Re: Quality not Quantity?
by YASHDEEP on Mar 05, 2011 12:21 AM
Thoudam Singh : I think you never been to USA thats why you are saying that 100 indian = 1 american American Donot work at all ; i am working in Pfizer ny 10000 american = half indian
Re: Re: Quality not Quantity?
by sushrut arora on Mar 05, 2011 12:24 AM
Thats the point YASHDEEP. Most of the people writing against India here are actually who never ever worked outside India!
Re: Re: Quality not Quantity?
by rajendra K on Mar 05, 2011 05:26 AM
What are the Products of Pfizer? How much is the Indian Contribution that? Even how many appilcations you are using that are Inidan
Re: Quality not Quantity?
by sushrut arora on Mar 05, 2011 12:13 AM
That is very out of the world comment! I am amazed at your ignorance. Indians are much more hardworking and nobody can just doubt it. The confusing part is that they need not to work so hard in most governmental Indian jobs and thats some people might get wrong idea.
Re: Quality not Quantity?
by Sanjay Srivastava on Mar 04, 2011 11:52 PM
This is totally false information. I live in America and manage American and Indian workers. I find Indian workers more loyal, efficient, hardworking and respectful as compared to their American counterparts. So please don't spread false information just for the sake of bashing anything "Indian".
Re: Indians Work Hard But Not Smart
by sushrut arora on Mar 05, 2011 12:15 AM
All these things are only in Government jobs guys, look towards the people working in MNCs as well....
Re: Indians Work Hard But Not Smart
by Sunil M on Mar 04, 2011 11:35 PM
Indian mix work with a lot of chatting around, take too many breaks (if in IT, spend time browsing) etc in office and sometimes hardly do anything productive, but call it a "working day". So the survey is flawed when it comes to India at least.
Re: Indians Work Hard But Not Smart
by sushrut arora on Mar 05, 2011 12:22 AM
They have lots of chatting sessions in here as well in Europe. 3-5 coffees a day minimum, I have seen people sleeping in office....but yet survey is flawed....OMG...its this attitude of people that is killing India. Come on guys get up...please
Re: Re: Indians Work Hard But Not Smart
by Krishna on Mar 05, 2011 06:24 AM
We need good leaders which we do not have in India. Yes people are working. But where are the results? In India most of govt. labs people are working hard, but there is no strong will power, integrity and mainly conviction. That is why we follow the approach "we too are in the race" in R&D. The same people who join MNCs institutes outside India excel in their work. So what we require is honest admin. But if you see around there is lot of sycophants (the culture grooms them and they becomes masters in 5-10 years and dictate/decide the culture later) and hypocrisy. But one thing is true. India is God's own country. That is why we are still surviving and our average life and much better and peaceful compared to African and European countries
Re: Indians really work hard
by Ashish Kumar on Mar 04, 2011 10:55 PM
True. If only India's wealth was not allowed to be siphoned out and stashed away abroad, India would have been one of the richest too.
Re: The world's 15 most hardworking nations
by sushrut arora on Mar 05, 2011 12:20 AM
I wonder if these people making these negative comments on India ever worked in any other country? I see a lot of people spending lots of time in office and not doing any work out here in Europe as well! Its just we know ourself we think its easy to blame ourself. Besides we think that we are so intelligent to challenge the people conducting such surveys just because we like to show our nation as bad, just to show our own frustration.................
Re: The world's 15 most hardworking nations
by Vikas Singhal on Mar 04, 2011 10:34 PM
But staying out of office definitely means NOT working. So whats your point?
Re: Can you change the shoddy picture of call center for india!!
by Vikas Singhal on Mar 04, 2011 10:35 PM
Ha Ha .. Totally agree...Even the monitors are old CRTs...good point Ankur..
Hard work or Hardly work...consultants must observe our government offices before publishing this. Also 13000 people in various country is nothing...Indias population alone is...over a billion.
The chief parameter of consideration seems to be the NUMBER of WORK HOURS per YEAR which may well give a not so TRUE picture of THE REAL OUTPUT.
"It is not the number of hours one puts in work but the quantum of work one puts in an hour." This will only effectively decide the output.
Just walk into a workplace here and see/observe for oneself how many read newspapers/give comments in a forum like this as I do now/discuss burning general issues unrelated to the work in question and so on; on; on; and on.
By the by, I made this observation only to kindle the research methodology perspective among my friends here and take home some good views to the contrary/or for in relation to the topic.
The chief parameter of consideration seems to be the NUMBER of WORK HOURS per YEAR which may well give a not so TRUE picture of THE REAL OUTPUT.
"It is not the number of hours one puts in work but the quantum of work one puts in an hour." This will only effectively decide the output.
Just walk into a workplace here and see/observe for oneself how many read newspapers/give comments in a forum like this as I do now/discuss burning general issues unrelated to the work in question and so on; on; on; and on.
By the by, I made this observation only to kindle the research methodology perspective among my friends here and take home some good views to the contrary/or for in relation to the topic.
It is not number game .what do these guys do after they reach the offices .As an Industrial Engineer Almost every Industry I have seen over 40 years there is always surplus manpower any where above 30% .most of Indian Managers think Manpower is panesia for all problems .Some manager feel large team gives them security .Most are Empire builders. When it comes to work force we hardly get effective working of 4 hours in a shift of 8 and half hours .Industrial Engineering has died because of both management and unions .There is hardly any systematic study of manpower requirements .Plus the quality of people is poor with all reservations and Private institutes -Mints , the situation is alarming but who cares .
Re: JUST DON'T
by Bhumika Chowdary on Mar 04, 2011 06:58 PM
The traditional components of Industrial Engg like, Work Study, Time and Motion Study, Manpower planning, Human Factors Enng and others have taken a different form since the advent of sophisticated Computer-based analysis techniques making work automatic, easier, quicker and even with less Quality defects. Same is the case in Design too. This is the kind of TRANSFORMATION that every discipline meets with the advancement and applicability of new technologies. The CORE , however, remains the same with differences in methodology, analysis, execution pattern and expectations.
Yet your observation is quite valid in as much as it can combine the organised and unorganised work-flow.
Re: Re: JUST DON'T
by srinivasamurthy a on Mar 04, 2011 10:39 PM
The traditional components are not outdated;but infact they’re buried in our country systematically for selfish ends.They form the foundation for computer software development to ease up workers job as well as improve production/technological issues.It’s a cycle.A civil engineer like me if I Think Since I got 80%( or say class topper,passed from premier institute etc etc etc ) and confine myself throughout life to designs only how can I know the ground realities to better my design capabilities.This involves sacrifising of glamourised offices,city life etc etc.To top it I will switchover to software devlopment(by orphnaing my civil domain) and join some software development/services company and does work related to a bank.And in that swanky environs I will be putting 12-14 hours work;whereas I will try to runaway when I’m doing field work propmtly or cursingly staying because lousiest management psychology.What a great misuse of personnel in our country!!! And can our country ever claim to be ranked among hardworking nations.Might be the people who conducted this survey might be such escapists and glamour obsessed individuals. We need a tough primemisnister to clear the muck among our so called pseudo intellectuals of our country. Because of few selfish elders the younger lot is being spoilt and misused.
