Any service you are doing is for yourself, it's for your pleasure and satisfaction and even the service to Nation is your personal accomplishment, but in few jobs it helps the society in a larger picture and some do not..
For those who believe they are paying taxes....you gotta know that 80% of the revenue comes from only 20% of the people and first you gotta figure out if you belong to that 20%
Have u ever experienced the conditions our young men and women endure so that cow ards like you sit in comfort of your OFFICE AC and send out these illogical messages. Go meet a veteran who has fought in WW2, First Kashmir war, 1962 war, 1965 war, 1971 war, Kargil war, and raging insurgencies across India created by your Congress party, then write such kind of statements above. BTW have you seen the obsolete eqpt our armed forces use even though we spend 32 billion USD on defense....where does the money go...kickbacks ..have you forgotten Bofors and Gandi-Nehru family's involvement.....get answers to these questions and then criticize our armed forces
Re: @ sachin bhutada
by Maximus Meridius on Apr 27, 2010 10:16 PM
Maybe he doesn't realize that the reason there is no war 99 percent of the time is because these people are around. I suppose Bhutada would prefer to raise an army at the exact moment the enemy invades.
BTW, the army is deployed in Kashmir, and has been fighting insurgents in the NE as well.
Lemme see if I can come up with a good example... Most airports in snowy regions (like, say Chicago, but typical of any place that snows) have an army of snow ploughs that sit around doing nothing. It rarely snows so much to block a runway. 99 percent of the time, these machines that are worth tens of thousands of dollars each, are sitting doing nothing. But, when the snowstorm hits, these ploughs clear the runway in an hour or so. You could take the line that we don't need them 99 percent of the time, but then you would have to shut the airport for the 1 percent of time that you need it. And, that's usually more expensive.
The army exists not to fight, but to ensure that we don't ever have to fight. They will if they must, but unless you have designs of empire building, armies exist to make the enemy think twice about attacking. Maybe that concept is lost on you. Perhaps you lack of intelligence is best applied to your current insignificant job, where you are likely to do very little damage.
"and moreover after 10 years of service Mr. Madrasi would be looking for voluntary retirement and a job in a multinational shipping company, selection process for the officers and IPS shouldn't be academic only, academics tend to be coward and cunning."....what a illogical statement....dear readers can anybody explain what Mr. Noel wants to convey...
Re: @noel
by sri on Apr 27, 2010 10:06 PM
These type of people are always hateful and contemptuous of people. This guy is hateful of people who are inspired and optimistic about the armed forces but he has also something against "Madrassis" and I am sure he has something against other groups too!
Re: @noel
by Venugopalan on Apr 28, 2010 04:53 PM
you speak as if you are the master of all regional groups, 10 years is a long time and by that time he has given the country well, not like you wasted your years doing nothing..
Re: @noel
by Maximus Meridius on Apr 27, 2010 10:08 PM
Maybe Noel doesn't realize that you can't simply resign from the Armed forces. It's not a 9-5 job; if the army refuses to accept your resignation, you cannot leave (you will be court martialled as a deserter if you do). There is no VRS in the army, and they have a shortage of officers.
Selection process for officers is not academic only. Perhaps Noel doesn't understand that army officers need to be intelligent as well. Some of them will go on to be generals.
Is it necessary to say he is the first Keralite .Very regressive .50 years ago x is the first graduate from my village ,y is first women doctor from our state . What ever congrat Sri Ram .Do your work honestly and sincerely that is service to the nation Some body has in this Yogi said even ragpickers serve the nation .He is absolulty right .Dont develop delusions of grandeur like our pliticians who all the time time use cliches about serving the nation .Doyour job honestly .God bless you
Re: The first Keralite to top the exam
by lover boy on Apr 27, 2010 10:12 PM
Try to understand in the context it is used.
Kerala has 100% literacy rate, It has high density of graduates, yet the number opting for civil services is minisucle.
Traditionally northern region has been a dominant when it comes to civil services or army assignments, it is in that context used that he the first Keralite to take the honor.
People who opt for competitve exams like AIIMS, NDA, IIMS and others know value of topping the list.
Re: Re: The first Keralite to top the exam
by Maximus Meridius on Apr 27, 2010 10:19 PM
Army assignments: Foot soldiers, yes. I wouldn't say the same about officers. I think Kerala and the south in general have a higher representation in the officer cadre.
Re: Re: The first Keralite to top the exam
by KEDAR DEO on Apr 27, 2010 10:51 PM
there is huge population in north india..unemployment is high..days why they spend 4-5 studying for IAS..neways what good these IAS have done to india?
