Fiona & Psuedo, I know you both have some relatives migrated to Oz. As long as they are in technical jobs welder, electrician nothing to worry. You will face wrath of the whites only on high paid jobs where you compete with them. But I hope Indians do select other lucrative places in the world like even china-shanghai which is a better place to earn a well paid world recognised degree, rather than australian degree that has no value. Its really a billion dollar scam of Oz universities to lure innocent asians, luring them with PR etc. and making them work on night shifts for cleaning, washing etc. thats a fact & i see it everyday. Indians, please realise that India is an amazing country today with lots of opportunity. If you certainly need foreign degree or foreign citizenship, please make a choice of country where u can live with self respect & earn more and be happy. Whats the use of dying as every day after investing millions in a degree & citizenship. Opportunities are everywhere. Please do not be fooled by University bodies who do the job of promoting their business hook/crook and agencies who promote citizenship. This is a billion dollar scam involving heavy weight politicians on either side i.e India as well as Australia. All are after your money, once you pay them...you are gone..Dreams turn sour and you end up poorer en miserable in life then ever.
Re: Re: Don't be fooled by University Marketers & PR sellers
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 12:23 PM
AP: Since in your opinion, these Melbourne attacks were not Racist, Reports in IANS, My own experience during my visit to the country and flying their airline are contrary to your belief.
Could you please tell me why is Rediff for instance hell bent on posting threads after threads where writers( Indian and now Aussie citizens) who say that they have gone thru. Racist attacks some where down the years and have given a long list of do 's and dont's. I think I will believe you and say that either Rediff has cooked up a yarn to fool me into cursing a superb country. Can you please explain.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Don't be fooled by University Marketers & PR
by manoj kumar on Jun 10, 2009 03:54 PM
if you also wanna curse australia then you are also free to
Re: Re: Re: Re: Don't be fooled by University Marketers & PR
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 12:34 PM
AP: I dint mean to knife you or offend you with my post. However, you are trying to tell me something about Australia and its Multi Cultured way of life and stopping short at it. The EXPLAIN was not an order kind of thing or a taunt, If you felt offended by it, accept my apologies.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don't be fooled by University Marketers &
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 01:00 PM
AP: Thanks for this. I am all for these investigations to conclude and come up with a concrete theory on to why Indians are the ones who are targeted by this so called victims of the recent global economic turmoil. I believe in the law of the land and am sure it will deliver justice to the Indian Lambs. Moresoever, I agree with you that Aussie justice will deliver must faster then our own Desi system. Lets wait till then.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don't be fooled by University Marketers &
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 12:44 PM
Guest:
All I was pointing out was the reality that Australia is a multi-cultural society.... there is no such thing as an "Australian" (except for a very small percentage perhaps of the classic definition).. Your average Australian comes from Bangalore, from Mumbai, from Shangahi, from Hong Kong, from Vietnam, from Thailand, from Lebanon, from Greece, from Poland,.... from wherever... and yes from Britain too...
So what I fail to understand in this whole spirited debate is "who is attacking whom" and "who is racist"?
There certainly are crimes and criminals... and in this era of global crisis, its on the up more than you'd have wished it to be...
Today (or rather last night) there was another stabbing in a Sydney suburb.... is anyone talking about it here?.... No... Why?.... coz the victim was an "Australian"... i.e. non-Indian...
So I dunno what's happening here ... trying to paint the picture as if those innocent lambs of Indian students are being led to their death in this savage country of blood thirsty criminals or something....
I am just trying to stay away from that methodical madness.... let the investigations happen.... let something come out of it.... and THEN lets comment....
Re: Don't be fooled by University Marketers & PR sellers
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 12:18 PM
Whiteman, are you first class white or second class white?
This is really serious and sensative issue for the India and the Australia. The recent incident can make bad impression in the world for Australia. The recent incident could make effect on Indian and Australian relations. I think, some communitiies are activate against foreign peoples in Australia. They are trying expand his community through drugs and alcohol in Australian youth. It could possible, Australian people are upset on Australian government for foreign affairs issues. Australian government have to give confidence to people for foreign strategy.
