Re: communalisiation by reactionary journalism
by charan singh on May 28, 2009 01:03 PM
hey Ms Or Mr. (don't know) how much money did you got from communal elements for writing this article. A very big shame on yo... and journa...lism if every journalist is like you.
Re: communalisiation by reactionary journalism
by charan singh on May 28, 2009 01:04 PM
hey Ms Or Mr. Renu Mittal (don't know) how much money did you got from communal elements for writing this article. A very big shame on yo... and journa...lism if every journalist is like you.
THE IDEA of "appeasement" is strongly embedded in public debates about the privileges that India's religious minorities are supposed to be enjoying. It has become such a powerful political idea that it has percolated into popular discourse as well. To a lesser extent, this notion is used also in discussions on caste — appeasement is an accusatory description of the constitutional system of reservation for the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and the Other Backward Castes. The political jousting about appeasement on a caste basis is still a delicate issue. But as Indian society has become increasingly divided on communal lines, such delicacy does not visit discussions about the so-called privileges enjoyed by India's Mslim citizens. No political party, not even the Congress, has tried to propagate or practice the secular ethos. The Mslims are included in different electoral strategies, not in developmental targets
Re: appeasement my foot
by Imran on May 28, 2009 12:51 PM
But does the idea of appeasement have any basis in fact? Like all powerful but divisive ideas this too belongs to the realm of imagination. Ever since the Rajiv Gandhi Government cynically modified Mslim personal law after the Shah Bano judgment in the mid-1980s (which was equally cynically balanced by the opening of the locks on the Babri Masjid), the accusations of `reverse' discrimination have been legion. Article 370 on Jammu and Kashmir, the absence of a common civil code and the special rights of minority educational institutions are some of the examples dredged up to fan the communal debate. No mention here, of course, of the privileges enjoyed by the majority community, the best example being the tax advantages conferred on Hndu Undivided Families.
Re: Re: appeasement my foot
by Imran on May 28, 2009 12:53 PM
One way to subject this notion of appeasement to critical examination is to list the special rights enjoyed by each religious group and assess the rationale of, or its absence for, each privilege. Another is to ask if the members of the religious minorities — especially Mslims — now enjoy a superior social and economic position, as they must be if the state has been "appeasing" them while discriminating against members of the religious majority. It only takes a naked eye to observe that Mslims on the average are not by any standard at an economically higher level than the Hndus. No reference to the retail outlets and restaurants that are owned by the Mslims or the remittances that they receive from relatives working in West Asia or even to refurbished mosques can distort the picture of a community that as a whole is disadvantageously placed in comparison to Indians who belong to all other religions. Of course, prejudices cannot countenance honest observation.
Re: Re: Re: appeasement my foot
by Imran on May 28, 2009 12:55 PM
The story then is that in a poor society, the members of this minority religion are more likely to be at the bottom of the heap. Their economic conditions are as remote as possible from living off the fruits of state "appeasement". The NSS does not provide information on shelter, health, nutrition and other socio-economic indicators. If such information was available the larger picture would be in more black and white terms. Official data tell us that during a decade which saw a growing geographical ghettoisation of the Muslim community, it was also living in economic ghettos.
Re: Re: Re: Re: appeasement my foot
by Vishwamithran TKB on May 28, 2009 04:15 PM
Poverty and and penury was impossed on Muslims by their own leaders. Still the mindset is not changed. They are generally against mainstream education. And I don't want to mention how they increase in numbers without basic ameneties. It is unfair on the part of Muslims to ask for quota and special previleges from the government. People like you can take a step to change the mindset of your religious leaders to improve the lives instead of begging obliquely to the government sidelining and dormating the majority community.
Re: Re: appeasement my foot
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:55 PM
Go on talking about your st(u)pid foot, it is this very appeasement which cost the Congress 20 years.
Drill this in your head, no party in India can win with H1ndus and Indics.
Congress has now finally emerged as a TRUE SECULAR party in these elections.
Appeasing Minorities will stop now and appeasing Majority Indics will begin.
