Hilmesh bhai, You are absolutely correct and we indians should admit it....
We Indians have all the brains but will be of no use till we learn the basics of life :- 1) Respct for Human being and woman 2) Respect and fear of law 3) importance of time 4) Respect for other person's ideas/views,religion 5) Love for our country(patriotism) 6) Discipline 7) tendency to learn good things from others 8) tendency to appreciate good things
I agree India offers lot of natural resources(even ore than US/japan). I agree we have lots of brains but we should learn basic principles of life....If we learn them then we will be number 1.
Re: Fact
by raj arora on Mar 13, 2009 08:20 PM
One thing I dont get ,is no one wil wait for an old man or woman to cross the road instead they honk like animals in india and we say we a land of culture and wat bout people spittin from cars and littering like its their birth right ,eww
Re: Re: Fact
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:26 PM
I totally agree. I used to be one of those when I was in India. Then, when I came to USA, I changed.
Re: Re: Re: Fact
by AK on Mar 13, 2009 10:00 PM
this is your land and your country please dont wait for you to visit that you need to keep it good. Educate people around you if they litter or do things which your think is wrong. it starts from you. And then lets get together. I am still waiting for a political party floated by NRN/Abdul kalam n others they should move a higher level. If I want I cant no one will believe that I am sincere and wat to do good(not impossible but a level just too easy for these people to achieve). I hate when I read APJs speach about how india can be better. People like him at this stage are wasting their lifetime work n stature by debating and speaking but not acting. why not these leaders coming up and devloping a set of new leaders who want to compete with chest out to the world. . Please for heaven sake look forward what we need to compete in this world and also what makes us defiencient rather than boast hinduism or any other aspect of religion or cast/creed. America the most developed is coz it recognizes talent and not it sees your color/cast/creed(What you saw is there in india is there with Shiv sena or any other is no better example of racism than india like a north indian in M.H-as you mention as racism think again). 40% of companies in Cal/USA were started by indian/chinese which in turn created a economy of cal which stands at 7th in the world. Product you live with are not provided by America they are innovated by america but given to china to manufacutre and india to consume.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Fact
by AK on Mar 13, 2009 10:01 PM
Who wins?. thats what it is about. Human being is meant to innovate and advance. Indians in past 50 years are meant to adjust and not criticize just adjust. Please innovate take on the world. their is nothing good about being indian unless we better and reach the so called 1750 levels as someone pointed out. Infact look for your betterment and not proving someone down. Indian driving licence is not recognized anywhere(if you are not tourist) why? Coz your system is faulted your land and your country please dont wait for you to visit that you need to keep it good. Educate people around you if they litter or do things which your think is wrong. it starts from you. And then get together. I am still waiting for a political party floated by NRN/Abdul kalam n others they should move a higher level. If I want I cant no one will believe that I am sincere(Will take another company like infy to be floated) and wat to do good(not impossible but a level just below that). I hate when I read APJs speach about how india can be better. People like him at this stage are wasting their lifetime work n stature by debating and speaking but not acting. A individual can be with a leader but if the leader just achieves and reaches a level after which he is one more example to live on then we wont progress(It means we are loosing value but in no way means the value they have added though I salute them). Please for heaven sake look forward what we need to compete in this world and also what makes us
Re: Re: Fact
by Shankara R on Mar 13, 2009 08:33 PM
well said.. don't say it is not our culture.. please lear good behaviour and common sense. not doing goondagiri
Obama Treasury Secretary have't paid his Income tax from Last 3 years. Obama’s senate seat sold for $1million. Lehman Brothers fraud. Is this not consider as corruption in USA.Why All NRI's and western people blame India as one of the most corrupt country in the world. It means if rich do any fraud and Scam is legal.
Re: USA is going towards protectionism and corruption.
by Manoj K on Mar 13, 2009 08:10 PM
and you stop posting same message line by line all the time. Stop this irritating behaviours and be a human.
Re: USA is going towards protectionism and corruption.
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:09 PM
Not from last 3 years ... just 34k in taxes which he later paid with interest.
how do you know that the seat eventually sell for a million ... it could be zero, it could be more
There was no fraud at Lehman brothers ... they lost just like bear sterns did or Citigrp or AIG did ... just that tehy were not bailed out
Re: Re: USA is going towards protectionism and corruption.
by ramesh d on Mar 13, 2009 08:24 PM
It shows that both Loan and Manoj did not stay in US or ignorant. Most of the big business in US are run on fraud. The first thing when you apply for H1/any Visa you will be checked for fraud. US govt know it and supports it indirectly. Still it is far better than India coz, even in fraud, they give equal opportunities to all and no hierarchy kind of discrimination.
