"The moderate Muslim, who is in an overwhelming majority I am certain" - do read about islam to know about the myth of the moderate muslim. In India, yes, we do have moderate muslims due to the influence of hinduism but even here, Indians have a secret longing for an arab like nation / pakistan. . "when Muslims are usually accused of engineering terrorist plots in India." Mr SSSS, how do you think these plots succeed without insider help? I wonder where you studied journalism from. . Overall, your emotional article on a non-issue is completely devoid of senses. . Even if SRK was not portraying himself in the movie, you make it seem like he has by injecting meanings that may not be there.
I am not as angered by this stupid portrayal by SRK (the film may be good) as by the stupid rants of this idiot SSSS. . I think SSSS should read the quran and the site faithfreedom.org to know more about islam before writing good about this insensitive religion and its stupid followers in India who always take rejection personally and religiously.
RE:To do list
by SURAJ BHARADWAJ on Aug 14, 2007 10:47 AM
This is sick .Who are we to give them a to do list.They dont have to prove apoint.Whether it is a muslim or a hindu if he is a traitor then he is.Similarly a shahrukh, a zaheer, a kumble , a hrithik are great ppl in the field irrespective of their religious upbringing.Stop having fears.Im sure for every fake muslim terrorist there are umpteen nos making the sacrifice both in the army and in civil life being doubted as a fallout of their unwanted religious fools who prat islam that way
RE:To do list
by Mohammed Mohiuddin on Aug 14, 2007 07:08 AM
1. Muslims do feel bad when temples r destroyed & a real Muslim would never support terrorism. 2. Many Muslims were taken 2 Pakistani jails while they were fishing near Pakistani border. 3. Muslims do join da army. My grandfather was an airforce pilot. 4. Muslims ask 4 mosques but don't deny da Hindu's ryts. 5.Uniform civil code can't exist coz every1 has his own feeling of wear. Go & tell a Sardar 2 shave his beard, remove his turban, cut his hair & remove his bangle. Then luk wat da Sardar will do 2 u. U won't come back in 1 piece. 6. Peace is da necessity. Harmony is da necessity. Secularism is da necessity. Tolerance is da necessity.
RE:To do list
by Sam on Aug 14, 2007 07:44 AM
Thanks everyone for replying. Please try to understand that is we do not DISCUSS, the problems will not go away. So, please use your descrition before reporting a message as 'abuse'. Thanks everyone!!!
RE:To do list
by noonkaaf on Aug 14, 2007 08:03 AM
discussion is a gud thing but if done with open mind and open heart. The problem with "the educated Hindus" is that they are still under the slavery of GORAs and they call muslims terrorists but they can not utter a single world against US or UK and they know it very well that who is the real terrorist. Being a true and educated Muslim, I condemn all the activities of Muslims that kill innocent people. But I request my hindu brothers to think about the atrocities of US in Iraq, afghan, lebanon, palestine etc etc. Please dont see only one side of the coin.
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by Atul Grover on Aug 14, 2007 08:29 AM
No one blindly supports US in India. India rather runs on emotions than anything else, and thus Indians criticise every drop of blood that falls on earth, whomsoever's it is. And for the same logic, Indians condemn every ghastly act of terrorism that occurs within our boundries or beyond. The real problem is that Islam in mainland Asia has gone back 180 degrees in time. The earlier threads that claim 'knowing history' should agree Islam was much more broad minded, modern and tolerant a few centuries ago, and it reached its peak in India's pre-partition period (I am talking global prespective). Unfortuntely, as Asian countries gained their independence, more and more of them turned into 'Islamic nations', enforcing sharia, etc. modelling Saudi Arabia so much so that preferred to forget the value of their local culture and heritage. And that triggered their fall. Now look at Iran of 'pre-Islamic' days or Turkey for that matter. Even in India, MUslims in Rajasthan for example used to tie the colored turban on their hands, that amalgamated them well with the others in the local populationa dn also saved them from heat strokes. Emergence of hardliner islamled them wear their headger (which I don't know what they call), the result is that when now you walk on the road, you tend to think that a turban-wearer is a non muslim and the one who has replaced it is a muslim. WHile they have adapted well to the requirements of their faith, they have been rendered unsuitable to the local c
RE:To do list
by Sam on Aug 14, 2007 08:12 AM
fair enough.
I can understand the plight of muslims in Iran,afghan, etc. but you need to understand that hindus do not exist in those countries and hence they cannot do anything about it. I do know that they do feel form the people there. Also, hindus are not slaves of Goras, and they do protest the wars going on out there.
