Congrats to Rahman. But to call him as musical God or music guru is an insult to Music. Limited in music knowledge. Good in mixing tunes composed by other music people. Great in hype.
Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Guru on Jan 13, 2009 03:15 PM
Never thought ARR would have such pathetic and jealous haters. He is such a sweet, simple and humble person. He has achieved so many things which other composers have not been able to. He has proved his talent and versatility in his first movie itself, being the only music composer to win a national award on debut.
And, after that he has proved n number of times that his talent is not ordinary. He doesn't have to prove anything else to morons like you.
Just getting nominated in Golden Globe itself is a big achievement, but winning it by competing with some of the great musicians like Alexandre Desplat and Hans Zimmer is not a mere task.
The great man on his acceptance speech said that this is for 100 billion indians. And as an Indian, as a ARR fan, every Indian have to be proud of him and his achievement, and pray for him for the oscars. All ARR fans, lets celebrate this great man, and let these pathetic jealous losers be cribbing about the acidity in their tummies.
Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 03:28 PM
Nobody is jealous of ARR and true music lovers have no reason to be jealous of him.I repeat ARR is an hyped music director.
Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by India on Jan 13, 2009 02:59 PM
I have to agree with Mahesh. A R Rahman is overrated. Rahman does copy others. He does it in a subtle way. Rahman is no musical genius.
Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:34 PM
Even without that our country never had any image in the last 20 years.Our country's image went for a six when we have corrupt politicians and criminals as politicians. Entire world kones that. That too in intyernet age. So your commenst is just irrelevant.
Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 03:19 PM
Thats perfetly said Mahesh. ARR has a world class studio in chennai where he excels in all sorts of complex mixing. IR extrats life from the musical instruments and its very pure.
Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Krish on Jan 13, 2009 02:44 PM
U mor0n... What do you know about music? Am sure you are a fan of Anu malik or some filth music director...
Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:50 PM
So soon u come to the judgement that I am a fan of Anumalik. I am fan of the follwing please note. 1. Naushad 2. S.D.Burman 3. R.D.Burman 4. Illayaraja 5. M.S. Viswanathan 6.Shankar Jaikishen 7. Devarajan. 8.Raveendran 9.Hemant Kumar 10.G.K. Venkatesh. 11.Beethoven I am sure you harldy know any of the music directors i have mentioned. This is ur knowledge in music. One word about Anu Malik. The biggest virus in music world is Anu Malik. You got it.
Re: Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Truth Teller on Jan 13, 2009 03:00 PM
Go get a life. Since yesterday all that you seem to be doing is going to the news related to ARR and posting such messages. Just shows how important it is to you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 03:03 PM
This shows I hate hype and praise real talent. I am not against ARR. I am against media for making ARR as genious and some blind followers like you. Will you call our polticians as Saviuor of India or our NSG commandos or Army? Think a while
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by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 03:22 PM
This also shows that Truth teller has been screwing around al the ARR related news and given the depth in the arguments posted, he could not make rational replies and hence posting empt messages like these
Re: Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by rahul rahul on Jan 13, 2009 04:25 PM
And Mahesh thinks IR and Viswanathan has not copied anything? The knowledge of western instruments descended upon them? They copied from the western discs at that period. You wouldnt know.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 05:11 PM
To be very honest really honest everybody knows that IR and MSV have used wetsren tunes that was already there. They took it as an inspiration. This was told by IR itself. It is not a copy or cut and copy paste like ARR. All music directors across the word will listen to other music and try to build up or use it when needed. Even some western music directors have copied some tunes from the Indian musicians. RD has requested IR to give his tunes for 2-3 songs and vice versa. But the point is that is not their only job. It could have been 5-10 songs or may be 20 sings in their life time. What happened to other thousnads of songs. All can't be copied right!
Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Raj on Jan 13, 2009 02:55 PM
Mahesh, Pity on your knowledge and comment. You seem to be a third rate Anu Malik fan... Rehman is obliviously a music genius.
Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:57 PM
I called Anumalik as the virus in the music world. Hope u didn't see my message. Please read it. Rehman is not a geniuos. He is noit crossed schooling yet.
Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:52 PM
Himesh is a noise creator not a music director. ARR is hyped as a Great music director. He is just an average to above average. Still needs to work a lot.
