I think I answered your question perfectly. Terrorism in India had nothing to do with the communal violence. If they were linked we would have had a problem in 1970 of thereof.
Kashmir came up thanks to Rajivji ill decision of continuing with the NC government in polls that were widely believed to be rigged.
The Post Rath yatra riots too were expected. The Bombay Bombings thereafter were more doing of show of strength by the underworld in disguise of reprisal to the rath yatra.
All what has happened since 2000 is also all nonsense,it is a known fact that the Pakistani's after their loss in the 1971 war with creation of Bangladesh had vowed to inflict a 100 cuts on India to bleed it to death.
Punjab,Kashmir they failed to secede them from India.
The bombings with some traitors in the country are more to the Pakistani policy to de stabilze India.
What is beyond me is that you people cooly forget the 60 plus deadly riots of the past since 1947,why coz Musl1ms had an upper hand in those riots?
only when h1ndus had upper hand the entire intelligentsia wakes up and start to shed crocodile tears.
Your assessment of linking the terror strikes to the happening sin 1992 and 2002 are completely baseless.
Congress till know kept on parroting on these non sensical lines and now thankfully it will drop adopting this line.
In a large and multi religious country like us such things happen, one has to move on, like we have done in the past.
Re: @Cool Difussion.....
by phukan barua on May 28, 2009 06:00 PM
the antinational english media want to high light any thing that is anti hindu anti BJP. for you information there a a far greater number of farmer deaths & deaths of adivasis in andhra then during the BJP rule. only the same is not highlighted by the english press . the reason mr gupta is because India happens to be one of the very few major countries in the world whose dominant media is controlled directly or indirectly by foreigners. The usurpation of control has actually been by Americans, much of it through surrogates of evangelical organisations that are in fact quasi-government agencies. In India, most English language media outlets, are, in effect, vying with each other to accelerate the fragmentation of India in consonance with Anglo-American goals.The alleged oppression of minorities is the political bridgehead that modern evangelical organisations have entrenched in the public consciousness, relentlessly distorting its reality and using it ruthlessly to fuel discontent within India. By deliberately misrepresenting the Godhra communal riots as genocide, though both communities suffered, the media has gleefully incited Islamic terrorist attacks against Hindus and harsh international condemnation of India.
Re: Re: @Cool Difussion.....
by phukan barua on May 28, 2009 06:01 PM
The alleged oppression of minorities is the political bridgehead that modern evangelical organisations have entrenched in the public consciousness, relentlessly distorting its reality and using it ruthlessly to fuel discontent within India. By deliberately misrepresenting the Godhra communal riots as genocide, though both communities suffered, the media has gleefully incited Islamic terrorist attacks against Hindus and harsh international condemnation of India. As a corollary, the rise of the BJP inspired them to equate mundane nationalist aspirations with the oxymoron of Hindu extremism. Yet, there is resounding silence on the role of the minority community in providing succour to Islamic terrorism through vote bank politics and concealment from attention
I pity MMS & Sonia Gandhi that they have selected Deshmukh the disgraced CM of Maharashtra/Farooq Abdullah in he cabinet. MMS is being guided wrongly by the coetrie.These two former CM's are the most corrupt and disgraced politicians and donot deserve a place in the Parliament at all.
Re: Congress blunders in portfolio management!!!!
by prem k on May 28, 2009 02:59 PM
MMS himself is building his own coterie. Look at M S Gill. What contribution does he have; is he even committed to the party? Luckily, Sonia scuttled the move the bring is M S Ahluwalia
Re: Congress blunders in portfolio management!!!!
by Sachin Agarkar on May 28, 2009 02:34 PM
Why u have problems with Deshmukh? He was quiet a competent CM....his only faux pax was getting his Bollywood connections to visit Taj the ter*orist attack venue....so Cong took action against him...other than that he was not a bad CM....and btw Cong has to dilute the marata power of Pawar with the assembly elections round the corner....u need to understand the Indian politics....nothing is perfect....but u can't blame Deshmukh...he was never charged with corruption or anything else....
Re: Re: Congress blunders in portfolio management!!!!
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 02:45 PM
Deshmukh is nothing but a Maratha leader and that is why he is so COMPETENT.
Deshmukh has messed up Maharashtra and being a Congress supporter I loath @ssoles like him.
He is corrupt to the core and he must be kicked out ASAP.
In such a big state, the Congress cannot find a suitable Maratha leader is beyond me.
Re: Re: Re: Congress blunders in portfolio management!!!!
by Sachin Agarkar on May 28, 2009 03:01 PM
tell me one scam against him....hez the pioneer of keeping Cong alive in marata dominated maharashtra.....and look at Bombay how it has improved as a city in last 10 years........