Re: Re: Re: USA is going towards protectionism and corruption.
by Manoj K on Mar 13, 2009 08:35 PM
I never said that I am in USA. Rather than saying that USA is not very high on my wishlist. I am happy where ever I am.
Re: Re: Re: USA is going towards protectionism and corruption.
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:29 PM
LOL .... people who know the elast about USA talk with the highest authority
when you apply for H1B, they check you for fraud because tehy want to catch you for the fraud taht you may have already committed and run away from USA
Re: Re: Re: Re: USA is going towards protectionism and corruption
by ramesh d on Mar 13, 2009 08:39 PM
Dont get away with the point . Point here is frauds in the US . H1b is just a an eg and kind. Just use the common sense, all banks loose more then 300 bn in single month adn collapse at same time. And business like Stanford Financial Group becomes Ponzi scheme in a single day.
Re: USA is going towards protectionism and corruption.
by raj arora on Mar 13, 2009 08:21 PM
u know satyam? and in the us u cant get away payin 10 dollars if u break a red light lol
TCS, Infosys, Wipro, are under microscope. Questions are being asked as to how come there are so many foreign workers in their US offices. Investigations in their local job creation promises.
Indian companies may make billions of dollar companies but will remain the marwadi munims. They didn't invest anything in building products. Government is looking at Honda Toyata and how many jobs they have created in US they really help grow US economy as compared blood sucking Indian companies who don't create jobs and also don't take care of their employees too well.
Applause dude ,well said ,look at freida pinto too she said oh i love my country bla bla and the latest is she tryin to flee to the states lol ,its a beautiful country that appreciated hard work tats why indians succed there because we so used to corruption in india tats usa is heaven ,true it has its bad too but id rather take that than live in filty pollution and people honking like animals
Re: @ Hilmesh gandhi
by Hilmesh Gandhi on Mar 13, 2009 07:44 PM
Thanks, I think we have to see beyond our government's schemes to make us feel as if we are proud Indians where as the bitter truth is that the only thing we can be proud of is our family values and capacity to work hard. The system is built to put you down if you are honest and hard working.
We need to look at ourselves with criticism and accept it if it comes positively and then attempt to change.
USA is no heaven. But it is a much better place than the hell I lived in and got so used to in India.
Re: Re: @ Hilmesh gandhi
by C M on Mar 13, 2009 08:27 PM
Himesh I dont disagree totally but i dotn agree either with you. It seems u had very bad experiences back in India (If u r really from India..Mere rediff id gandhi dont make me believe that u r really Indian)..Anyways Every county has pluses and minuses ..It seems u didnt live in US for long ...Every where ppl are same as ppl. I have seen lots of discrimination,Lots of politics around here too.So everyone is treated equal is all crap. I would say Laws are implemented faster in USA. India also has great laws, implementation is poor. PPl mentality sucks at times and that happenes irrespective of country. Have u yet come across any KKK bro...?? USA lacks the social fabric Ind has. Ind lacks infrastucture (barring few places)and comfort of services. You say "We need to look at ourselves with criticism" I would say we should be balanced enough to see our positives and negatives too. There are 2 ways nation can grow. Cut off weaknesses or Grow our strengths...Calling India hell is sure the self destructive thinking. Afgans or Pakis dont even call their nations hell. SO i think u have self esteem problem. So u better cure that first.Look at the world positively. Becoz real heaven and hell is in our own mind and heart...Hope this post helps you. I have no intention to hurt ur feelings at all..Good luck for ur remaining life!!!
Re: Re: Re: @ Hilmesh gandhi
by monstji on Mar 13, 2009 08:31 PM
What social fabric india has? Where is social security system? You get sick and doctors cheat you. The family values is used as an excuse by the govermnt not to work for the people
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Hilmesh gandhi
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:36 PM
a social security system is not possible at India's level of unemployment ... why would working people want to pay for those chronically on welfare? and when those on welfare will exceed those who are working
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Hilmesh gandhi
by C M on Mar 13, 2009 09:09 PM
I didnt mean Social security at all which is already a failure in USA if u know abt it. Social Fabric is real big canvas. Family values,Tradition,culture is part of it. USA also has all that But its just young nation if u study history of civilisation. Its basis is capitalization. India is Socio-Capitalization... In USA also doctors cheat you, you.Why only docs many professionals cheat at times, they are just clever enough to cover their a$$ beforehand.