Few tips to biharis who are subjects of ridicule in metroes. remember, biharis are treated the same as indians are in some of these countries. follow these rules till bihar improves and offers u something to come back. being rediculed by ur own countrymen is worse that facing it in a foreign land. 1. Avoid speaking in bihari accent in public places. This annoys the people and leads to a negative impression about bihari mentality 2. Try to use khari Hindi, marathi or punjabi depending on where u r. or better still improve ur spoken english 3. Be polite while asking for something 4. remember u r at these places because ur state is backward and doesn't offer any jobs. 5. Do not react to negative comments 6. Stay away from mobs and crowds of youngsters 7. Do not visit pubs and night clubs
Australia has 4 specific visible human classes. First the former british, who still rule as whites in the government (most politicians, sportsmen from this class). Second the british whites who have been traditionally criminals. These are genetically the white criminals of UK and the other british colonies taken to australia as labour for punishment or reform. These are basically the trouble maker families with absolute maniacal genetic disorders. You may find these whites languishing yet in jails across the world, specifically asia as habitual drug traffickers, human traffickers & sex offenders. Third the Aborigines are limited to perth as the original australian inhabitants and last the expat race-asians in big number that now do business in hotels, groceries and fuel stations. The politically strong whites who do farming & mining, have rather not done enough to reform the second class whites that are the trouble makers. In fact you can find these whites hanging around in Bali, Dubai, Sydney, Goa, Macau, Florida, Hawaii & the bahamas on drug money, prostitution and all illegal business activities. Its not known why the australian government has not cracked upon these second class whites & taken steps to educationally reform them. Politically these second class whites are a major vote bank as a backward class and hence all successive govts in australia have refrained from strong action.
Re: Second Class white citizens the troublemakers
by Whiteman on Jun 01, 2009 11:59 AM
Fiona & Psuedo, I know you both have some relatives migrated to Oz. As long as they are in technical jobs welder, electrician nothing to worry. You will face wrath of the whites only on high paid jobs where you compete with them. But I hope Indians do select other lucrative places in the world like even china-shanghai which is a better place to earn a well paid world recognised degree, rather than australian degree that has no value. Its really a billion dollar scam of Oz universities to lure innocent asians, luring them with PR etc. and making them work on night shifts for cleaning, washing etc. thats a fact & i see it everyday.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Second Class white citizens the troublemakers
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:48 AM
AP: I live in India, however I have India Abroad News Service (IANS) which keeps on highlighting on NRI' sin Australia who are now permanent residents or citizens, complaining of religious bias.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Second Class white citizens the troublemakers
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:52 AM
Guest:
Since you are relying on media and TV and IANS.... I will politely excuse myself from the discussion... there are others relying on those devices and jumping on these discussions.... you are welcome to carry on sparring with them....
Re: Re: Second Class white citizens the troublemakers
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 11:37 AM
In Kandhamal and Mangalore police didint register any FIRs.
Re: Re: Re: Second Class white citizens the troublemakers
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:39 AM
Lobo...I am sure you know you are bluffing, the cases were registered immediately, I saw LIVE ON TV, when the Cops hurled in Ram Sene guys from the pub itself. In Kandamhal too, the FIR's were registered, else how would the SC conduct the inquiries thereon?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Second Class white citizens the troublemakers
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:46 AM
Guest:
Which TV did you watch to get the information that no case was registered in Melbourne?.... For some reason you have a lot more faith in 100 than in 000..... curious..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Second Class white citizens the troublemakers
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:50 AM
AP: Thank you for twisting my words and trying to pin me down.
However, I refered to the TV for Mangalore and Kandamhal and not Melbourne.
Rediff has a report here which says what I have mentioned.
