Re: Jai Ho BJP
by kritikk k on May 19, 2009 03:11 PM
See this is the problem with Sanghis. Never write the truth. BJP from 2 seats in 1984 went to 180 in 1999 and after that came down to 138 in 2004 and 116 in 2009. If it was not for alliance with JDU BJP's seats in 2009 wud have been in two digits! Bha Ja Pa losing losing congress gaining gaining India shining shining.
If h1ndus were more self-preserving than what they are, there wouldn't have been a need for h1ndutva ! And there wouldn't have been Moghal rule or British rule or Nehru-family rule.
Re: h1ndus lack self-preservation
by Loan Shark on May 19, 2009 01:04 AM
nehru family election is totally democratic ... the people of India (comprised mainly of h1ndus) vote for congress when they think congress is good for them and votes them out on occasion ... the process is very very democratic and based on freedom of exercise of choice.
Re: Re: h1ndus lack self-preservation
by A Singh on May 19, 2009 02:24 AM
not necessarily true..it is said that the democrarcy is as good as the people are educated...otherwise how do you explain close to 20% of MPs having serious criminal background ? Indians have this infatuation with dynasities...and the congressmen have used the nehru dynasty for their selfcentred power needs..typical example is Arjun singh - useless id*iot just staying in power using the congress/gandhi stamp..outside Congress he cannot win even a municipal election of a town.
If you analyze the voting statistics of many constituencies in AP and Tamilnadu, it is clear that something impossible has occurred. This was most probably due to massive fraud by rigging/manipulating the Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs). We all know that any kind of fraud is possible in India. Having spent many years in the high-tech world, I know how easy it is to break the EVMs’s embedded code and manipulate the voting. This needs serious investigation.
Re: Please stop this kind of hypocritical commentary
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2009 10:08 PM
blame the machines ... blame it on fraud ... bjp supporters cant accept defeat
Re: Re: Please stop this kind of hypocritical commentary
by UsualSuspect on May 18, 2009 10:21 PM
Where is the question of BJP's defeat in AP and TN when it has barely any presence in those states ?
Re: Please stop this kind of hypocritical commentary
by UsualSuspect on May 18, 2009 10:14 PM
True, how else can one explain the fact that in AP Congress won 33 out of 42 Lok Sabha seats but only 157 out of 295 Assembly seats ?
Re: Re: Please stop this kind of hypocritical commentary
by mudamosi on May 19, 2009 04:16 AM
The voting trends might have been different. One for the assembly and other for parliament.
Re: Please stop this kind of hypocritical commentary
by deetee on May 19, 2009 09:42 AM
evms rigged in ap/del/raj to bring back fake gandhi family to power. this is very convenient for saudis/vatican/nuke power companies/chinese. If BJP came to power, then all these guys would have problems.
Not a happy feeling to see people commenting disrespectfully on Advani's PM ambitions.I am not a great fan of advani's ledership as such but i beleive Hndus of india let him down. he is definetly a much better leder and patriot that all in musi congress. He spent his entire life is talking pro-hndu stuff, this does not mean he talked anti-musi and hndus punished him for not talking pro-musi stuff. As hndus have genetic difficiency to produce stcophants. many of us are always like that, we like to be praised and we take pride in digging our own grave. Self aclaimed secular has become a big fashion, which often results in self loathing and self condemning.I think apart from social movement to make people think in correct persepective, we also need medical research to treat the defficiency, that anoher thing.
I think if advani ji look back, he would think that had he talked pro-musi language at times, he could have been PM at least twice in his long career.
Actually he did realize it and tried to do that by jinna talk, but than by that time it was too late and he got even ridiculed on that as well.
In the last like Vajpayee he has not earned a penny from his politics and i would always salute him for his selfless service to the nation. Having said that, its best, he resign and lead a happy retired life contributing with his thoughts as and when needed like vajpayee ji.
Re: Advani's career analysis
by A Singh on May 19, 2009 02:57 AM
Advani has a cherished history of nation serving for 70 years..as u said if he wanted he could have become PM many times..but he stays with idiology and not power play for the sake of power alone... I salute him for his selfless service...
Re: Advani's career analysis
by Kalyan on May 18, 2009 11:04 PM
100% true. There is no place for honest and sincere persons in Indian politics. Only people like YSR (AP CM) could do wonders in this country.
Re: Advani's career analysis
by AJ Kumar on May 19, 2009 08:19 AM
I think that the biggest mistake BJP made was not letting Advani become PM for the first time and Vajpayee could have become the second time and both would have their ambitions fulfilled.
Re: Advani's career analysis
by UsualSuspect on May 18, 2009 10:19 PM
Totally agree ! It is much much easier to become a Congress sycophant than a righteous, uncorrupt leader like Advani !
