We have spent 12 years doing super-specialization, and working for low remunerations in comparison to the IT industry. We also need to put up with more work tension and patient responsibilities at odd hours. Why stop us from getting our dues in other countries where they respect & remunerate hard work? Why fight for useless caste and creed based reservation here, when universities offer quality degrees in the US based on real marks and scores. Why doesn't the govt. target the IT and engineering graduates similarly. Gulam Nabi Azad is a charlatan.
Re: why target us
by girish on Apr 28, 2012 07:02 PM
Nobody is trying to compare u with IT guys. Question is why should a country spends in lacs on a doctor when it does not get any returns ????
Re: Re: Re: why target us
by girish on Apr 28, 2012 07:15 PM
1st : I can't trust what you say about money factor. In fact Indian Medical Council should then take lead in this regardd and through proper channel should try to come out with facts & figures. 2nd : Let there be million seats. As long as govt spends on these seats and spends taxpayer's money I am concerned.
Re: Re: Re: Re: why target us
by Sameer on Apr 29, 2012 02:22 PM
Girish
i wonder if you are concerned with the supposed 750 crores at best of Money spent on the 3000 doctors. There is no way that the cost comes to 25 lakh / doctor from tax payers money. Atleast in India it definately doesn't cost that much. It might cost that much assuming a new college has been opened and the first batch roll out.
You are the classic example of penny wise and pound foolish. To be very honest, if the govt asks for the people to pay the subsidised money back, people will pay it without any issues.
Think about it for a sec... what makes the cost of 1 medical doctor as 25 lakhs. The lecturers working in the college draw around 50-60000 at best.
Your main concern should be on the 443432324324 scams involving 2000% and over money which goes into the porkiticians kitty.
Atleast in the doctors case, they are themselves taxpayers in almost all cases
Re: Re: Re: Re: why target us
by Sameer on Apr 29, 2012 02:44 PM
Girish
I hope you have comprehension skills and common sense.
You do realize the main problem here is not the funds being used by DOCTORS, but the deficiency of qualified doctors we have in India right ?
My assumption is that you have been born with an IQ greater than 120 and have been exercising your brain.
Just in case you are mistaken
1) Most qualified budding doctors would scrap the idea of medicine 2) they would join other streams instead 3) The problem of lack of quality doctors will get worse. 4) Govt tomorrow will come up with a new set of figures for engineering / other sciences and blackmail indians in the name of tax payer money, which we all know never comes to us. 5) So we in the name of our own money, shortchange ourselves so these pathetic low lige porkiticians can exploit us more.
If this is brain drain-how about Doctors becoming IAS officers or politicians? What about IIT mechanical Engineers becoming Software Professionals or sales men for toothpaste as some one said many years ago? Are these not brain drains?
Re: bond for doctors pursuing PG courses abroad
by girish on Apr 28, 2012 07:05 PM
No this is not brain drain. It is my right to choose my profession and I give back through my profession.
This is first time I would agree with UPA govt's decision. Rs. 25-30 Lakhs is too much. Same should be applied to IIT/NIT guys where govt spend around 10-15 lakhs. Very nice step.
Re: I would agree with Govt
by ranjit raje on Apr 28, 2012 07:06 PM
madam pls talk logical with a sane mind! do u know what it is to struggle in a medical system in this country after 10 to 12 years of professional education simply because a structured health care system just does not exist! if you are not a medico you have no business to comment on this decision!
Re: I would agree with Govt
by girish on Apr 28, 2012 07:08 PM
I am an IIT guy working in my country and I completely agree with you. The person should either pay with full interest the govt spends on him/her or he/she should work for the country till the amount is paid through IT returns.
Re: Re: I would agree with Govt
by sandeep talari on Apr 28, 2012 07:18 PM
i myself being doctor know all this is cock and bull story.the only part where they spend money is on the 1st year in mbbs where the non clinical faculty and departments are maintained .after coming over to 2nd year or clinicals,the facilities r faculty used are the same of the government hospital attached to the medical college.the same doctors who treat u , tutor u.u dont buy patients.u dont use medicines.govt spends money to treat patients and how can the senior doctors salaries ,patients test charges or treatment charges be included as the training charges for a would be doctor.the thing is people outside the system dont know the facts and rather would like to talk.just because a rivate college charges 365 lakhs for a seat doesnt mean govt is spending so much money.in house surgeoncy and postgraduation, u work in a hospital for peanuts that are paid once in 4 months.that to after marriage and with kids.now put these things into mind and then talk
Re: Re: I would agree with Govt
by Logical Error on Apr 28, 2012 08:31 PM
Of the 25 lakhs, 20 lakhs is wasted in corruption. Why do you want doctors or engineers to pay that and that too with interest.
Re: Re: I would agree with Govt
by Sameer on Apr 29, 2012 02:57 PM
girish
There is no way you are an IIT'ian .... maybe Islamia insitute of tech grad, but not IIT'ian. I would like to believe that the cream of the crop is better than rest of us... or wait, did you get your seat via qu0ta system ? That might explain , why your thoughts seem kind of low class
If the costs are so high recover the subsidy portion from those leaving the country before instead of a bond. Gulam Nabi is trying to catch the bull by its tail instead of the horns.He is creating unwanted debate.Looks like he wants modernity but is shy of accepting it.
I recently had a long discussion with a doctor who studied in a Delhi College earned his P.G. degree and moved to the U.S. where he is practicing for the past 12 years.He would have very much loved to practice in India and be along with his old parents, but was disgusted with the resistance to his progress in the field because of the community to which he belonged.He had strived hard from his school days to achieve distinction in the field of study and after some 15 years of hard work, found himself equated and some times superseded by people with no merit what so ever, besides being blocked at every innovative step he wished to pursue, because it might up-set the apple cart of his seniors who had every thing offered in a platter for their advancement based on their OBC, S/C,S/T status.Left with no option to prosper in his chosen field, he migrated and would not consider coming back for a pot of gold ! Azad's intention is laudable but then, he must first remove reservation being accorded in life saving field, if he is serious about affording reasonable health care in rural India !
Re: Condition on Doctors Going Abroad.
by Vijay Mehta on Apr 28, 2012 07:08 PM
Very well said. I hpe many top level doctors, engineers and scientists would like to return home if they feel that they would get all the privilges and benefits they deserve as an Indian. These politians have created a such havoc situation in India that stops the people to return to home. Mr. Azad needs to lift all the reservations from the highers educations and the community and national interest professions. All indians irrespective of their religions should get the benefits on their financials, academic status like US not for their vote banks to rout the future of country. I appreciate and welcome his step but this will create more problems if he does not work on otherside simultaneously.
There was an article sometime back stating that U.S.has not made adequate infrastructure to pursue higher studies in medicine because the cost factor is heavy. Hence they get highly qualified Doctors from other countries where such facilities are available at a lesser cost. So, whether Indian Government spent or not more number of Indian Doctors will be available and hence no such restrictions be made.
we can get around this look no law applies to jammu/kashmir so all doctors register there please! and then then noneta can touch you or elso vote bak utt gaye
Re: 'Asking Indian docs to return
by Vijay Mehta on Apr 28, 2012 07:13 PM
you can not register there even if you are not J&K resident. I born in Jammu but can not get any job there because you are not J&K citizen.
