Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Postwala Mein on Mar 13, 2009 10:10 PM
Dude we are people - its same if they are white or black or brown. Given an oppurtunity, most human beings do the same. USA records higher crime rate than India even today. They are americans who exchange TV's, just that you dont it. Its called working around the system. To top it massive scams where failed company CEO's are making millions while govt taxes its own people. Start having some respect for yourself, you can talk about correcting systems - not classify the players. 100's of american companies pay fines each year for wrong doings inspite of American system being so liberal with business owners.
If not for HIPAA compliance you woudnt have any healthcare jobs but is HIPAA really req and is it worth spending so much money for a complaince - but health care companies make use of it to rake in billions of dollars. Our guys must have used the H1B thing - but its correctable.
Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Jai Bhim on Mar 13, 2009 10:24 PM
Yes you are correct when you say that its the same whether they are white, black or brown! There will be always people in any system who are tempted to take the easy path But there is no doubt that the USA system(compared to India) is least fault tolerant, otherwise how can you substantiate your statement "USA Records higher crime rate than India even today"
Do you want to tell me that in India the crimes are less than in India, dude wake up, most crimes in india go unnoticed!
And there is no question of having low self repect or feeling sad when I know there is a huge problem in the system in India. We the youth of India should have been the catalyst in cleaning this system,on the contrary we are spoiling other systems too!
Agreed that the HIPPA compliance and the Insurance is a complete fraud in the USA,Something needs to be done about it, let the people of USA decide about it.
Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by asad hgjkf on Mar 13, 2009 10:43 PM
Most people might do the same, agreed. But, have u ever wondered why Dell gives a no-questions- asked warranty on its laptops n desktops in US, whereas it does not give that warranty on its products in India.
Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Jai Bhim on Mar 13, 2009 10:27 PM
Yes you are correct when you say that its the same whether they are white, black or brown! There will be always people in any system who are tempted to take the easy path But there is no doubt that the USA system(compared to India) is least fault tolerant, otherwise how can you substantiate your statement \\\"USA Records higher crime rate than India even today\\\"
Do you want to tell me that in India the crimes are less than in USA, dude wake up, most crimes in india go unnoticed!
And there is no question of having low self repect or feeling sad when I know there is a huge problem in the system in India. We the youth of India should have been the catalyst in cleaning this system,on the contrary we are spoiling other systems too!
Agreed that the HIPPA compliance and the Insurance is a complete fraud in the USA,Something needs to be done about it, let the people of USA decide about it.
Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Jai Bhim on Mar 13, 2009 10:26 PM
Yes you are correct when you say that its the same whether they are white, black or brown! There will be always people in any system who are tempted to take the easy path But there is no doubt that the USA system(compared to India) is least fault tolerant, otherwise how can you substantiate your statement "USA Records higher crime rate than India even today"
Do you want to tell me that in India the crimes are less than in USA, dude wake up, most crimes in india go unnoticed!
And there is no question of having low self repect or feeling sad when I know there is a huge problem in the system in India. We the youth of India should have been the catalyst in cleaning this system,on the contrary we are spoiling other systems too!
Agreed that the HIPPA compliance and the Insurance is a complete fraud in the USA,Something needs to be done about it, let the people of USA decide about it.
Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Manoj K on Mar 13, 2009 10:01 PM
This problem is rampant among many indians. Its totally upto moral and ethics of the concerned person not to indulge in this kind of activity. Now at least, I can spot any onsite guy on the street of the UK. They have some specific characteristics, which any one can distinguish them in crowd.
Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by raj arora on Mar 13, 2009 10:26 PM
indians will run for any thing free ,see them behavin on flights ,they want everythimg on board just because they think they paid for it ,disgustin
Re: Re: Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Manoj K on Mar 13, 2009 10:48 PM
It is basically culture. It is very less unlikely that if some one is educated in USA/UK then he will run for free stuff. I have stayed quite long time in a british university and I have hardly seen any indians quing for free stuff.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by raj arora on Mar 13, 2009 10:30 PM
no mate even the regular ones ,iv travelled a lot ,indians and pakis are the greediest
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by raj arora on Mar 13, 2009 10:40 PM
lol yes tat too but the booze is the best incentive they behave like they have never seen drinks and food before ,even the parents pick on freebies like they gold ,embarassing behaviour ,gives all indians a bad name
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Jai Bhim on Mar 13, 2009 10:39 PM
Old habits die hard...