Re: Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Shivashankar Pillai on Jan 13, 2009 04:26 PM
I-know-all-quote-facts-statistics-names-and-claim-to-fame-creature, r u getting jealour of ARR just b'coz he won a golden globe and u r frustated as u know more names of musicians than him yet r a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 03:50 PM
The problem with some people here is when I say ARR is an over-rated Music director they bring patriotism and starts judging me as if I am a Pakistani. Firstly a person msut knwo when to bring patriotism. Secondly when I debated ARR I compared him with other music directors of Indian origin only and no pakistani. When people run out of ideas to defend they always deviate out of the box. So emotions fill their mind and logic fades away. I am still in the music chapter only. Let is talk about patriotism in a separete heading. Where I can take on politicians who practice vote bank politics
Re: Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Shivashankar Pillai on Jan 13, 2009 04:08 PM
Mahesh - u do seem to be very interested and fond of music and going by the list u do have a sound knowledge about music and its exponents. But why are u hell bent on casting rahman as an average musician. A musician is a musician, forget the likes of Anu Maliks and Himesh. Rahman understands music like no one else and no like no one else ever has. IR sir is definetely one of the finest, but do u think anyone cud have made Daler Mehndi sound more punjabi in Rang De Basanti, or clubbed Hariharan and Kailash Kher (both with extreme tempos!) with Udit Narayan and himself so beatifully as in Swadesh. The list is endless, but the point is he understands music (without boundaries) fantastically better than anyone else.Slumdog Millionaire for eg, Maiyya Maiyya (Guru, u get that egyptian tunes)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congrats to Rahman but ....
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 04:23 PM
Dear Shivashankar, Thank for ur comments. I am not trying to disgrace ARR. He is simply not in the list of legends atleast currently. Will you call Suresh Raina as a great batsman infact more greater than Sachin or Lara? But surely Raina has talent. To become a legend talent must be harnessed. Talent is a pre-requitse to be anything in any profession. But to be a legend some traits are either in the form of zero or one. i.e either you have it or you don't have it. Creativity is the key in art profession. Hard work is the key in career. Loyalty is the key for a politician(barring India). A man is born to be a legend.
Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by meenu on Jan 13, 2009 02:34 PM
just because rahman played Key Board for raja doesnt mean... illayaraja sir taught him music.... there were soooooooo many many musians working for illayraja..... Wonder how many ever got recognised...
Rahman has earned whatever he is today with shear talent and dedication to music... And he deserves more.. :) Try to appreciate msuic... Dont start off again....
Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by manishauraval on Jan 13, 2009 02:40 PM
This kind of movies need to be banned which show only filthy small part of India . It will only spoil our country's image . BAN the MOVIE
Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:38 PM
History of ARR entry's to movie as music director is because of Mani ratnam, K.Balachander. This is because IR had some misunderstanding with Mani and K.B. ARR was picked and they picked him because ARR knows how to play keyboard and he plays nicely too. So to say Rahman has earned whatever he is today becoz of sheer talent is utter false and totally a misnomer. Just hype. He may have acquired certain skills no doubt but to equate him with legends is an insult to Music.
Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Shivashankar Pillai on Jan 13, 2009 04:27 PM
I-know-all-quote-facts-statistics-names-and-claim-to-fame-creature, r u getting jealour of ARR just b'coz he won a golden globe and u r frustated as u know more names of musicians than him yet r a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:41 PM
By the way I am not discounting that ARR is useless or hopeless. I will be first man to be happy if he really scores music well. e has done it fo very few songs that is actually countable. But he has to learn the basics of music. Not just playing key board is real talent. You should know the raagas or orchestra or the base of violin and flute. Rahman just mixes these instruments played by great musical pandits.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Shivashankar Pillai on Jan 13, 2009 04:27 PM
I-know-all-quote-facts-statistics-names-and-claim-to-fame-creature, r u getting jealour of ARR just b'coz he won a golden globe and u r frustated as u know more names of musicians than him yet r a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 02:22 PM
ARR is still a kid in front of ilayaraja who has achieved numerous milestones with his mesmerizing music. Getting an award from the white men doesnt make him the best in india. He is yet to go ahead of ilayaraja
Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by KESAVAN RAMACHANDRAN on Jan 13, 2009 02:28 PM
no one said rahman is better than x or y.what the entire nation is celebrating is an indian's victory in the golden globe hustings and as a fellow indian you should be proud as well,instead of singing paeans to ilaiyaraj.how can u take a man's achievement from him?isnt it true that ar rahman has brideged the north-south divide and now the east-west divide as well.listen to ilaiyarajaa's scores in one of the few hindi movies he scored for.you will get a haunting feeling of disjointedness.he never knew how to adjust his music in keeping with a certain region's own music.it was all uniform all the time.
Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by KESAVAN RAMACHANDRAN on Jan 13, 2009 02:25 PM
you must be jealous.doe sthat very fact not render his victory even more poetic and poignant. he is the real "underdog millionaire".boo to THE OVER-RATED ilaiyarajaa.
Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:35 PM
Dear Kesavan, Your are harldy listening to any music. I mean you appreciate noise as music. So you can't understand the essence of music.
Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 02:35 PM
Refresh your music knowledge and then talk. "OVER-RATED Ilayaraja" - give me a break. IR has far superior carnatic knowledge. And what is that stupid disjointness funda here. Music has no language. If you sense south indian style in ilayaraja's songs in hindi and call it disjointness that exposes the narrow mindedness of his hindi audience. A true music lover should be able to connect to any form of music inlcuding folk. BTW, i am not taking away any credit from ARR. He is a genius. Its just that i rate ilayaraja above ARR
Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by upekshit hai on Jan 13, 2009 02:43 PM
who cares?..There were better composers than IR.like SD burman,madan mohan, RD burman..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 02:54 PM
I am pretty sure you neither know IR nor listened to his music. Keep aside your bollywood chauvinism and listen to his albums from 1977 - present and then if you think you have sufficient music knowledge make a comparison to burman, madan mohan. I know its a difficult ask from a northies who hardly have a deep sense of music. All you ppl do is listen to lyrics and say the song is good.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:46 PM
Burmans and IR and Salil all are in same category. Music has no language. It's unfortunate that people like you hardly listen to tamil or malayalam or telugu songs. A real music lover should appreciate any music where there is fragrance and essence.
Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Raj Kumar on Jan 13, 2009 02:55 PM
I agree with Bloodhound... Music is Music.. which does not have fenace like language,region, etc.. So, The Journey and Experience of Illayaraaja in the music field is long compare to ARR(he might reach fast).. BUT MY QUESTION IS WHEN ILLAYARAAJA SCORED SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA IN LONDON(HE IS FIRST ASIAN WHO DID THAT) NONE OF INDIAN BOTHERED ABOUT IT.. WHY?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 03:05 PM
All that this media focusses on is who gets what award and whats the weith of that award. If its a white man's award a higher weight is given. I am pretty sure there are no solid journlists who can do a careful assessment of the talent possessed by other music director greats and present a fair report.
Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 02:43 PM
IR and Salil chowdhry are beyond regionlism, religion. Their quality are matchless
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by k prabu on Jan 13, 2009 03:27 PM
Cheer up guys.......some ppl understand music and devote their life to it. Couple of you are like that, i can understand the feelings none of our earlier famous music directors could hit the chord with Westners, but ARR did. So, appreciate him. I was a great fan of Ilayaraja and now a good fan of ARR. Touch your heart and say that you ppl didn't humm any of the the chartbusters of ARR. The article is about an Indian achieving a milestone which was eluding for such a long time. Its time to celebrate and not to criticize anybody.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by Mahesh on Jan 13, 2009 03:56 PM
You asked some to touch their heart and say whether have hummed few ARR chartbusters. I start from saying that I have hummed ARR's Roja-2 songs, Rangeela-3 songs and few tamil movies. Now coming to the point I am not critizing ARR. But I am saying that he is over-rated Music director.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahman should thank Ilayaraaja
by vijay sankar on Jan 13, 2009 03:09 PM
Ilayaraja is the best music directer than any other music director
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by mohamed hashim on Jan 13, 2009 05:19 PM
Cmon guys, Its a matter of prestidge for us that Rahman has bagged this award...we gotta be proud of it...who gives a f_ u_ c_ k_ about any Mahesh or any one....in fact we would have been happy even if illaiyaraja or someone else north or south got the golden globe....so just relax and enjoi
I on behalf of 125 crores indian people salutes AR Rahman on winning golden globe award. The reason to salute is not just because he has won the award but also for his speech in which he thanked billion people of india on international stage. No indian actor or celebrity has done this before. I am sure one day he will bring oscar to india.
Re: Salute to AR Rahman
by manishauraval on Jan 13, 2009 02:31 PM
This kind of movies need to be banned which show only filthy small part of India . It will only spoil our country's image . BAN the MOVIE
Re: Re: Re: Salute to AR Rahman
by manishauraval on Jan 13, 2009 02:47 PM
That does not give you right to advertise and appreciate ugly facts! Dont advertise Ugly facts and clap for it. We do shitting in private and not in public !
I have seen the movie & i liked it. This movie is very different as it shows that how a uneducated child becomes millionaire. The moral of the story is if you have attitude to live life you can achieve what you want.