Re: @ Hilmesh gandhi
by monstji on Mar 13, 2009 08:19 PM
If indians respected indians india would have been great. It did not happen in the last 60 years
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Hilmesh gandhi
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:39 PM
loan sharks wont bother you if you stop borrowing from them and repay on time with interest should you borrow ... OK?
Arre Himesh bhai... wherefrom are you getting this attitude towards India? How many years did you spend asking your parents to find a US citizen girl so that you could marry her? People who enter arranged marriage for green card sake are here to criticize others ... baat karte hain...
Re: Waah Himesh bhai
by Hilmesh Gandhi on Mar 13, 2009 07:41 PM
Sorry to disappoint you. I was hired to work there.
Your first thought was to think I came here using such dishonest means. If you think all it takes is to marry someone over there, then I'm not surprised. You sound like a politician which we have seen enough of.
Re: Re: Waah Himesh bhai
by Hilmesh Gandhi on Mar 13, 2009 07:47 PM
And you know what, I have many relatives who worked in the US and started as waiters and similar jobs which are looked down by us Indians and the people who do such things with disgust. But they worked hard, learned various professions, bought houses and live the American Dream (heard of that???). Every one gets a shot brother. Everyone.
Today some of them are professors, started their own business, their kids have received top notch education, live lives decently and with respect.
Are you willing to work hard and make a living through honest means?
I challenge you that you will be rewarded handsomely in the US.
Re: Re: Re: Waah Himesh bhai
by Amit Tripathy on Mar 14, 2009 09:55 AM
yeah the grt american dream......built on levearge , by creating problems for other.The Grt American Dream ...... where the johny is not even aware about his govt failure.....Dude wake up.....THats a classical induced democracy for zombies .every thing is supposed to be on the platter irrespective of the source.
Re: Re: Re: Waah Himesh bhai
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:16 PM
that's why USA is the land of opportunity ...the same people may not have accomplished anything in India
i think it is the repsonsibility of us "good desis" to expose these "fake" gult consultants. otherwise these crooks are going to cause a terrible damage to Indians' reputation in general. i feel guilty for not having done my part when i came to know about these shady consultants that have mushroomed everywhere around chicago and i hear there are many more in dallas and nj. i also believe that the US govt should urgently fix the immigration system so that engineers do not have to go to the consultants in desperation.
When USA frames a plocy of no more H1-B's ,why the hue and cry?It is a way of safe gaurding thier jobs and giving employment to thier own citizens.If we don't have money ,would you think about charity or giving money to others?Be fair!The H1-B programme was to get skilled people who had genuine jobs waiting for them,which the companies could not fill with thier own people because of the lack of a/the skill set.But we as typical Indians exploited this for our own selfish greed and making a fast buck that it was like killing a golden goose.We should blame ourselves for this mess and not the US.There are several thousands in H1-B who do not understand programming or can write a good code and have been fired.These are the people who want to stick here by any means.Good IT people are still getting jobs even in this recession period.Indians boast about thier IT talent,about sending unmanned trips to moon andbeing innovators.Then why don't they use these skills to improve India?Why crying and blaming the US for thier own short comings?
Re: No need to feel harassed
by Calspadeaspade on Mar 13, 2009 06:47 PM
You are right. But it is always good to make some noise. Because no body is on level playing field. Westerners were dumping their rejected products in INdia like bio engineered corn etc. If India opposed it will be called protectionism.
Re: Re: No need to feel harassed
by sunny chakraborti on Mar 13, 2009 07:06 PM
very good point-both-USA needs the H1-Bs for long terms needs, but its working software engineers are opposed to H1-B because they give them heart burns and competition on wage/work hrs; same in India/China, when they oppose USA made products import, its called protectionism, but unless there is some competition the local makers won't know where/how to improve upon and deliver a better quality of product to the people.
Re: No need to feel harassed
by Abhilash MS on Mar 13, 2009 07:19 PM
I completely agree , US can decide to keep H1B program or not . simialrly we can decide weather we need to buy Fighter jets from US or france or Russia . or for that matter what softdrink companies can operate in india . Protectionism and globalization , both are two way streets