Re: Re: Re: appeasement my foot
by Imran on May 28, 2009 01:01 PM
Dude we also don’t need special treatment but we also don’t want to be marginalized got it. Even without any kind of appeasement all sanghis are behind us so we can imagine what will happen when we r really appesed which is ruled out.
Re: Re: Re: Re: appeasement my foot
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 01:07 PM
After all this years and the amounts of money given to your leaders for your development you say you are marginalized, then you confirm my belief that you guys are perennial cry babies.
At the time of Independence, we all started together, look how 60% of H1ndus have progressed and look where you people are.
That is your problem and not the Government of India's.
We have tolerated you and your ever increasing demands for such a long time, but their has to be a stop to it.
I want the Congress of the Indiraji days, a right leaning centrist party.
This view is shared by millions of people, then so be it.
Why should millions change their views to appease you people?
Re: appeasement my foot
by deshbhakt on May 28, 2009 02:01 PM
With over 75% H1ndu majority, H1ndus have been paying almost all the direct and indirect taxes. So what is wrong in having a tax benefir got a H1ndu Undivided Family? And we H1ndus are been subsiding all your trips to Saudi and Jerusalesm (A.P.) through our tax money and also looting of our holy places by endownments departments for both - state exchequer and personal funds
Congress winning in India is something like a slave scenario. If there is a war between India and pak, Indian army should get permission from president, president forwards to cabinet, a few cabinet members opposes, PM asks Janpath, Janpath agrees and forwards to president, in mean time social activists, human rights activists, women activists oppose the military and calls it as talibinization of Indian military for attack against pak. So India will go back to ahimsa way of protesting as it followed before independence. THis way shows that India cannot progress.
2004 and 2009 elections have shown clearly that the voters are tired of the communal violence and talk of communal violence used by these right wing parties. WHile 2004 was a small start, 2009 was clear indication of how fed up the voter is with the right wing parties. In 2014 Congress will get 272 and the right wing parties share of seats will shrink and this will continue till they are marginalized. Very clearly these right wing parties and their supporters have not learnt as one can witness from the anti-communal messages on this forum - voters have no patience for this talk and the share of right wing seats will shrink to less than 100 by 2014.
Re: Re: End of the right wing parties
by chandra singh on May 28, 2009 02:26 PM
This is politics dear dont make such comments, in 1989 congress could not win even a single seat in UP, so dont draw any conclusions.
Re: End of the right wing parties
by rakesh on May 28, 2009 12:44 PM
At the same time minority appeasement will also stop. The new generation of young leaders of 'winning party' of 2004,2009 and 2014, unlike their forefathers started realising that there no need to appease mullas and moulivis anymore.
Re: End of the right wing parties
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:45 PM
I beg to differ with you, During Indiraji's rule Congress ideologically was a Right to Center party, the economic policies were left leaning, however, the ideology was right leaning. This is believe was the correct combination. Ever since Congress adopted this suicidal policy of minority appeasement in the late 80's, they have been going down hill again. Their core H1ndu,Dal1t and Indic vote share shrunk drastically. We are seeing a renaissance of the Congress party, which is doing the right thing by sidelining the minorities. They must bring back their right leaning attitude and win hearts and minds of H1ndus,S1khs,Buddh1sts and other Indics.
I always used to say that I’m not a big fan of cong bcoz they have only used mulsms as vote banks and bjp used to target as as though we were the most appeased community on the contrary we r in the same bracket as dalits. Cong has done unjustice to muslms by not representing them in the cabinet as they require leaders to help them elevate from backwardness. Cong is taking muslms for granted as they feel they will vote for them no matter what due to fear of bjp.
Re: Re: what a ploy
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:13 PM
Desert Fox....