Pranab Bardhan says the electorate rewarded good governance in Orissa and Tamil Nadu. That should give you a clue that this gentleman has no idea what he is talking about.
Re: Rewarding good governance
by deetee on May 19, 2009 09:43 AM
he is sitting in usa occupying chairs funded by americans. he has to be against any sort of nationalist movement in India or else his daana-paani will be in trouble.
Re: Re: Bad article and observation
by UsualSuspect on May 18, 2009 10:01 PM
Sure, BJP can't be anything but communal, or so said your Congress-paid media !
Re: Re: Re: Bad article and observation
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2009 10:06 PM
why accuse media when bjp supporters themselves call bjp communal ... here someone is accusing them (bjp) of trying to be secular ... lol
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bad article and observation
by JGN on May 18, 2009 10:27 PM
Loan Shark, why don't you read the message of Mr. Tazir below? In Kerala the Churches had openly issued Pastroal Letters against the CPI (M) led left-front and even told that BJP is better than the Left front as they believe in some G0D. The Churches were responsible even for the downfall of the first Communist govt in Kerala headed by the late EMS. Muslim League is also with Congress party.
That is not "communal" for you but when BJP talks about h1ndus, they are communal.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bad article and observation
by A Singh on May 19, 2009 03:02 AM
Loan, agreed BJP incites Hindus..but how come same argument makes COngress secular ?? didnt; they incite 3000 Sikhs killing ? how come the entire media and congress followers easily hide it ??? I would say divide and rule ash been the congress idiology..somewhere its castes, other places its language and other places its religion...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bad article and observation
by mudamosi on May 19, 2009 04:44 AM
>>if churches say vote congress, it is analogous to temple calling to vote for BJP or Shiv sena .... that is not communal
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bad article and observation
by Loan Shark on May 19, 2009 12:37 AM
you are terribly confused and dont have the right analogy.
if churches say vote congress, it is analogous to temple calling to vote for BJP or Shiv sena .... that is not communal ... but BJP inciting communal riots and their govt. standing in inaction during h1ndu-musl1m riots is totally communal
The election results show how communal the Indian polity is. One can talk about a Sikh PM, the Muslim vote, the Church mandate to Christians - these are considered not communal. I am a Muslim and voted for the candidate from the Congress because he happened to be be a worthy one, but in my neighbouring constituency, Powai, Kirit Somaiya from the BJP, whom none can dispute was a most worthy canditate lost only because he happened to be from the BJP and not a single Christian or Muslim voted for him. What can be more partisan than that? They voted him out and that is Mussalam Beimaani, unIslamic and hence most communal. Sad day for India.
Re: Indian population most communal
by UsualSuspect on May 18, 2009 09:51 PM
We can't blame the Muslims and Christians in Powai (or for that matter elsewhere in India) for their voting preferences because it looks like they were more interested in keeping Advani from coming to power than anything else.
BJP should continue its nationalist and development agenda but soften its Hindutva stance in order to gain the trust of Muslims, Christians, and moderate Hindus.
Re: Indian population most communal
by Quick Yamraj on May 19, 2009 09:24 AM
I appreciate your balanced thougts. I hope every citizen will think like you & we shall have true leaders in the parliament in future.
Re: Indian population most communal
by theindialover on May 18, 2009 09:45 PM
Very well said sir. I truly respect you as a true Indian. India is so divided. If you see closer you will see that how much money is spent by missionaries and other vote bank buckets for this election.
Less than 50% voted means people are so divided and lost confidence in democracy.
I am a BJP supporter, not because i am a Hindu (Not at all), I believe they can bring up India as a true democracy and develop it. I look at the BJP ruled states, I see only progress. They have very good eladership. I used to be a congress fan, but look at the leadership.
Re: Re: Indian population most communal
by such jano on May 18, 2009 09:48 PM
am a BJP supporter, not because i am a Hindu (Not at all)..your sudden feeling of guilt, makes me smile..its very sad state of hindu mindset in this country...thats exactly i want to expose to find a solution.
Re: Re: Indian population most communal
by preeti sharma on May 18, 2009 11:29 PM
these gandhis are selfless, they dont have the greed of power..like Soniaji who opted out of being PM, and also Rahul who did not become a minister or PM ...but wanted to strengthen congress...tell me...
Re: Re: Re: Indian population most communal
by A Singh on May 19, 2009 03:10 AM
preeti...its not true that Sonia opted out of PM post..it was becuase of president Kalam she opted out..as there is a sub clause of our constituion which is a reciprocity rule..and Italy has a rule of not allowing anybody not born in Italy from taking national positions...do u now see why congress didnt support Kalam for second term > and why they have rubber stamp now in Pratibha as preseident ? and as far as Rahul is concerned..its voluntary..however if u observe..it was a good move..with his experience he would have been non-effective due to coaltion and he would have lost the goodwill of other congressmen...so for longterm planning it was important to stay out last time...would be interesting to see if he stays out this time too..