Re: Must watch Movie
by manishauraval on Jan 13, 2009 02:48 PM
This kind of movies need to be banned which show only filthy small part of India . It will only spoil our country's image . BAN the MOVIE
its a nice movie without doubt. But so was taare zameen par or rang de basanti.In many ways even better. SDM is typicall 70's movie repackaged hollywood istyle.I would tale TZP anyday or any mani ratnam movie.Rahman scored better music in other movies too and I think he knows it.Sad white people understand movies when its their way only.Indians would have chosen TZP over this.
Re: Why this hooplah
by manishauraval on Jan 13, 2009 02:50 PM
This kind of movies need to be banned which show only filthy small part of India . It will only spoil our country's image . BAN the MOVIE
Tamil being the oldest living language people of Tamil origin are very proud.With a President like Kalam, With a Chess Player like Anamd, with a musician like Rehman etc. etc. I am reminded of Poet Bharati saying and I quote ' Tamilan enru sollada Thalai Nimirnthu Nillada' meaning Call yourself a Tamilan and walk with your head high. Tamils appreciate others but have self-respect and will not compromise
Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by Raj on Jan 13, 2009 03:00 PM
Hey folks, when somebody makes India proud why do you want bring regionalism/state/language in it. ARR is basically a malayalee, even Kamal Hassan, though they acclaimed their fame in Tamil Nadu.
Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by Deepak Kumar on Jan 13, 2009 06:33 PM
Raj..who told you ARR and Kamalhassan are malayalee..both are pure tamilians. Kamalhassan is from paramagudi(TN) and ARR(Dilip) is from Chennai.
Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by blue wrox on Jan 13, 2009 01:43 PM
I am tamil and I know why idiots like u post these, so that some idiots would respond antagonistically and you retort.Tamils are like any other people.If there is bharati, there are cheopos like karunanidhi.Kalam and anand are good.So what?? tamilnadu is the most corrupt state, ask the CEC.Its unclean and run by goondas.As things stand" Thanlai kunithu nikaren". People ignore idiots like these.Parochial cheopos.Tamil, my foot.
Re: Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by KESAVAN RAMACHANDRAN on Jan 13, 2009 02:31 PM
WELL SAID BLUE WROX.I ENDORSE UR VIEWS AS A FELOW TAMILIAN.BUT I AM AN INDIAN FIRST.THE POLITICAL CLOWNS ARE ACTUALL PREVENTING THE INNOCENT CITIZENS OF TAMILNADU FROM FURTHER DEVELOPMENT BY HARPING ON THIS LANGUAGE ISSUE.ONE SHOULD LEARN MORE LANGUAGES TO BE ABREAST IN TIME.
Re: Re: Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by k prabu on Jan 13, 2009 03:36 PM
I too endorse the views of blue wrox & kesavan.......i'm a telagite but born & brought up in Tamil Nadu. I know to speak & write Tamil but not Telugu. Nowadayz I see lot of hatred between south and north and its pity to see that we Indians indulge in such mudslinging activities by pulling our own citizens. Every state has its own share of corrupt politicians and citizens. While i'm happy for ARR, Kalam & Anand, but i'm also equally happy for Dhoni, Sachin, Naryanamurthy and the list goes on.....
Re: Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by Michael on Jan 13, 2009 02:15 PM
Tamilnadu is the most corrupt state in India?? Ok.. India today named TamilNadu the second best admisnistered state in India next only to Punjab.Tamils are like every other people in the world.. i agree.. but tht shldn't stop us feelin proud to be a tamil.. The "idiot" who responded antagonistically to vsgiri's comment is you..
Re: Re: Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by Krishna vm on Jan 13, 2009 02:23 PM
Dear Mr. Michael and Blue Wrox, this is not the forum for mud-slinging. Let's just enjoy this moment folks. Keep in mind that there are lot of sharks out there waiting to take advantage of our differences in opinion and we mustn't let them win.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamilan or Tamizhan Produces The Best
by BloodHound on Jan 13, 2009 02:56 PM
The very purpose of the forum is to indulge in healthy arguments not altercations. You expect readers to see ubiquitous comments like these "ARR is the god. u made us all proud..bla bla bla" ???
I saw this move over the weekend ( in UK ). Quite honestly, whilst it did touch a few chords , I didn't find the exporieince exhiliriating something that I felt , for example, when I saw Taare Zameen Par. The movie cannot be described as boring but certainly I see absolutely NO reason for it to have won Golden Globe awards. It is clear to me now that the tag does matter. If the same movie would have been directed by an Indian director and Indian producers then I am sure no one in the western media would have even noticed it. Actually for the the western folks, seeing abject poverty such as in India is very 'novel'. It gives them kicks like the ones you get when watching a horror film. So it was all very exciting for them . For myself , as an Mumbaikar, who has watched this first hand, drew no such pleasure.