Re: Re: Re: Congress blunders in portfolio management!!!!
by prakash mahajan on May 28, 2009 03:03 PM
You sure are a Congressi, as much Advani is:)
Manohar Joshi is anytime willing to cross over to Congress, but doesnt have any mass appeal and he is a ghantiwala. Praful Patel can any time desert Sharad Pawar, but Praful is basically a Gujarati and belong to Vidarbh where the Maratha card is fragile. I thing it would be Dr. Padam Singh Patil from NCP (who is rich too) would ultimately head for Congress and replace Deshmoorkh.
Re: Congress blunders in portfolio management!!!!
by arunsharma on May 28, 2009 04:29 PM
ALL MUMBAIKARS SHOULD RISE AGAIN...ASSEMBLE AT THE GATE WAY OF INDIA....WHY IS DESHMUKH BACK,.....WE SHOULD ASK MANMOHAN...AND CONGRESS....PLS COMMENT AND JOIN IN THIS MOVEMENT
Is the writer a BJP ideologue or one whose politican vision is strongly entrenched in the belief that politics should be run on lines of caste, religion and numbers?
This is the first time in the democratic history of India that integrity, capability and performance have taken precedence over petty issues like state, caste, creed, religion etc. Bravo, Dr. Manmohan Singh. Great going.
Re: ignorance, madam, pure ignorance
by mallikarjuna on May 28, 2009 02:44 PM
Wow... Why was Deshmukh removed as a CM and brought in as a Cabinet Minister, even if he is not an elected MP? Why was Dayanidhi Maran removed from last Cabinet and what changes happened that he is back in the current Cabinet?
Re: ignorance, madam, pure ignorance
by mallikarjuna on May 28, 2009 02:43 PM
Wow... Why was Deshmukh removed as a CM and brought in as a Cabinet Minister, even if he is not an elected MP? Why was Dayanidhi Maran removed from last Cabinet and what changes happened that he is back in the current Cabinet?
Re: Re: ignorance, madam, pure ignorance
by prakash mahajan on May 28, 2009 03:08 PM
As far as DMK's ministerial berths go, it is the prerogative of DMK to nominate its ministers, not that of the PM. Why dont you consider the fact that TR Bhaalu is not in the cabinet despite sprited negotiations by DMK? Deshmuch has been tactically included in the Cabinet not for is administrative abilities, but for contacts. He can bring in funds in a jiffy from his corporate contacts and undoubtedly the best man to arrange a bollywood show inside parliament at very short notice, to recharge the dog tired politicians, especially from the opposition. (Hard luck that Promod Mahajan is not around, otherwise he would very much looked forward to the prospect)
whos is free hand Sardars or Sonia's ... we can see how foolish cong is from this exercise. Is it preparation to bring chotu to be as PM by discrediting Sardar?! this Italian Mafia do act very planned manner... Sardar see and learn from the fact befallen on The Great and ur GURU , a visionary and former PM...PV hahahahah lest ur's will also will be the same as President Zernail Singh
Krishna and Kharge both had links with Telgi, as per the confession by ACP Sangram Singh (relative of congress leader Dharam Singh). Now they are cabinet ministers.
Begin to go all out to woo the H1ndus,S1khs,Buddh1ists,Ja1ns,Dal1ts,Tribals, they must leave no stone unturned during these 5 years. To begin with:
1. Congress must begin the process of the Ram Mandir Complex. 2. Begin process of implementing UCC 3. Abrogation of article 370. 4. More Tax reliefs for H1ndus and Indics 5. Religious susbsidies on the lines of the Musl1ms to h1ndus,s1khs,buddh1sts,parsees
If they have to ammend the constitution, then so be it, they must do it.
Congress focus should be on Indic religion followers and not minorities.
Re: Congress must now....
by cooldiffusion on May 28, 2009 01:24 PM
Congress must continue ...
1) To stand against all talk of communal violence
2) Deal firmly with all incidents of communal violence
3) Spread the message that India is a country with a diverse mix of religion, communities and all will be supported and encouraged. With more 25% of it's population belonging to minority religion ... it is clear that we all have to move forward together. No more talk of communal divides.
Re: Re: Congress must now....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 01:25 PM
I beg to differ with you, During Indiraji's rule Congress ideologically was a Right to Center party, the economic policies were left leaning, however, the ideology was right leaning. This is believe was the correct combination. Ever since Congress adopted this suicidal policy of minority appeasement in the late 80's, they have been going down hill again. Their core H1ndu,Dal1t and Indic vote share shrunk drastically. We are seeing a renaissance of the Congress party, which is doing the right thing by sidelining the minorities. They must bring back their right leaning attitude and win hearts and minds of H1ndus,S1khs,Buddh1sts and other Indics.
Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by cooldiffusion on May 28, 2009 01:28 PM
You beg to differ with what I am saying? Are you saying you support communal violence and support talk of communal violence?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 01:41 PM
Was there any problem under Indiraji's rule then?
Why wasnt she called communal when she or even Rajiv when he opened the locks of the Shri Rama temple complex?