RE:To do list
by noonkaaf on Aug 14, 2007 06:33 AM
1. If you are an educated person and keep a watch on the news yoy must know that every muslim condemns all terrorist attacks. 2. when this happened ? Do you think Pakistan will release a person if the muslims take out jaloos ? 3. Ask your recruitors whether muslims are given a fair play ? 4. We can ask for our mosques but we would never ask govt not to give any grant to temples. This allegation is ridiculous. 5. Better you read the history. Dont get carried away by your pseudo nationalism. 6. Actually the problem here is with Hindus. You are still under inferiority complex and this is only ur frustration that make you write all this.
And for ur kind information, we dont care for what you people think, We know that we are as much Indian as you are.
RE:To do list
by Injun Abhi on Aug 14, 2007 07:07 AM
No Sam, the reply was correct. I am a Hindu but I want to know why you think Muslims should take out a protest march when terrorists bomb temples .. just to please Hindus? Please remember that terrorists have no religion, terrorists are not real muslims. Jihad is just an excuse for terror.
RE:To do list
by Kaushik Das on Aug 14, 2007 07:04 AM
oy, when was the last terror attack condemned by muslims, eh? telling lies openly? . pakis may not release a person if muslims take a procession out but why jaloos for afzal guru, then??? Why should he be released? . Yes, for all purposes, muslims who are loyal to India are given fair play (I have muslim friends in the forces). However, it seems that you want the whole army to be muslim just because they are muslim. By the way, ask the army rejected non-muslims if they think there was fair play in their rejection. Only they don't take it on religion like you guys. . You should not ask for mosques either because that is OUR tax money. . History has shown muslims to be oppressors and traitors - attackers and rapists. What history are you referring to here? . Pseudo nationalism consists of living in India and luxuriating on OUR tax money and then silently willing that pakis defeat India in cricket and war. . It is our tolerance that has kept us from using your methods on you. It is YOUR inferiority complex that makes you take up arabic names and pray in arabic ways, in arabic, and try to force an arabic lifestyle on yourself just because some guy in 6th century arabia talked about unification of arabs and achieved a little bit of it by killing and betraying others, especially jews.
RE:To do list
by Naveed Khan on Aug 14, 2007 07:29 AM
We dont want whole army to be muslim but at least 13% ( population percentage) should be there. rt ? Yes Only you people pay the etax, rt ? History ?? History written by RSS who claims Siva ji to be great ? Read Internation History..read about Mohammed, abu bakar, Omar, ali, Osman, khalid bin walid, Aurangzeb. Again you are taking about the TAX paid by you only. "some guy in 6th century arabia talked about unification of arabs and achieved a little bit of it" This point describes the state of ut mind to the best. but FYKI that little bit is second largest population in the world and the fastest growing religion.
RE:To do list
by parag kulkarni on Aug 14, 2007 10:10 AM
i think u r sick . U can't spell the name right, its Shivaji and not siva ji. U r afraid m. i ahte all the muslims in india. they should be kicked out of this country. Jain hind Mera HINDUSTAN mahan
RE:To do list
by Sam on Aug 14, 2007 07:56 AM
some clarifications!!
well, I am not a fan of Aurangzeb, as he is infamous for slaughter and destruction.
When Kaushik said OUR tax, he includes all indians. His point of view is that if OUR taxes are not used for building temples, then why should be used for Mosques either?? Thats logical. Taxes must be used for education, power, infrastructure etc. that benifits all, and not be used for some structure that benefits a certain religion only.
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by noonkaaf on Aug 14, 2007 08:08 AM
You have studies only Indian history books. Please read any book on Aurangzeb written by any foreign author ( not necessarily a muslim). u history books you know have made even savarkar a hero. And no govt has given any grant to mosques or madarsas and these are run by donations only. And if any body has asked for it, he is wrong.
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by SURAJ BHARADWAJ on Aug 14, 2007 10:51 AM
i will never agree with a foreign author .It is well known how many south indian and north indian temples aurangzeb has destroyed.As regards donations the government provides subsidy for mecca visits.Still that doesnt make any muslim wrong.Either ways a lot of muslims in India were converteed by force just a lot of christians were.But in today's scoiety as long as u r doing good for the society and for India religion should be the last thing on any mind and a person's religion should never be questioned as long as the guy is good.
