In most of the Indian states, the number of engineering graduates have increased from 1500% to 3000% may be more, which is obviously not an organic growth. For example, in a state where 10 years back 1500-2000 students used to get admission in engineering, now those states are admitting 50000 to 60000 students, courtesy to induction of hundreds of private engineering colleges into the system. As a result, students with less than average merits are also getting admission.Many of them are not even fit enough for normal degree colleges and many of the engineering colleges are not fit enough to be called a college.They neither have infrastructure nor proper faculty members. Actually there is a huge gap in our mainstream education system and demand in professional world. We tried to bridge the gap in some short cut way, by setting up more number of engineering colleges, without preparing a large section of students capable of studying there. The deficiencies of these students should ideally be caught by their respective colleges/boards. But as many of them are from private engineering colleges and there is hardly any check on quality, they somehow managed to qualify. But they severely get exposed and immediately caught as soon as they enter in their respective professional world. The solution is not short term. A complete overhaul of the mainstream education system, proper monitoring of the private engineering colleges can only save these students.
In most of the Indian states, the number of engineering graduates have increased from 1500% to 3000% may be more, which is obviously not an organic growth. For example, in a state where 10 years back 1500-2000 students used to get admission in engineering, now those states are admitting 50000 to 60000 students, courtesy to induction of hundreds of private engineering colleges into the system. As a result, students with less than average merits are also getting admission.Many of them are not even fit enough for normal degree colleges and many of the engineering colleges are not fit enough to be called a college.They neither have infrastructure nor proper faculty members. Actually there is a huge gap in our mainstream education system and demand in professional world. We tried to bridge the gap in some short cut way, by setting up more number of engineering colleges, without preparing a large section of students capable of studying there. The deficiencies of these students should ideally be caught by their respective colleges/boards. But as many of them are from private engineering colleges and there is hardly any check on quality, they somehow managed to qualify. But they severely get exposed and immediately caught as soon as they enter in their respective professional world. The solution is not short term. A complete overhaul of the mainstream education system, proper monitoring of the private engineering colleges can only save these students.
Is English knowing criteria of anyone intelligence? Are we still slave? Shame. These engineers from villages are true work force - working with meagre money with english speaking big bosses.
Re: English
by prem k on Jul 25, 2012 11:19 AM
wrong interpretation. India aspires to be a service industry leader and English is a global language, unlike Hindi or other Indian languages. So knowledge of English is going to increase employability of Engineers and other professionals. Like it or not, English is slowly becoming the only global language and if you dont let your children learn English, they will face difficulties in a globalized world. 10-15 years back, most European and Latin American countries discourage the use of English in school, but today the story is different. English is introduced as early as when a child is 6 or 7 even in highly English-hostile countries such as France. On the contrary, the poor people in India are willing to spend money on private schools so that their children get to learn English, while the elected politicians ban English from govt schools. What an irony!
Re: Re: English
by amoret amoret on Jul 25, 2012 12:11 PM
Engineers are supposed to work mostly in manufacturing (except CSE) rather than service sector. Even in Service sector,one can do with functional English rather than Queen's English. Do you think India is going to do better than France or Italy or Japan or Germany in services sector? These counrries are doing well in all sectors without English.
Re: Re: Re: English
by super khanna on Jul 29, 2012 02:56 PM
because there were not slaves for British.We were for centuries.Still some dirt goondas are ruling us
Re: English
by Rajesh Kamthe on Jul 25, 2012 12:26 PM
I think MR PREM K ji is missing a point over hear.Look at the example of RUSSIA,JAPAN,ALL OF EUROPE,SOUTH KOREA and so many developed economies, the common thing between all these countries is that Higher Technical Education(Engineering) is given in their mother toungue and these countries are still at par with English speaking developed countries like USA,CANADA,AUSTRALIA as far as techology in any field is concerned.If you are nit quite good at english that does not mean you are fool or not worhty of anyhting and above countries are the example of that.Creating a good student is not about only having a good teacher, it is about ellaborating the content and making him understand in the language he knows. We are too much obsessed with ENGLISH and very unfair treatment is being given to those who dont understand it.
Re: Re: English
by madhu on Jul 25, 2012 01:32 PM
Rajesh- you should have shown that you are not obsessed with English by not learning it. Were you talking English since birth? Because we Marathis always hate English saying it is foreign language, result is that Marathis are working as Peon, Helper, computer operator, Sweeper, clerk, account assistant and not as Managers at corporate level, banks or in Govt. companies except a few.; So change this attitude towards English and respect it. If you think so, do not teach your children English and show by surviving.
Re: Re: English
by arungopal agarwal on Jul 25, 2012 12:30 PM
Dear Ones-I agree with Mr. Amoret and Rajesh but you will also agree that somehow our govt. has accepted British/Western system of education and kept English alive over Hindu or any other language in India, as such it is relevant to study English too for better growth in employment.
Lack of innovation is a more serious problem in so far as Indian engineers are concerned. Around 50 years ago, India and China started at around the same level. In fact, Indians had several advantages over the Chinese like - knowledge of English, contact with the Western world etc. Where did India go wrong and what did China do right is what needs to be looked into. Maybe certain policy changes can be made even at this late stage.
Engineering students should attain proficiency in technical expression and should be able to write their reports in simple and concise English.As an engineering student I learnt English for two years,largely comprising essays by Macaulay,Thoreau and Priestly.No one taught us how to write a simple report based on our practical training at a work site or factory.While teaching for about four decades in all India level institutes I found that my students (from whatever part of the country they hail) were at sea when it comes to writing a project report or thesis in English.This is due to the rapid fall in educational standards all over the country,the students from the Hindi states were additionally handicapped by the lack of teaching in English medium,due to the stance taken by their politicians.
A hardcore technical guy need not be so fluent in English. He is not expected to be so good in grammar knowing slang, jargon etc. English is a language for the board meetings alone. Rather it is used for effective communication in a flamboyant manner.
Today, Hindi is the language that gets you jobs. All competitive exams have the option of Hindi and those who use Hindi generally excel those who answer in English. Govt. interviews (including Class I positions) offer the option to converse in Hindi. Officers pick up adequate amount of English depending upon the environment and the requirement of the job. Why this brouhaha over English standard.
Re: Irrelevant Observation
by Ujwala Kulkarni on Jul 25, 2012 10:24 AM
The insistence on learning too many languages (upto 7) in the formative schooling years makes education a dreary exercise. This leaves several subjects weak - not just English. And since marks scored is taken as a measure of caliber, natural thinking, innovation etc. is lost. The current education scheme is a recipe for creating human robots.
Re: Re: Irrelevant Observation
by palanki narayana on Jul 25, 2012 10:49 AM
A research scholar of IIT,Delhi won a court case for exercising his right to submit his Ph.D thesis(chemistry) in Hindi.The thesis was to be translated into English by the professors who were proficient in both languages and sent to examiners who were familiar with the candidate's field but ignorant of the 'national' language. Prof.G.D.Agarwal of IIT,Kanpur (the swami on hunger strike against Ganga pollution)used to teach his undergraduates in Hindi.He also promised his postgraduate students 5% extra marks if they wrote the examination in any language other than English.He had to give up,when his students (Hindi and non-Hindi)protested with a single voice. Let us accept that it is not yet time for English to make its exit from the country.