L0l...very true. BTW, who gives this guy the bright idea of comparing himselves/his community with out dal1t brothers. Dal1ts are Indians, they have been living in these lands for centuries and accept all laws of this country.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by Rationalist on May 28, 2009 12:37 PM
That is called political conversion and Xianity is a poltical ideology. It has nothing to do with Jesus.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by charan singh on May 28, 2009 12:46 PM
Imran please don't get flown away by such articles. You know all these politicians whether Hindu, Sikh or Muslim. All are sons of corruption. This article is also polictically motivated to birng instability in the govt. If Sensex goes up or job opportunities goes up it will good for every Indian in a big way. I have got a lot of musllim friends who are working in good IT and BPO firms and mind it they are just like us enjoying their life to full.
And can you trust that if a Muslim leader from your wanted area becomes a minister, he will do wonders for the Muslim community. I will say yes at least he will do good for his personal supporters or chamchas open new Madrassas and hand over their control to these chamchas who will then exploit their own people to get money from them. And this is common in every religion. It is not Hindu vs Muslims. It is basically Hindu vs. Hindu and Muslim vs Muslim and Sikh vs sikh.
So bro you are a literate man behave like a literate man. Don't get blown away by emotions. Be strong and condemn others who are writing such comments.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:39 PM
You are a bufoon and you dont understand my comments, Congress got wiped out in TN, due to the Conversion issue. Look at Maharashtra,MP,Rajasthan,Gujarat,UP...the won seats over there due to support from H1ndu and Dal1t communities.
Also, Punjab, where the Dalit Sikhs voted in big numbers for the Congress.
You are the joke and thankfully Congress has realized its folly.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by Imran on May 28, 2009 12:46 PM
U are a moron who cant understand poltics cong won with huge majority in UP, Kerala, UP bcoz muslms voted to keep bjp out
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:52 PM
I think you and sadaf are the same fellows, coz he asked me the same question. Anyways, my reply is who gave you the bright idea that UP/WB/Kerala have you Musl1ms in majority?
FYI, in UP Congress candidates lost their deposits in 59 seats,why?
Coz H1ndus and Dalits dont vote for them.
You people are the real reason for this condition of this gr8 party.
This is a very sound policy by the Congress in choosing its ministers, this will send positive signals to the Indics in this country without whom Congress can never win convincingly.
FYI, Congress fielded many Musl1m candidates in Maharashtra, they all lost. Including,so called heavy weights like A R Antulay.
H1ndus will never accept Musl1ms as their candidates, accept it.
Re: what a ploy
by Anil Kulkarni on May 28, 2009 12:27 PM
The earlier the muslims in India come to understand that they are being used,the ealier is better.
Re: what a ploy
by charan singh on May 28, 2009 12:50 PM
Imran please don't get flown away by such articles. You know all these politicians whether Hindu, Sik2h or Mus@lim. All are sons of corrupti@on. This article is also polictically motivated to birng instability in the govt. If Sensex goes up or job opportunities goes up it will good for every Indian in a big way. I have got a lot of mus@llim friends who are working in good IT and BPO firms and mind it they are just like us enjoying their life to full.
And can you trust that if a Musl@im leader from your wanted area becomes a minister, he will do wonders for the Musli@m community. I will say yes at least he will do good for his personal supporters or chamchas open new Mad@rassas and hand over their control to these chamchas who will then explo@it their own people to get money from them. And this is common in every religion. It is not Hindu vs@ Muslims. It is basically Hindu v@ Hindu and Muslim v@ Muslim and Sikh v@ sikh.
So bro you are a literate man be@have like a literate man. Don't get blown away by emotions. Be strong and condemn others who are writing such comments.
I always used to say that I’m not a big fan of cong bcoz they have only used mulsms as vote banks and bjp used to target as as though we were the most appeased community on the contrary we r in the same bracket as dalits. Cong has done unjustice to muslms by not representing them in the cabinet as they require leaders to help them elevate from backwardness. Cong is taking muslms for granted as they feel they will vote for them no matter what due to fear of bjp.
Re: what a ploy
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:11 PM
Ha Ha ha.....You guys have been given the business in these elections by the H1ndus,S1khs,Buddh1sts and other Indics by voting in large numbers for the Congress.
Result : 206 seats.
Now that the Congress is doing the right things, you want to cry foul?