On a side note, maybe you did you realise that most of them were youngsters who were trying to get the maximum attention from the Chic Cabin crew members ;)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are we misusing our privileges?
by Jai Bhim on Mar 13, 2009 10:40 PM
Old habits die hard...
On a side note, maybe you did not realise that most of them were youngsters who were trying to get the maximum attention from the Chic Cabin crew members ;)
BaabU Madda, May be you are born rich. Do you know the term "survival of the fitttest". Brits came to India for tamarind business.Bribed every one, did all wrong things and looted India. And now they are telling the world as if they are innocent.Its no problem for us to do such things in reply to English Men
H1B system is misused like anyother system in the world.Now,please dont use this forum to point out single community for frauds or anything like that.it doesnt help that way.US itself is highly corrupt despite having a successful 75 years of good life after the great depression.Indian minds have this survival instincts that sometime hijacks the goodness. We as indians should make sure we hold to good qualities of life and pass it on to the next generation.we should strive to achieve for something we deserve.Hope you all agree. its just boring to see each one point fingers on other state.whats diff between us and those politicians who play blame games?
Re: black sheeps are everywhere
by Postwala Mein on Mar 13, 2009 10:15 PM
Exactly...these guys who talk low about themselves know nothing about history - this working around the system has always been there - American companies pay billions in fines for knowingly working around the system.
Re: Re: black sheeps are everywhere
by asad hgjkf on Mar 13, 2009 11:15 PM
The US companies paying fine means that there is a system there for catching the errant companies. Just because Indian companies are not caught doing hanky panky, it does not mean that there is no corruption in India. Rather, it means that even the regulatory bodies in India are corrupt.
I know so many of my Indian friends who get married and convert their wife from H4 and H1. These dumb house wife who basically has no skills apply jobs with fully falsified resume.
If US depart of labor look at the resume of H1B people and do a cross verify their experience, i can tell you 90% wont qualify.
These fraud H1B petitions legistimately take the oppurtinity for qualified people.
I dont know how rediff got the number as innovators, I can tell you from my experience, lot of these H1B workers, use this program to bring their family to America.
Hotel operators, gas station workers, and restaurent workers all got H1B. I know this from fact. All they do is falsify their resume and falsify the document of their qualification.
Remember, all these were oppertunities taken away from real qualified people and family who deserves them.
Please write your feedback, so rediff can write article about the truth of H1B visa's.
Re: I Love India
by ramesh d on Mar 13, 2009 08:58 PM
Indian already working hard. But we suffer from discrimination in state/cast/relatives. There is no work ethics. Hard work is not the stick yard for rewards. You will get rewards on your sate/caste/relative of PM. Most of the PMs in the software companies use their power ( favoritism) to control the subordinates rather than using their managing talent.
Re: Re: I Love India
by Postwala Mein on Mar 13, 2009 10:21 PM
I think the only solution is " WHY DO YOU HAVE TO CARE" - for motivation watch videos of Ron Paul or Jai Prakash Narayan on Youtube. Live ones life and not for others. be honest to oneself and seek your dreams. There are so many young achievers and the common trait in them is the sweet arrogance who care a damn for what world thinks about them, yet simple in living and thought.
When we dont have that energy to stand by our own we start complaining and worrying. There is line from Buddha that you have to shine individually - someone can quote the exact words.
Re: I Love India
by raj arora on Mar 13, 2009 08:53 PM
yes good luck ,start askin people to drive in one straight line and stop spittin on the roads to begin with first
Re: Re: I Love India
by Hilmesh Gandhi on Mar 13, 2009 08:55 PM
And hopefully the 600 million people who live below poverty line can see the same India too.