Re: Re: The first Keralite to top the exam
by ASHISH KUMAR on Apr 27, 2010 11:26 PM
Another dumb northy. Most of the intelligent people & great achievers in this country are from south India, maharashta & Guharat who change face of India. It only average northy who carves for govt jobs as no other opportunity there. As per latest uS research, Jew is the most intelligent community in world followed by tamilian brahmin from palghat. Even Bill gates quoted that south Indian (mind u not indian) are smartest people in the world are chinese. Also majority of top scientist, sports person, businessman, enterprenor, artist also come from south, Mahrashra & gujrat. North is only in producing corrupt politicains & govt officials. Mr lover boy so keep ur facts right before commenting. Northys are far behind in everyfield aceept arrogance , showoff & politics.
Re: Re: Re: The first Keralite to top the exam
by leoiscmg on Apr 28, 2010 12:02 AM
ashish ki g_a_*_d pe laat maarni chahiye.....R u from thackrey patry? because of some bullshit ppl from north u are using ur shitty tougue for all north indians...g_an_n_du
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The first Keralite to top the exam
by ASHISH KUMAR on Apr 28, 2010 05:07 PM
leoiscmg ki g_a_*_d pe laat maarni chahiye.....R u from lalu patry? because of some bullshit ppl from maharashra like thakre, u are using ur shitty tougue for all marathi indians...g_an_n_du
Re: Re: The first Keralite to top the exam
by ASHISH KUMAR on Apr 28, 2010 05:05 PM
This year IAS topper is from andhra(South), NDA topper from Kerela(south),Best cadet awrd for last yr NDA- from Maharshtra, Best cahrted accountant- from Gujrat, IIM topper- From Madras(south). No big deal for these states as it is part & parcel of life, But if any northy in the list, they will make big noise of it as if they are the most intelligent people on earth.
Salute to your courage and dedication to your country. Keep remember your mission and honestly serve your country. Do not get greedy when you get powers and start looting the money of your poor brothers and sisters. Whatever you will get in NDA that comes from the hard work of INDIANS except politicians and beaurocrats.
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Rudolf Hess on Apr 27, 2010 09:58 PM
Have u ever experienced the conditions our young men and women endure so that cow ards like you sit in comfort of your OFFICE AC and send out these illogical messages. Go meet a veteran who has fought in WW2, First Kashmir war, 1962 war, 1965 war, 1971 war, Kargil war, and raging insurgencies across India created by your Congress party, then write such kind of statements above. BTW have you seen the obsolete eqpt our armed forces use even though we spend 32 billion USD on defense....where does the money go...kickbacks ..have you forgotten Bofors and Gandi-Nehru family's involvement.....get answers to these questions and then criticize our armed forces
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by noel on Apr 27, 2010 09:28 PM
and moreover after 10 years of service Mr. Madrasi would be looking for voluntary retirement and a job in a multinational shipping company, selection process for the officers and IPS shouldn't be academic only, academics tend to be coward and cunning.
Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by sri on Apr 27, 2010 09:30 PM
And you? Will be serving some foreign master and sending home a few measly dollars and pretending to be doing something.
Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by noel on Apr 27, 2010 09:34 PM
atleast I don't claim to be doing any kind of national service, I have many cousins in the army and I know that for people in the army it's only a job while for average indians army like every powerful thing is something to worship, it's not a problem with the armymen but with the ill-educated and mentally slave people like you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by sri on Apr 27, 2010 09:44 PM
By criticizing, you are certainly claiming something. And dont give me that crap about having cousins in the army. You obviously know very little about it. At the very least, have some gratitude for people who will give their lives tomorrow. If you cant do that, try not to infect people with your crass materialism. Your english suggests that it is you who is poorly eductaed, by the way!!!
Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Rudolf Hess on Apr 27, 2010 09:50 PM
"and moreover after 10 years of service Mr. Madrasi would be looking for voluntary retirement and a job in a multinational shipping company, selection process for the officers and IPS shouldn't be academic only, academics tend to be coward and cunning."....what a illogical statement....dear readers can anybody explain what Mr. Noel wants to convey...
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 27, 2010 09:38 PM
@sachin bhutada if you think life is al roses in the forces why don't you go and join them. After all you want a job as well. Mr it is because of these people you sleep comfortably in your warm and cozy bed.
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Rohit Kumar on Apr 27, 2010 09:59 PM
@sachin bhutada and noel... We Indians are proud of everyone in the forces are disgusted by people like you. Please keep your opinions to yourself and die silently. Nobody gives a damn about ur opinions or ur existence
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by sachin bhutada on Apr 27, 2010 09:44 PM
I think i have offended many in this forum.But i would request everyone offended to please give some cool headed replies than emotional ones. Every one says the same thing that,it is because of the forces we are sleeping peacefully. But think on this...whenever i pass by military area in any city..i just boys playing..sometimes it hurts man...i mean it is not that i dont have respect for the forces,but i am not that SENTI as u guys...i wish some personel from the forces reply to my post.Do u get the job satisfaction when practically 99.99% of time in ur working life u r actually doing drills
Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by sri on Apr 27, 2010 09:53 PM
that's a very poor reason to support your harsh criticism. This is the problem with Indians. They all have quick opinions but their reasoning and logic is very suspect. That's why India suffers so much and is doing so poorly, relatively speaking.