I think you must have a holistic look at facts.
Congress today after the mandate has a golden opportunity of being a truly secular party. By treating all equally as done by Indira Gandhi, they can win 300 seats on their own.
Do you want them to rob them of this opportunity by continuing with this crap of communal violence?
Tell me then why did riots happen during the hey days of the Congress? What action was taken against the perpetrators by the Congress?
None.
This is the only chance for the Congress in the past 20 years to cash in and regain confidence of the Majority H1ndus and Indics. They must not let go of this golden opportunity.
This calls for them to sideline the minorities, no problems do it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by cooldiffusion on May 28, 2009 01:56 PM
Crap of communal violence ... wow ... you dismiss it so contemptuously. These are not the principles of the founding fathers of independant India .. very key in us continuing to grow is to abide by the secular principles that are enshrined in the constiution. The last 20 years has been a huge mess ... all because parties decide to violate this fundamental right ... the right of every citizen irrespective of his religion, community, gender to be protected and to be treated as a citizen of this country. If this principle is violated .. you will get the mess of the last 20 years ...which grow into a bigger and bigger mess.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 02:06 PM
You still dint answer my question, what I have written was practiced by Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi. Why dint we have any such Communal / Secular debate then?
Narashimharaoji too keeping in mind H1ndu sentiments dint put much pressure on the Ram Temple movement?
This sectarian violence in India is centuries old, there have been 60 Plus deadly riots during Congress rule over India since 1947, where did the SECULAR VALUES EN SHRINED IN OUR CONSTITUTION GO THEN?
Rather, you should analyze why did Congress lose its vote share so rapidly in the past 20 years.
I have studied it.
This time in Maharashtra, all Musl1m candidates of the Congress lost, Including A R Antulay, Maharashtra is a Congress bastion, tell me why?
This divide is their in India for a very long time and it wont go, so start living with reality.
In a multi religious country like India, such things will keep on happening, like the Congress of the past ( or more precisely Congress of 1984) one must move on. Else, Punjab would have never voted the Congress again, but they did.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by cooldiffusion on May 28, 2009 02:13 PM
And you didnt answer my question ... the country has plunged into a mess ... it has become a target for terrorism because of the outrageous incidents of communal violence. Now there is a realization that's this is not the way to go and people have voted for a secular party ... people from all religions, communities have voted for a secular party. Secularism is key for any party to succeed for our country to suceed ... no two ways about that.
Re: Re: Congress must now....
by phukan barua on May 28, 2009 06:04 PM
mr cool The alleged oppression of minorities is the political bridgehead that modern evangelical organisations have entrenched in the public consciousness, relentlessly distorting its reality and using it ruthlessly to fuel discontent within India. By deliberately misrepresenting the Godhra communal riots as genocide, though both communities suffered, the media has gleefully incited Islamic terrorist attacks against Hindus and harsh international condemnation of India. As a corollary, the rise of the BJP inspired them to equate mundane nationalist aspirations with the oxymoron of Hindu extremism. Yet, there is resounding silence on the role of the minority community in providing succour to Islamic terrorism through vote bank politics and concealment from attention
Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by phukan barua on May 28, 2009 06:05 PM
mr cool the antinational english media want to high light any thing that is anti hindu anti BJP. for you information there a a far greater number of farmer deaths & deaths of adivasis in andhra then during the BJP rule. only the same is not highlighted by the english press . the reason mr gupta is because India happens to be one of the very few major countries in the world whose dominant media is controlled directly or indirectly by foreigners. The usurpation of control has actually been by Americans, much of it through surrogates of evangelical organisations that are in fact quasi-government agencies. In India, most English language media outlets, are, in effect, vying with each other to accelerate the fragmentation of India in consonance with Anglo-American goals.The alleged oppression of minorities is the political bridgehead that modern evangelical organisations have entrenched in the public consciousness, relentlessly distorting its reality and using it ruthlessly to fuel discontent within India. By deliberately misrepresenting the Godhra communal riots as genocide, though both communities suffered, the media has gleefully incited Islamic terrorist attacks against Hindus and harsh international condemnation of India
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 01:09 PM
I am sure you meant you and your types, we Indians need not beg, we DEMAND by virtue of being tax payers who run this country, ones who dont enjoy any benefits. Nobody should expect us to put our head down and keep on tolerating all the time, it is time that we demand and make our votes count and this is exactly what is happening with the Congress.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by IndiaforIndics on May 28, 2009 02:08 PM
Imran....
I care a fig of what you think of me, what I have stated are facts. This is the need of the hour for the congress and it must do it, else they will face a repetition of the past 20 years.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by Imran on May 28, 2009 02:12 PM
Dude india has shown the door to communal elemtns like u so what u say and think will not make a difference
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress must now....
by Imran on May 28, 2009 01:49 PM
Communal elements like u are not needed in cong u are beter of in the sangh