Re: Re: Re: I Love India
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 09:02 PM
Just moving over to greener pastures and being critical of India and its people doesn't make you or I a better person
Re: Re: Re: Re: I Love India
by raj arora on Mar 13, 2009 09:05 PM
nobody is being critical just pointing facts tats all ,rather than live in illusion ,india shinin when milions r starvin
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I Love India
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 09:07 PM
we all know the facts ... that people are poor and starved ... that a cop can be bribed ... etc. etc.
Re: I Love India
by Na on Mar 14, 2009 01:25 AM
Dude india is already a developed nation . All it need is clean up work.As long as people are not honest to themselves no nation will go forward.We have all resources but lack of honesty.
Re: I Love India
by shwetajha on Mar 14, 2009 03:08 AM
I nwill work hard and vote for people who are clean of any corruption . I will vote for those who are and were clean of any criminal offences. I will exercise my vote in fair manner. I will not vote for dynastic rule.
Re: Re: I Love India
by Na on Mar 14, 2009 05:13 AM
Its not the pblm of voting right people . Its the problem of making people to chose right people.Its a base level fix. U got nice thought but need to put in right way.
Re: Re: A View
by sridar mada on Mar 13, 2009 09:12 PM
to loan shark-> you can buy a $34.99 Carfax to get reports for upto 10 cars and a $39.99 Carfax to get reports for unlimited number of cars. What my AP friends does is, they buy the 10 report Carfax and place a ad in Sulekha site, they say that they will check the carfax for you and they just charge $5. Now did you understand.
Re: A View
by maniac on Mar 13, 2009 09:32 PM
I agree with you on all of the above...these guys are bringing bad name to everyone...even when u come across someone genuinely friendly u suspect them to be from Aamway.
Re: A View
by Happy Indian on Mar 13, 2009 08:52 PM
I'm not from Andra. I've seen mallus do this non sense. They are damm rich but don't spend a penny.
Re: A View
by Amol on Mar 13, 2009 09:43 PM
Yes,Unfortunately I have seen that too! These guys bought a television from costco and kept it for almost below 90 days, then they returned it and exchanged it for another television saying they did not like this particular television. Then this again went for another 90 days and then finally they even returned this Television to the shop, here they have a honour system, by which the shop owner doesn't ask any questions and just takes back the product. We people are just spoiling their good system! These people are from AP and I doubt there will be more people like them from other states of India too. I think its just not the people of AP but a disease which inflicts almost 90 percent of Indians. I feel really bad when an Indian does this :(
Re: A View
by reviews on Mar 13, 2009 09:31 PM
BaabU Madda, May be you are born rich. Do you know the term "survival of the fitttest". Brits came to India for tamarind business.Bribed every one, did all wrong things and looted India. And now they are telling the world as if they are innocent.Its no problem for us to do such things in reply to English Men
Re: A View
by Suresh Joshi on Mar 13, 2009 08:50 PM
A day in the life of a AP guy
"do time pass at office, stare at the screen for 8 hours, probably read every article in eenadu for that day, keeping the browser as non-evident as possible, have lunch, read eenadu again, have tea, open the code whenever manager passes by, then read Eenadu again". After that go home, Andhra guys will call up some "fandu" non-Andhra guy and discuss the work."
Re: Re: A View
by Sabu Cherian on Mar 13, 2009 08:51 PM
recently.....I had one similar experience....an Andhra guy, I think his name was Sridar Koti Reddy or something created 12 zip files when our PM told him to zip 12 word docs....:):):):)
Re: Re: Re: A View
by pinki mishra on Mar 13, 2009 08:52 PM
similar experience here too....The other day, an AP girl carried her CPU from 3rd floor to 18th floor. Do you wanna know why ? It was cos her lead told her to share a folder on her PC and she didnt know what that meant !!!! I am ROFL now.
Re: Re: Re: Re: A View
by Hilmesh Gandhi on Mar 13, 2009 08:57 PM
And the other day, another Andhra guy told that his company was making millions in profits until it was revealed that $billion simply didn't exist.