I am sure Rediff COOKED UP THE STORY, however, I am quoting that report.
last time i checked ozz was suppossed to be a free democratic country!
do not speak in hindi do not carry flashy items do not show off your ipods etc etc
is this another way to say the ozzie police is incompetant, so take care of yourselves?
actually this brings oz on par with india! in india we too say to phoren deviyon do not expose and wear bikini etc etc...so ozzie land is actually not quite that much developed as compared to india! so with open arms we welcome oz who we have promoted UP into our stratosphere!! hehehe
Re: hmmm........
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:24 AM
Arun N:
Yeah.... in India we have never heard of late night train muggings, but we can certainly teach Aussies a thing or two about daylight college murders....
Re: Re: hmmm........
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 11:30 AM
u think?!! but you've missed the point...the problem is not just of crimes, but the response of the government to it! the pol comm of melbourne actually said that indian students should not flash so many costly things! its like asking australia not be be so "developed"! if there is afire and u call the fire brigade, u dont expect them to tell you how to put out the fire but to coem there and do it themselves! in this case why do we need police otherwise? the army can also control civil disobedience in the country!
Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 11:45 AM
well honestly, dude, i havent participated in any so i wudn't knwo if we have export quality! i wud still consider ozzies to be so developed to be better in that field too!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 12:16 PM
well we cud go on like this all day, fact is you dont have the education enough to agree when you are wrong...you're straying, distracting, weaving in and out of all the issue just to hide the flaw in your arguement! i have no diea what party king hits are so please explain the normal jibberish you pepper your posts with, o chatking! just to add to your statement, they found bal's wallet intact with him...he wasn't robbed after all! care to commit that to your memory? cioa now kiddo.....gotta work for a living unlike you! but then.... I'll be back! :D
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 12:32 PM
Arun N:
YOU evaded my question about Merrylands.... so apparently YOUR internet search is not fast enough.... And obviously its YOU who has been feeding me stuff from the Internet searches you have heretofore amassed..... CIAO.... Stay well in India.... cheers...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 12:00 PM
well, either u havent been in oz or are trying very hard to prove you're not there! indians are among the most simple dressed or gadgetted ppl in oz! yet they get attacked for thier "gadgets" think about it, of these youths who were attacked, how many were robbed? 2 were atatcked in a party with 20 other plp in it one in a train, but robbery was not the motive one was attacked in the house, robbery was not the motive as the thief was never inside the house apparently! care to elaborate? and then when the police comes out with such statements it feels like 2 2=5!! tell me if i'm wrong! and yeah i agree crime cannot be zero but can easily be enforced to make sure it is not so needlessly violent either!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 12:22 PM
:) still evading answering my questions? what happened? internet search not fast enough?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:55 AM
Arun N:
No amount of development can ensure ZERO crime rate..... all that the police commissioner advised Indians (and I'm sure people in general) is NOT to flash valuables when on late night trains or situations prone to mugging.... that doesn't prove that Oz crime situation becomes similar to India... Even US has the Mafia hit areas and "don't go there after sundown" warnings...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 12:07 PM
Arun N:
Party "King Hits" are nothing new and certainly nothing reserved only for Indians.... Given that you have opened up the discussion now, you perfectly know it, I'm sure..
If you heard Baljinder's statements about his delay in reaching for his wallet whereupon he was stabbed, you won't say robbery wasn't the motive... Care to comment on Merrylands stabbing yesterday?.... Victim Wasn't an Indian, so you can pretend some amnesia here.... :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:39 AM
Lobo...I am sure you know you are bluffing, the cases were registered immediately, I saw LIVE ON TV, when the Cops hurled in Ram Sene guys from the pub itself. In Kandamhal too, the FIR's were registered, else how would the SC conduct the inquiries thereon?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 11:47 AM
i wudn't put my money on it! registring a case is different and catching the culprits who were seen on tv with thier hand in the cookie jar by the entire country is comepltely different!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm........
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:47 AM
Guest:
Which TV did you watch to get the information that no case was registered in Melbourne?.... For some reason you have a lot more faith in 100 than in 000..... curious..
