The difference between EVMs in USA and India is: in USA, u have to maintain the record i.e. if need be, u can take out print to convince the concerned party whereas in India, there is no paper trail which leaves room for doubt.
Re: EVM and thereafter
by Varun on May 20, 2009 12:00 PM
Isnt that scary to the so called democracy lovers who post in rediff ?. Or is it just because UPA won, that it is ok ?. Im sorry but regardless of who won, the fact that we have a system that is not transparent and fool proof is shocking and scary to me. This is an issue far above partisan political thinking.
Re: Re: EVM and thereafter
by lolan on May 21, 2009 11:29 PM
Agreed. We need a fool proof system to convince everyone. But, can you explain why such an allegation is raised in 2009? Why not in 2004 and before and in various assembly elections. The point here is, safron supporters cannot digest their defeat like Advaniji. And hence this 'grape is sour' story.
India is not USA. Every state and district got its own politics. No one, leave alone congress can do a massive rigging to tune results in their favour. One can allege rigging in one or two constituencies. But rigging across the country, that too in a systematic manner is just a near-impossible task. Accept defeat guys. This not 'THE LAST" elections in India. If a turn around happens favouring BJP, will RS and co still hold to such an allegation? Why trojan always favour UPA?
RS also mentions this "In any case, the 2009 elections, I repeat, were an inflexion point or a tipping point, which will mark the rapid decline of India"
I wonder whether all nationalist guys agree with this comment.
If anybody wants to see how one stoops out of frustration, come and read this article! He cannot hide his agony at the defeat of BJP. Nobody else (even the local Sangh fellow) can charge a malpractice of EVMs as did by him. I am not a congress follower though. I am of the same opinion of Srinivasan that UPA is hell- bent to the US never before seen in Congress times. But we must not forget that BJP leaders were crawling to touch the feet of Bush than Manmohan-Chidambaram. We must not forget that the earlier BJP govt were about to commit troups to Iraq to human-shield the US forces but was abandoned due to heavy protest from the public. One can cite scores of other examples such as this.
Re: srinivasan' s dream
by john thomas on May 18, 2009 11:32 PM
I fail to see where RS is full of agony. He seems perfectly calm. But he is making a direct accusation about fraud based on circumstantial evidence. The NDA never rolled over and played dead with the Americans, nor did they lie to the Indian people and Parliament by signing a major agreement with the Americans secretly. It was the Americans who revealed the contents of the agreement. So whose interests were Manmohan Singh trying to protect? India's or America's?
Re: Re: srinivasan' s dream
by Varun on May 20, 2009 12:01 PM
Well said John. This is an issue about democracy not about UPA or NDA. Some of the naive and stupid users dont get it.
Re: Re: srinivasan' s dream
by lolan on May 21, 2009 11:36 PM
John, you should read other articles written by RS. Then see if RS is full of agony or not.
yea we can understand minorities voting for upa. but why would hindus? whoever rules and espeially the pro market nda, the economy is going to grow. and the nda is better than the upa for security. so the only reason that hindus will vote for upa is the populist freebies that upa dishes out - which drains our resources and stunts our progress. there's a lesson in this for the nda and bjp.
Re: why would hindus vote for upa
by Mohan Patil on May 18, 2009 04:36 PM
we must understand that mozlems are marrying 4 wives and producing 15 chilkdren- there will be rampant increase in crime and looting after 10 yrs in india if population gorwth is not stopped.
Re: Re: why would hindus vote for upa
by Onie on May 18, 2009 08:32 PM
How many Indian Muslims do you personally know with 2 wives, let alone 4? And how many do you know with 15 kids? Please tell us.
Re: Re: Re: why would hindus vote for upa
by john thomas on May 18, 2009 10:47 PM
Personal experience is a bad indicator of any such demographic data, as your sample size is certain to be too small and not statistically valid.
Re: Re: Re: Re: why would hindus vote for upa
by Onie on May 19, 2009 01:59 PM
Rubbish.
The insinuation is practically every Muslim is married with 4 wives. And has an average family size of 10 or more, no?
We also know that Muslims form 20% of the population i.e. 1 out of 5 Indians. So clearly unless you have been hiding inside some RSS bunker all your life, you must have met a number of Muslims over your life?
The question therefore is perfectly fair - of the Muslims Mr. Patil has met, how many have actually lived up to this stereotype that he is trying to paint. How many?
Re: why would hindus vote for upa
by Onie on May 18, 2009 08:54 PM
Not so fast - I am a Hindu who supports Congress and so do lots of other Hindus I know. We do not buy that the BJP is better for security. We think it is actually quite dangerous for national integrity. Going by the election results, we are far from isolated in our conviction - it is people like you who appear to be in the minority.
upa will engage in anti-hindu activity which will eventually lead to a backlash against minorities will encourage dynastism and slave mentality in indians will make india a vassal state of the usa will make india weak in security will stunt india's economic growth with populism will divide indians religion/castewise with reservation etc will encourage more politicians to stash money abroad
Kangress - New- East india company of 21st Century --- The East india company couldnt convert all indians to hindisum but they managed to kill several crores in the 150 yrs Rule. --religion promted the british and europeans to take weapons and mass murder red indians , indians ,africans 250 million non christians muirderd by xthians in last 400 yrs Contsituion of India need to be changed and india need to be declare a hindu rashtra
-India is the last battlefield for the xtians - They can never win in China and Russia -google and search project joshua on the web and see the systematic agenda to convert all into slumdogs and slaves of the corrupt and criminal white xtians
Re: Kangress - New- East india company of 21st Century ---
by Devdutt Nayak on May 19, 2009 12:31 AM
project joshua has been going on for about 1500 years. It was earlier called "Roman Catholic Church"
but remember this : this electoral win will only embolden the congress in its anti-hindu activity. hindus maybe secular in some sense (while minorities clearly are not) but vote for upa/congress only for personal gain. but anti-hinduism will inevitably lead to a backlash which only the minorities will suffer - ofcourse they could think that it is "martyrdom"!