Re: Indian population most communal
by JGN on May 18, 2009 09:57 PM
Tazir, you are absolutely right. Even Ram Nayak, a Politician with proven track record was also defeated.
Re: Re: Indian population most communal
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2009 10:04 PM
so, you guys think that musl1ms and christ1ans voted congress to power in a country dominated by 80% h1ndus?
h1ndus are not pwned by BJP. we will vote for the party we like, not because BJP pulls out h1ndutva as its trumps card during elections
Re: Re: Re: Indian population most communal
by UsualSuspect on May 18, 2009 10:38 PM
If h1ndus were more self-preserving than what they are, there wouldn't have been a need for h1ndutva ! There wouldn't have been Moghal rule or British rule nor Nehru-family rule.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian population most communal
by Loan Shark on May 19, 2009 12:39 AM
nehru family in power or having PM or MPs or leadership control has nothing to do with h1ndutva or with h1ndus .... a number of h1ndus believe in being secular
Re: Indian population most communal
by deetee on May 19, 2009 09:46 AM
wow, tazir that was unexpected. kirit somaiya helped lot of victims from 7/11 get compensation. anyway, bjp can never win until they have their own tv news channel to counter the massive propoganda coming from everywhere in india and outside.
Re: Indian population most communal
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2009 10:02 PM
even BJP supporters here are talking about h1ndu votes, dal1t votes, bram1n votes, ban1a votes... so, the voting we must admit is on castist platform in India
why shd musl1ms and christ1ans vote for BJP? when BJP is a communal party
Re: Re: Indian population most communal
by mudamosi on May 19, 2009 04:51 AM
So if BJP is communal what about Muslim league? They are also communal and were responsible at least in part for the partition of India in 1947. If "secular" parties don't have a problem forming an alliance with muslim league why treat BJP as communal and hence an outcast?
Re: Indian population most communal
by Surya Prakash on May 19, 2009 10:02 AM
This is exactly what i am saying. In India, Hindus are secular in voting and Muslims are communal. This becomes an advantage with parties like Congress who act as secular and grab both Hindu & Muslim votes.BJP is at disadvatage since the muslims dont vote them even if their policies are good/development oriented. Muslims see everyone from the religion point of view and will vote a criminal, goonda, rapist or anyone belonging to their religion or a part of psuedo-secular party. So till the time, the Hindus become communal or Muslims become secular, the Psudo-secular parties will have the advantage and BJP will suffer.
Re: BJP lost 22 seats
by theindialover on May 18, 2009 09:45 PM
Absolutely
Mr. Advani with all due respect must resign and pave way for younger generation. BJP need more leaders as it started with. Modi is a great choice.
It's very easy to beat congress, as congress won by luck or at the expense of other parties like SP, BSP, LJP, RJD etc...
BJP votes were never splitted. BJP's failure is mainly attributed to it's inability to raise issues like Ram Sethu, or Mumbai terror or anything which Hindu like to hear about.
Even when a hiNdu sanyasini woman got abused, BJP didn't make it an election issue.
Now in effect BJP is all same as congress. So people rather elected congress that's all.
Show hwo different you are. To whom you are standing for? get some media help.
Re: Re: BJP lost 22 seats
by Guest on May 19, 2009 12:33 AM
It's because of Modi, BJP lost the Election in 2004. Modi's hardline and the Gujrat riots hurt not only Muslims but also a major portion of sensible Hindus, and the result was that despite running a good government and starting so many developement works, BJP was thrown out of Power. And unfortunately India could not see one of India's best PMs ever, Mr A.B. Vajpayee for another term. This time, in 2009, Advani was just having a day dream to become PM. At present does BJP have the capability to run a Central Government?
Re: BJP lost 22 seats
by Guest on May 19, 2009 04:31 AM
In 1984 BJP won 2 seats, 2009 won 116, congress won 400 in 1984 now only 200. Bha Ja Pa gaining gaining congress losing losing India shining shining.
Re: BJP lost 22 seats
by deetee on May 19, 2009 09:48 AM
bjp lost due to massive propoganda from news channels, evm rigging in raj/del/ap and laziness of hindu middle class. until hindus vote like muslims/christians bjp can never hope to come in power at the centre.
As per him most home grown terrorists are forced to do terorism as they were denied justice by the system. So the effective tool to fight terrorism as per him to provide speedy justice to musies, justice means 'do as they like'..
I think this sets the tone of next 5 years rule in india, the theory of 'musguided youth' is what we will witness.