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Pradeep on Apr 27, 2010 09:31 PM
Lets assume what you said is right, The army is enjoying 99% of its time, even then at the time of war, they take part in the 1% of the time, is more that worth what we pay them. In that 1% of the time there are so many people who lost their lives helping us live peacefully. Personally I dont believe they enjoy 99% percent, but even if they do I wouldn't think twice to salute a person in Army/Airforce/Navy with all the respect in my heart.
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by yogesh tyagi on Apr 27, 2010 09:23 PM
pity on your poor knowledge.... u dont know the f**k abt forces..n for that matter about the whole set up... for u pl history ended in 1947 ....... go get a lyf for urself.... n as a niche .... people frm forces also par taxes and that too honestly .... not lyk others who try to escape from it...
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by sri on Apr 27, 2010 09:29 PM
You dont seem the kind of guy who pays his taxes! People like you are lazy, mama's boys, who tease girls at street side corners and have their fathers find jobs for them. If there is a war tomorrow, people like you will be hiding in their houses asking other people to be brave. Cowards who cannot understand or respect the armed forces have no place in society!
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by yogesh tyagi on Apr 27, 2010 09:22 PM
pity on your poor knowledge.... u dont know the f**k abt forces..
Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Vijay Mehta on Apr 27, 2010 09:25 PM
Sachin, Why are you so rude on saying Service to country. He is right, the way he is going to serve the country very few people do that. All rest of INDIANS enjoy their lives on the stake of these young people's lives. Buddy you can also enjoy all facilities. Nobody will stop you. Go pass the exams and get all free services but donot run back to home when bullets passes over your head.
Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by noel on Apr 27, 2010 09:31 PM
hey don't preach Mr. Vijay, if you choose to join the armed forces it's your choice, don't feel overly proud of it and don't call it a national service, it's a job and fighting enemies is part of the job, as are the cocktails and parties of peace time (which is permanent in the present world). Armed forces is another job and nothing more or less.
Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by sri on Apr 27, 2010 09:49 PM
There is a huge difference. People like you (and me) chose lucrative, cushy, and safe jobs. The people who join the army know the huge risks to their lives and sacrifice a lot more than we do. They have to face some of the toughest abuse from their superiors as part of toughening up. I am sure if your boss said the kind of things these guys have to hear, you will go crying all the way to the courts about abuse and harassment.
Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Pramod P on Apr 27, 2010 09:56 PM
I agree its a job but not as easy some made it sounds... Just go to Srinagar and interiors or Northeast and see.. esp the army and its jawans... they r on their legs with those heavy arms and bags for hours together in extreme cold and rain... and you never know when the next bomb will go off... if you cant apprecte them atleast dont belittle them...
Re: Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Sulpha on Apr 27, 2010 10:13 PM
@Sachin The reason you gave is really foolish....It hurts for you to see them playing..hahah funny... Think of it this way...you have to keep yourself physically fit for the your entire life so taht you go and fight when the time comes..so you got to train yourself everyday..by playing or some form of physical activity...you know how much calories you need just to say do all this physical work...I mean even just walk for an hour in ths sun, all you lunch is drained...so lets not get into the eating and playing part..I hope you dont want some fat a$$ fighting who cannot run, nor climb for more than a min. It is endurance my friend..go to gym consistently for 365 days in a year..tell me one day how you feel when you are just lazy in your bed..i am sure it feels like heaven...Physical work is not as easy as you think...And the other side is to be mentally tough...Trust me. my friend is in the army he says..he goes and drags bodies from the electric fence every other day..or just dead bodies with guns that they shot the previous night...etc Do you think you can get over those thoughts in the night...So the price you pay for all these while sitting in your ac office is very less. be fortunate that some one out there is doing the dirty job for us here....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by sachin bhutada on Apr 27, 2010 10:21 PM
Agreed Sir....is there a way to take my words back on rediff.Apologies to all people i have offended
Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 28, 2010 02:29 AM
With Parties one does not put his/her life on line In forces one does. Parties are there for enjoyment and forces are there to protect those who enjoy. A shot extra of a coktail will not bleed you to death far away in wilderness away from your nears and dears but a bullet will. ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO BITE A BULLET INSTEAD OF A COCKTAIL. I HAVE MY DOUBTS.
Re: Re: Re: Re: it is not nation service,it is self service.
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 28, 2010 02:32 AM
@sachin bhutada, I don't think you have offended any one (not me any way it is just a matter of opinion and yours is a bit out of line. THERE IS NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.