What is you people's contribution to the country or the Congress with this regards.
For the past 20 years,Congress has been wooing you people and see where did they end up.
Now they have regained their senses and realized who voted for them in big numbers and so the Ministry should look accordingly. This is done not to hurt the Majority community who voted for them this time.
Get Packing. Congress has come back to its senses.
Re: Re: what a ploy
by Imran on May 28, 2009 12:19 PM
We dont need any special treatment according to our population we need to be represented adequately. This is just the start there are 5 more years to go so don’t blow ur trumpet so soon. We have hope on MSS that he will do justice to the backward people no matter if he is hin@u or m@lm
Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:21 PM
Yes....I know, then support the Congress in: 1. Building Ram Mandir 2. Implementing UCC 3. Abbrogation of Article 370. Build your respect with the rest of Indians. What is stopping you?
We want the non discriminatory days of Indiraji to come back.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by Imran on May 28, 2009 12:29 PM
Thr is enough real esate dedicated to temples and mosques in india u keep dreaming abt it
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:41 PM
No but Congress supporters want the Ram Mandir at the same place, after all Rajivji opened the locks to the complex and Narasimhaji played his cards shrewdly during the kar sevaks agitation, why? Coz at heart they were h1ndus and they knew that the temple must be built at the same place.
Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by Rationalist on May 28, 2009 12:31 PM
According to your population? First learn to control it. Just for sake of dominating do'nt increase it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what a ploy
by Desert Fox on May 28, 2009 12:34 PM
Just multiplying is not going to help. Congress and all parties are aware of this growing menace. The population will be curbed. Its a question when does this start.
Re: Jai Maharashtra
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 11:51 AM
Maharashtra is a shining example on why Congress wins, they dont go to appease the minorities, they focus on the majority H1ndu and Buddh1sts and see Maharashtra has never ditched the Congress.
Re: Re: Re: Jai Maharashtra
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:19 PM
Your foot is as st(u)pid as you. Congress has realized its folly and is on the right path.
You people had almost destroyed the party, H1ndus and Indics have revived it again.
This will be the trend hereon, take it or leave it.
Re: Re: Congress will build Ram Mandir....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 11:24 AM
I am telling ya, all they have to do is to actually do each and everything from the BJP Manifesto, which was superb and see who can touch the Congress then for the next 100 years.
I am more interested in Congress doing:
1. Ram Mandir 2. Not hurting Indic sentiments at all. 3. Implement UCC 4. Cancel 370 law for J & K.
Just imagine, should they do this, they will have no opposition at all.
This policy of minority appeasement is nauseating, why should the Congress do this?
I say bring back your focus on the Indics and reap the benefits.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress will build Ram Mandir....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 11:46 AM
Desert Fox....
Why do you say not possible? Nothing under the sun is not possible, When Rajivji realized the folly behind the Ram Mandir issue, he opened the locks, Narasimharaoji by not taking strict action against the kar sevaks chipped in. After all they were H1ndus. It is possible.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress will build Ram Mandir....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 11:44 AM
The you will be crushed under the might of the Indian army.
Re: Re: Congress will build Ram Mandir....
by sourav on May 28, 2009 12:00 PM
Communal elements will be surprised that it was J.Nehru who advocated UCC. But was of the opinion that once the minorities are ready and ask for it then state will go for UCC.
The irony is that because that the fundamentalist are asking for UCC that it's virtues are lost, and minorities are afraid.
Re: Re: Re: Congress will build Ram Mandir....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 12:02 PM
sourav..
You are right, Congress too is a H1ndu party. They have no choice. They tried their level best to bank on supports from these minorities and lost their way. They must appease the Indic religion sentiments and no body can beat them again.
Please see the background of young Ministers. All most of all young Ministers of MMS selected by Rahul Gandhi are crorepatis and sons or daughters, nephews, of Senior congressmen who where Ministers in the earlier Congress Govt. No body is from a Kissan or poor family. They will do only salvery of Sonia Gandhi dynasty.
