i feel the pain of us,the taxpayers.I DO.But shall we not look into a doctor's working condition in our country.its grim,very very grim- in village PHC's,in district hospitals,in govt hospitals and even in teaching hospitals which are supposed to be tertiary care unit.Look at the salaries that these state govt offers an MBBS and you will get the answers.After all the day and night duties what does a doc get in return.Ill behaviour from patient parties,meagre salaries in most states(except delhi and central govt docs),poorest working condition and no supply of basic life saving medicines.what do you then expect doctors to do?why not realise for once why do the doctors migrate at all?please look into it as well.....
Re: asking indian doctors to return?
by Nirpinder Singh on Apr 27, 2012 11:58 AM
Don't the prospective Doctors know about the working conditions before they commence their medical studies? That inspite of knowing the conditions extant they take up medical studies with the intent of going abroad indicates malafide on their part does it not?
Re: Re: asking indian doctors to return?
by Manoj Dev on Apr 27, 2012 12:29 PM
Our doctors damned well know the ground conditions when they take admission in medical college and it is also upto the doctors to improve the conditions in Govt hospitals - no point always blaming systems, interference etc. Some doctors, of course, do take control and make the best of whatever is available in this politician-infested poor country. They are the real respectable, rest are just after money rather than professionalism.
Re: asking indian doctors to return?
by prasath jayaraman on Apr 27, 2012 12:44 PM
Let me ask the centre governed IIMs then.As all know, an MBA seat in IIM costs no less than 15 lacs now.Do u really think that MBA seat is worth that much.?If it is worth that much why the fees in IIM was below 5 lacs some 4 years back? Has the quality of education & infrastructure increased in IIMA? Definitely not. These politicians governed institutions suck the blood and money of common people and try to pseudo run the show by saying that these institutions are heavily subsidized. Actually the tax payer’s money are swindled by corrupt politicians by way of 2G/3G/10G scams. These politicians are fooling common people & the already financially burdened, education empathized Indian middle class families by imposing these kinds of education rules. These corrupt politicians are the real culprits and looters of the nation and are trying to disguise themselves as clean citizens of this country.Look at ghulam azad’s house and a normal doctor’s house to know the real truth.
How is it fair to expect Indian Tax Payers to subsidize medical education for students who go abroad to work once they have their medical degrees. Medical Colleges in India have some NRI seats for which students are expected to pay twenty times the regular fees. If medical graduates are desperate to go overseas then they should be asked to refund to the Indian Government an amount equal to the difference in fees for studying medicine in India and the nation that they decide to settle in. Is that not fair?
Re: WWX7E
by Sameer on Apr 27, 2012 01:05 PM
Nirpinder Singh
Dimwit, you have fallen prey to the useless porkiticians word.
Are you really saying that 3000 doctors is that big a number ? IS The number of doctors graduating each year is 3000 ?
There are atleast 50,000 -100,000 medical seats . Count the number who might be graduating. Now tell me how is 3000 the problem ?
You have been given a brain ...use it
In case you don't get it .... the majority of the ones graduating are not fit to be doctors. They got the seats via q0uta system. Thats the REAL PROBLEM
Dear Mr Azad, I feel delighted with your statement that doctors should come back after completing their studies from US.
Great Sense of Humour and it should be implemented first with you Party Leader who went abroad for treatment whem AIIMS in Delhi have all such facilities available compare to US. If not what you were doing?? and the shortage in Doctors/Nurses are not created in a day it is a long process to accumulate such huge gap. Why we have not given much attention when we are spending lacs and lacs crores rupees in Health department. Create new Goverment Collages to bridge the gap and you do not have any controls in Private collages. I would like to see first that you and your minister will take 100% treatment in India rather going US. Make a policy for one year atleat after that think for such decision.
It is unfair to ask Doctors to fill a bond asking to return after studying in US. The working conditions and the Pay is pathetic in India. Instead the govt. should give incentives like good infrastructure and pay, so that the doctors return on their own. There is also so much corruption here. You have to pay for getting anything done.
1. Its fair to seek a bond for their return However, give them an option to remain in the USA if they within a time frame return the govt subsidy for their studies 2. IIT engineers and other govt institutions who have received subsidy should be treated likewise.
