it is sad to see Mr Sibal showing inability to meet demands of IIT Professors. Technical research and educational institutes are the backbone of economy and development. If you need to invest in these at any cost, please do. Nothing is too costly when it comes to institutions like IIT ( may I also club in IISc and IIMs). Lot of people may argue that IIT is useless etc, but these are the only institutins in the country where scientific research goes on. So please Mr Sibal invest in these at any cost.
We need good research in this country, we need *quality* professors. We need PhDs for the progress of India. These are the nuggets of a society that create knowledge. If we do not have them we will keep using knowledge created by other countries and happily.
If you can not meet their demands, please treat them with respect. In United States professors get so much respect in the society. No wonder, US is a knowledge based economy. They do all the novel things in this world.
I am making an urgent plea, if we have to develop India, we need to put spending on IITs, IIScs and IIMs at par with our defense expenditure. Do we ever wonder, why does US has a stealth aircraft that can fly across the globe, bomb countries and be back to its base non-stop. While we in India have to beg others to give us a pie of it.
Oh God, investing in research educational institutions is so important. Somebody please drill sense into our govt.
Re: please wake up Mr Sibal
by gaurav on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM
its not a matter of getting emotional..sibal is right...i dont know whether you know or not but the prof's in these premier institute make lots of money by consultancy..some things you cant feel the importance unless you face the problem...defence expenditure is necessary...if there will be no army..we are gone..we sleep becoz of them..the kind of threat we feel from inside and outside terrorism is very high..and he is correct in saying that we can's compare with US..they are developed country...they can afford..even we will afford but not at this time...its more like a family...you grow slowly and slowly..you dont buy home car and everything in one year....he is correct in saying that if IIT want more money then they should earn and become autonomous..its not an emotional thing..be logical and try to analyse our place in world..we are DEVELOPING....not DEVLOPED
Re: please wake up Mr Sibal
by shounak ray on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM
I appreciate the concern you have raised-but honestly just think for a minute-is investing in Technical research just about increasing the pay of these demanding teachers, who anyway seek consulting opportunities and make a lot of money over and above the pay that the govt. has fixed for them. A typical faculty member isn't just entitled to the the salary that he/she receives from the govt., but also to so many other perks including a good home in the campus with 24 hour electricity and water supply, a flexibility to move beyond just teaching in the campus and seek consultancy opportunities(wherein they can actually make a fairly good amount). Honestly, is the issue actually about providing the IITs(and even the IIMs) greater autonomy and investing in the R&D activities or is it merely about giving in to the demands by the faculty for a better pay?.Think about it
Everybody seems to be obsessed with the cause of pay hike of IIT Professors, but kindly spare a thought for thousands of teachers of State govt owned and other AICTE recognized Engineering Colleges of the country for whom the MHRD or the AICTE has not announced any pay revision so far and none of the MHRD or AICTE official is ready to tell why such an ordinate delay is happening in the release of the 6th pay notification.
Re: Pay hike of State Engineering Colleges
by ashish sinha on Sep 25, 2009 06:31 AM
Dear Sanjay,
Please do not compare IIts with state engineering colleges. At the research level, state engg colleges are no match with IITs. Engineering institute does not merely mean giving degrees to students who have warmed benches for 4 years. It has another role, that of creating knowledge, and in this regard, I do not find state engg colleges anywhere near the mark.
Re: Pay hike of State Engineering Colleges
by AlphaQLanka on Sep 25, 2009 07:03 AM
You never understand the kind of work they do and the amount of effort they put unless otherwise you work with an IIT Prof. As they are the best among the best, they deserve much much more than what they ask for and it is not because they teach in IIT. It is because of what they do, how they do and what kind of output they give. You are comparing mountains with mud. When they have a toughest selection process for a Prof Position, they have the right to get the best. Promotion is also not based on experience and age, it is based on the research output, number of research publication and much more..
eVERY WHERE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR PROBATION IS THERE, INITIAL TESTING SHOULD BE THERE, SECONDLY IIT PROFESSORS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO CONSULTANCY ,THEN THE QUALITY PROFESSORS WILL SURVIVE , WITHOUT QUALITY WILL GO OUTOF THE STREAM ,
So these teaching professionals are threating the govt. by holding strikes for the increment of the salaries. Why should they get paid, when an ordinary teacher whose has trained the so called faculties of the IITians. For pay hike, one finds n-number of ways. Even to-day some of the teaching staff are paid low salaries inspite of their best efforts. A teacher is a teacher is a teacher in whichever institution one works. But he can't demand hike because he is teaching in IIT. What about the teachers in Govt sector doing about the salaries they get. Please wake up and start working at the earliest.
Re: Dismiss all IIT professors and Invest in share market.
by Proloy Coomar Pramanik on Sep 25, 2009 12:36 AM
Don't you think if you dismiss *after* hiking the salaries the savings to invest would be higher...?
Re: _A_good_textbook_
by Proloy Coomar Pramanik on Sep 25, 2009 12:39 AM
Yeah, but hunger strike by a thousand books cannot be worth the hunger strike of a single good faculty.
Should we also have contractual position for the ias babus and the ministers for one year wherein the public can assess them and recommend them for the next four years to all the luxuries that they enjoy ?
Re: one question mr. sibal ...
by Khairul Ansari on Sep 25, 2009 05:33 AM
Excellent idea, getting through civil service may probe that an individual is brilliant but does not guarantee that he will be a good administrator. There should be a buffer period for each of those kinds of positions. If the candidate can’t probe productive should not make him permanent. This kind of appraisal systems is sincerely followed in most of the private companies. That is why the private sectors always out perform the public one. For the ministers I have an idea for long time. The performance of the MLL/MPs should be judged every year by some kind of popular vote or localized referendum. If he fails to maintained people’s expectation his candidacy should be replaced with the candidate who scored second in last election. This away if the opposition party came out with higher number they should be allowed to replace the govt.