Re: Re: Re: A View
by reviews on Mar 13, 2009 09:11 PM
Hi,All are deviating from the topic.Not all are waste andhra guys. some are really hardworking. Some waste people will be there in every community and state. Dont pin point to one particular state.
Re: Re: Re: Re: A View
by Manoj K on Mar 13, 2009 09:46 PM
However, it is bad people who become torch bearer or state. People start generalising based on minority in india. Rather than looking at 0.001% or may be 10%, I will look at majority who constitute 90%. Now it is responsibility of 90% people to contain those minority by any means be it social boycott. But in india, these minority will control the majority. For example, hardly few thousands of marathi were involved in violence against bihari and UPites but who community was branded as goonda and violent. This apply to every states in india. I will not suggest what other should be doing because everyone has some mind and they should use it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: A View
by Rahul Khatri on Mar 13, 2009 09:39 PM
Let me share my exp here too :- One AP girl in my project opened "GOOGLE MAPS" when our PM told her to map to a network drive. I still laugh in these dark days of recession cos of her tamashas.
There you go again. It is time Indians learn some basic professional ethics. Even the illegal immigrants from south and central America, work with honesty and integrity despite being paid the lowest possible wage.For Indians education does not mean anything, it seems. If educated Indian (?) people misuse the system, It tells more about Indian culture. Shame on India.
Re: H1B Fraud.
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:34 PM
one Indian misuing the system or engaged in fraud does not tell anything about the Indian culture.
Most Indians in USA believe in following the rules.
After the fraud and bad investments and huge losses, Citigroup promoted an Indian to clean up the mess. Once it is cleaned up, they will replace him with a Jew. LOL
Re: Re: H1B Fraud.
by p on Mar 13, 2009 08:50 PM
It's just another way people are trying to get rid of unwanted workers in US. Get them trapped in courts.
Re: H1B Fraud.
by jay b on Mar 13, 2009 09:01 PM
Frauds have been rampant and big in US in past and present. Havent you heard about the trillion dollar ponzi,hedge funds,stocks,... frauds. Sub prime itslef was a big fraud (>2 trillion dollars) where low wage people where tempted and given big loans by banks.This has made the world economy to got into recession. So there maybe few indians who did similar but albeit low scale frauds as well but that is nothing compared to what has and is happening otherwise.
If I understand the article correctly, They are saying that consultant X in working in State Z but being paid in IOWA and they want to charge the firm with MAIL FRAUD for this!
This is really amazing. For ex:- IBM sends scores of consultants to work client sites at different USA locations in USA and sometimes to even Canada. Why they are not charged with Mail Fraud???
This is the same with AMERICAN Consulting companies who send their H1bs to different client locations but they pay them the salary based on where their 'home base' is! So if you are hired in TX and work in Arizona, you are still paid TX wages.
Re: IBM practice is same
by Loan Shark on Mar 13, 2009 08:24 PM
because these guys took advantage of lower prevailing wages in Iowa. The salary paid by IBM in the home base may be higher than wherever they send the consultant to .... if so, there is no problem ...
as long as the consultant makes moe than the minimum salary for his position in the state that he/she is working in, it is fine.
Here the guys paid Iowa (lower) wages while the cosnultant worked in a higher wage market (e.g. New York or CA)
Re: IBM practice is same
by Vineeth Pai on Mar 13, 2009 10:56 PM
This is BS - First of all IBM pays much higher base (more than any state's minimum) and certainly more than the desi body shops and secondly also pays a much higher wage for the costlier markets(like NY, CA etc).
An organization based on values does not need to resort to cheap practices to save a few pennies - get your facts right
Re: IBM practice is same
by M Kumar on Mar 13, 2009 08:28 PM
I have the same situation (my company in one state and I being in a different state) and I have the LCA approved in the state that I am working in, and I do get paid in the state that I am working in. If some company is not following this, yes - THEY ARE DOING FRAUD.