We cannot compare the facilities in the USA and INDIA Then in that case THINK ABOUT THIS What if the doctors professor did not decide to remain in India Who would teach..... Besides tax payers money etc.... it would be a satisfying step for the Professors who have sacrificed
Re: Bond for Medical Students
by prasath jayaraman on Apr 27, 2012 12:52 PM
Let me ask the centre governed IIMs then.As all know, an MBA seat in IIM costs no less than 15 lacs now.Do u really think that MBA seat is worth that much.?If it is worth that much why the fees in IIM was below 5 lacs some 4 years back? Has the quality of education & infrastructure increased in IIMA? Definitely not. These politicians governed institutions suck the blood and money of common people and try to pseudo run the show by saying that these institutions are heavily subsidized. Actually the tax payer’s money are swindled by corrupt politicians by way of 2G/3G/10G scams. These politicians are fooling common people & the already financially burdened, education empathized Indian middle class families by imposing these kinds of education rules. These corrupt politicians are the real culprits and looters of the nation and are trying to disguise themselves as clean citizens of this country.Look at ghulam azad’s house and a normal doctor’s house to know the real truth.
Going to USA by a medical student should be seen as an Indian Doctor has an oppotunity to improve his knowledge in the modern medicine. Many Indian Doctors are seen as excellent in their field and get appreciation in USA. Why should they be prvented in proving the efficiecy.
First doctors must be controlled by doctors only, in majority of Ministries and administrative Heads are either IAS or bureacrats, whereas an IAS should not be allowed to go beyond JS rank. This will bring all professonals on the top.
Re: Doctors
by prasath jayaraman on Apr 27, 2012 12:46 PM
Let me ask the centre governed IIMs then.As all know, an MBA seat in IIM costs no less than 15 lacs now.Do u really think that MBA seat is worth that much.?If it is worth that much why the fees in IIM was below 5 lacs some 4 years back? Has the quality of education & infrastructure increased in IIMA? Definitely not. These politicians governed institutions suck the blood and money of common people and try to pseudo run the show by saying that these institutions are heavily subsidized. Actually the tax payer’s money are swindled by corrupt politicians by way of 2G/3G/10G scams. These politicians are fooling common people & the already financially burdened, education empathized Indian middle class families by imposing these kinds of education rules. These corrupt politicians are the real culprits and looters of the nation and are trying to disguise themselves as clean citizens of this country.Look at ghulam azad’s house and a normal doctor’s house to know the real truth.
Yes. The minister is correct. Fees for professional degrees in India is subsidized. Part of the cost is the Common man's money paid as taxes. The students who go abroad for further studies should have concern for the common man's money the government spends on them Hence they are duty bound to work in India to repay the common man for an equivalent time period. They can then decide what they want to do further.
There is one more serious issue on Indians going abroad for work through their Indian companies. They get visa based on the name and strength of the company. Once they go abroad, they start hunting for jobs in foreign companies and jump jobs - thereby becoming disloyal to the companies which sent them. The Visas of such persons should be immediately cancelled. They should be declared illegal immigrants and deported back to India. Also they should be debarred from issue of visa to any foreign country for any purpose.
Re: Higher studies abroad
by Sandy W on Apr 27, 2012 05:09 PM
Indian companies suck employee blood then give them Visa. Just ask your self simple question Who is sucker employee or Indian employer ?
Re: Higher studies abroad
by Chalta Hai on Apr 27, 2012 11:44 AM
What da phak, indians are spending thousands of crores on doctors who are idiotically toppling over each other to serve white skins ?
Re: Higher studies abroad
by prasath jayaraman on Apr 27, 2012 12:43 PM
Let me ask the centre governed IIMs then.As all know, an MBA seat in IIM costs no less than 15 lacs now.Do u really think that MBA seat is worth that much.?If it is worth that much why the fees in IIM was below 5 lacs some 4 years back? Has the quality of education & infrastructure increased in IIMA? Definitely not. These politicians governed institutions suck the blood and money of common people and try to pseudo run the show by saying that these institutions are heavily subsidized. Actually the tax payer’s money are swindled by corrupt politicians by way of 2G/3G/10G scams. These politicians are fooling common people & the already financially burdened, education empathized Indian middle class families by imposing these kinds of education rules. These corrupt politicians are the real culprits and looters of the nation and are trying to disguise themselves as clean citizens of this country.Look at ghulam azad’s house and a normal doctor’s house to know the real truth.
If Govt is soo worried about Tax payer money is spend on doctors go useless...Why the hell they spend 30000Cr tax payer money on useless AirIndia...pathetic employees, service. With that money we could have started facilities for medical Higher studies in India itself.