RE:To do list
by mohan on Aug 14, 2007 07:07 AM
Mr. Noon, No one says you are not Indians.But you guys are still viewed as traitors.The two are different things. 1. Check the people charged in 93 bomb blasts(or local train blast (or any blasts for that matter)in INDIA.Which religion they belong to. Babri Masjid was destroyed in Ayodhya (which was also 100 % wrong), but what was the need to retaliate by bombing Mumbai.Did you ask this question to your community member any time ?? ??Please reply. 2. Azhar was made the cricket team captain.He was implicated along with Jadeja and Ajay Sharma in match-fixing(Hindus).Infact Jadeja suffered the most as he was at a prime age.Azhar was already past his prime.Still Azhar cried saying "minority" issue.Do you think Azhar was correct ?Please reply. 3. FYI, you are not the only "minority" in India. Sikhs, Christians etc etc lots of other religious or sects are in India. They are never looked with suspicion like you guys.Do you agree that you also share some of the blame for this feeling or is the fault 100% with other believers/religions.?Your comments 4. Put your hand in your heart and say that you have never seen/nor heard any Indian Muslim supporting Pakistan during cricket matches.I will believe what you say because I have some great Indian Muslim friends andI know they never lie.
SRK is a typical Muslim-propogating his religion thru his film and all these readers who have been commenting on him and supporting him are the whimps.Today Hinduism has been trampled upon for precisely this reason.The bully Muslim versus the wimpy Hindu.That's our problem,we are weak.And when someone points out to our weakness we want to muzzle that opinion.We cant bear to hear the truth.In our history these bully Muslims attacked our country,trampled upon our faith and abducted our women.Makes me wonder-these wimpy Hindus,did they wait for their women to be abducted or did they hand the women to these Muslims themselves?C'mon Hindus-wake up-become strong-smell the coffee....aMuslim is a muslim is a muslim.....they cant help it-it's their very basic ideology which is to blame....boycott the likes of SRK.....he's no Indian....an actor who refuses to star in any film which is anti-Pakistan,he's a traitor.....why support traitors?
RE:Shahrukh Khan
by Mohammed Mohiuddin on Aug 14, 2007 07:01 AM
This is INDIA! You live as a free man irrespective of ur religion. It is ppl lyk u hu spread hatred among 2 groups. There shouldn't b ne groups. We all r 1 & all r equal. The Constitution has given us da ryt 2 choose our religion & follow it but not 2 arouse hatred among men. Even Pakistanis r humans lyk us. They live on da same earth. BTW...SRK has his own small temple in his house & he has married A Hindu gal. Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Isai, v all r sons of India & v all must respect eachother & live wid harmony.
RE:Shahrukh Khan
by Atul Grover on Aug 14, 2007 08:31 AM
A fool in a party is safe only as long as he does not open his mouth. ANd that's the case with you. HAd you cared to look into the background and statesmanship of Shahrukh, you would not have said so.
RE:Shahrukh Khan
by zind on Aug 14, 2007 06:30 AM
I will not be so harsh on shahhrukh khan like you have mentioned. I guess he is trying his best to be neutral. But I did get the similar opinion when I watched Main Hoon Naa. That was a stupid plot. Showing pakistanis as do gooders and A mad hindu officer trying to scuttle the peace process between india and pakistan. I really don't have any idea how he went on with this....
This article is about , how sensitive the people opinion can swign either your way or drastically opposite way , if a popular actor tries to ponder to religion or plays like a common man. Specially when it comes to acto being muslim.
Here talking about SK acting as Muslim.
Everything boils down to box-office and being sensitive to huge fan-base SK has. It does not make business sense to risk loosing millions of rupees by beiong insensitive to fan base.
it does not matter if the fan base is correct or not, the job of moving making business is to be sensitive to fan base and make few bucks ( millions !! ) at the end of day.
This article correctly higlights the things that have being done in right way to appeal to the fan base and make money .
With Chak De, Shah Rukh has delivered yet another powerful movie with a social message. In this he has moved away from his usual bollywood masala roles and done something different. Hats off to him for trying a different role once again. If you want to see pictures of Shah Rukh Khan's house check this out.. http://spal.blogspot.com/
Sai, that was a beautiful piece. As I watched Chak de! yesterday (coincidentally with Pakistani Mohajirs), this is exactly what I was thinking of.
I turned to look at them when the 'in logon ko Partition ke waqt pe Pakistan chala jaana chahiye tha' was spoken. I imagine I saw shock on their face. I also wondered whether they were glad to have left at the time of partition. If this is the way we treat Indian muslims (and looking at this message board, I wouldn't really think otherwise either), I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
As for the Muslim-baiting neanderthals on the board, especially some of you who seem to be prescribing citizenship duties for the Muslims, why don't you do the same thing you want the Muslims to do?
RE:RE:That was a brilliant piece
by ritunesh maurya on Aug 14, 2007 06:32 AM
what we are not doing Mr Warrier? We are planting bumbs to temples and supporting persons involved in the killing or innocents? We ever used to call saudi as humara ( so many times i saw my muslim friends calling humare arab me) ager arab hi app ka hai to janab india me kya kar rahe hai???? let me tell you one thing, the respect and rights they used to get in india is much more than those muhajir, who went to pakistan after the partision.