60 years of our Independence, we have become the 4th largest economy in the world and our government cannot empower education in India. The existing universities are crying for help but they are given QUOTA SYSTEMS, lesser money and are compelled to DIVIDE STUDENTS ON CASTE BASIS.
This means the education cess collected by the Manmohan Singh government has gone down the drain, why werent existing universities empowered with money and staff, why wasnt the quality of education improved then, why did not the government refuse to allow any kind of discrimination ( caste based quotas) in education then.
The answer is this government wants Foreign universities to set up shop in India, Kapil Sibal the new Minister has already made his government's diabolical plan open to the public.
These foreign universities will CANNOT BE MONITERED BY ANY INDIAN AUTHORITY and god only knows what hate,venom they will preach to convert more people to their religions.
We have to stop this, EDUCATION IS GOD it must be im partial for everybody all citizens of our gr8 lands.
Empower our own local knowledge,talent rather then playing fool and bring in Foreign universities.
It is my firm belief, that the government is compelling parents to send their wards off to distant countries for education as the govt. is not opening quality institutes in India.
Re: Re: Blame our own govt. for these attacks.
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:39 AM
Lobo...I am sure you know you are bluffing, the cases were registered immediately, I saw LIVE ON TV, when the Cops hurled in Ram Sene guys from the pub itself. In Kandamhal too, the FIR's were registered, else how would the SC conduct the inquiries thereon?
Re: Re: Re: Blame our own govt. for these attacks.
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:47 AM
Guest:
Which TV did you watch to get the information that no case was registered in Melbourne?.... For some reason you have a lot more faith in 100 than in 000..... curious..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Blame our own govt. for these attacks.
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 12:07 PM
AP: Thank you for twisting my words and trying to pin me down.
However, I refered to the TV for Mangalore and Kandamhal and not Melbourne.
Rediff has a report here which says what I have mentioned.
I am sure Rediff COOKED UP THE STORY, however, I am quoting that report.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blame our own govt. for these attacks.
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 12:16 PM
Guest:
If you read what Bhavik Bhatt has to say in the above article, you'll know why these incidents aren't registered.... purely becoz they are not reported in the first place....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blame our own govt. for these attacks.
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 12:26 PM
AP: I read what Bhavik wrote, it is a possibility that say 90% of the cases are not registered and so shoved under the carpet. However, this brings forth another disturbing fact, that Racists attacks/slurs do happen in Australia. I think it is the duty of the Indian student populace and the diaspora to encourage all to register even a RACIAL SLUR with the Cops.
Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Australian government. They are doing their best to help Indians. After all they need not have to take care of Indians but still they do. Be grateful to them.
Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Australi
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 11:17 AM
fiona i wish u were named lilly so we cud ask u not to be silly!! india alone generates over 2 billion $ revenue in education alone...calculate along with that all associated living costs etc etc and yes they pay tax too! so shouldn't they have thier rights too?? else let the ozzie govt exempt them from taxes
Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Australi
by insan on Jun 01, 2009 11:16 AM
why shouldnt Australian take care of Indian Citizen.If they cant ....they should not Invite any Indian there for further studies or dont charge any fee to Indians .
Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Aust
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 11:20 AM
It is also the Indians who want to go there and enjoy. Decision entirely lay with INdians whether to go there or not.
Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Australi
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:16 AM
Lobo:
Thanx for "lobbing" your stuff out here.... FYI no body is blaming the Australian Government... we are discussing some wayward teens currently on a criminal rampage specifically against Indian students....
Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Aust
by Arun N on Jun 01, 2009 11:19 AM
hmmm iwas wondering where this guy dissapeared after the election results!! welcome back pseudos!
Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 11:37 AM
In Kandhamal and Mangalore police didint register any FIRs.
Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Australi
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:14 AM
Christian(Read Racists) Aussies will never try to mend fences with colored population.
Australia till the 60's had WHITES ONLY immigration policy.
Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Aust
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 11:16 AM
You are right. BUt they have changed their policies and approach in the wake of globalization.
Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:17 AM
And have proved that they still are White loving Racists scums. The incidents of the past few days underline this policy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 11:18 AM
It is natural. Dont expect them to treat u nicely. If they do, treat it as their goodness. Think how you treat african blacks and whites? Whats ur attitude towards British ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:23 AM
I treat anybody with respect, In my university I had many African, Iranians( I loath Musl1ms though) and students of other nationality's. I always respected their culture, beliefs etc.
Being a H1ndu, this is natural for me to do. I have a good solid culture, an ancient civilization to guide me to being a good human being.
I have always helped everybody who came for help at my time at the University, I had good academical record and I helped others with it and have also assisted many with finances.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:20 AM
AP: Aman Kachroo was murdered in Himachal Pradesh by nincompoops who think that they can bully their way on being SENIORS, basically they are cowards. I propose a strong policy against RAGGING IN OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. Any ragger must be locked up for 25 years and must be socially ostracized.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 11:38 AM
In Kandhamal and Mangalore police didint register any FIRs.
Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:18 AM
No Pal...what I am trying to say is white christian racist scum will never improve.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:35 AM
AP: My ex lives in Australia and I firmly believe in what she wrote to me. Discrimination in Australia is there for good, it will never go. The religious angle is an opinion shared by many.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:40 AM
Guest:
Since you believe your ex I won't contradict your beliefs..... but obviously you know next to nothing about Australia and its mutlicultarlism.... so I will leave you to keep thinking whatever keeps you happy...
Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Australi
by Sandy war on Jun 01, 2009 11:22 AM
why not Australian police/government is not suppose to take care of indians. that means if any australian student come here he should also be assulted .. such a idiot remarks you are giving. when somebody visit other country it is there responsibily.
Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the Aust
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:24 AM
Aussie Police dint even register a case, it was after our media caught up and their media highlighted it, they registered a case. We colored people are safe only in our country.
Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the
by Fiona Lobo on Jun 01, 2009 11:35 AM
In Kandhamal and Mangalore police didint register any FIRs.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:37 AM
Lobo...I am sure you know you are bluffing, the cases were registered immediately, I saw LIVE ON TV, when the Cops hurled in Ram Sene guys from the pub itself. In Kandamhal too, the FIR's were registered, else how would the SC conduct the inquiries thereon?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 12:08 PM
AP: Thank you for twisting my words and trying to pin me down.
However, I refered to the TV for Mangalore and Kandamhal and not Melbourne.
Rediff has a report here which says what I have mentioned.
I am sure Rediff COOKED UP THE STORY, however, I am quoting that report.
Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame the
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:29 AM
Guest:
Yeah... only in our country are we safe from train attacks.... it's a different matter that our students face crime on campus like Aman Khachroo did... But of course Aman was perfectly safe, coz he wasn't in Australia...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont blame
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:33 AM
AP: You are getting me wrong. Quite frankly, I have read only little about the AMAN KACHROO tragedy, I have based my opinion on media reports. I am not sure if any CASTE OR RELIGION was the reason behind his untimely death? The fact is that I studied in an Indian University and dint come across any RACIST kind of attacks on anybody, yes we had our differences, but they were on the lines of youth etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Guest on Jun 01, 2009 11:45 AM
AP: All attacks on immigrant population in Australia are racist. I went there as tourist and had to go thru. the same racist slur, I have flown Qantas many a times and have gone thru. it from the Air Hostess too. I am sure you differ with me, else please TEACH ME how to understand the term RACIST SLUR OR ATTACK.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia is a beautiful country. Plz dont bl
by Against Pseudos on Jun 01, 2009 11:58 AM
Guest:
"All attacks on immigrant population in Australia are racist".... When you have already given the judgment, I don't see any point in debating with you....
What makes you think that all attacks on foreign tourists in India are NOT racist?...
