Since Hinduism is based on CASTE hierarchies (not groups), it intrinsically seeds HATRED in your Children (e.g. Varun Gandhi). Hence, * You must vote for your CASTE till 85% of all registered marriages in India are INTER-CASTE or INTER-FAITH. * Only he can UNDERSTAND your culture and IMPROVE your socio-economic status.
And this is the only way to STOP dis-integration of India.
Re: Praful Bidwai is off course
by mo jintao on Apr 15, 2009 11:50 PM
Damned by faint praise, nice! badwai's english is commendable in circles where english is a second language, his propaganda is even more commendable in communist circuits where readers are blinkered by a media that has sold-out its ethics a long time ago. But at its most basic he and his tribe boil down to being intellectual cond*ms for terrorists. Jai ho, Jai ho!!
...but NOT FOR COMMUNISTS! Hence you see the parade of communists training their guns one by one, mouthing half-truths and releasing a propaganda onslaught. As was commented a couple of weeks back from the time the first communist snake crawled out its pit to hiss at this non-event, there is more than meets the eye at Pilbhit.
That a speech to inspire and protect the poor locals fighting for their lives and living in fear of infiltrators should shake up so many communists needs further investigation. No smoke without fire, the young gandhi seems to have touched upon some hidden agenda.
Hopefully someone in the media has the time and courage to investigate what has gotten these slumbering communists howling again? Jai ho, Jai ho!!!
Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp...
by Ramesh on Apr 11, 2009 12:59 AM
"Like Sanjay, he has brazenly defied the law, torn civility and political decency to shreds, and used goon power to challenge the government." -- Mr. Bidwai ------------------
Mr. Bidwai has given a perfect description of the person in context.. Mr. Bidwai is a senior journalist of considerable stature and all efforts to disagree with him comes at no loss of respect for him.
It would be better if BJP rises above any cunning calculations and upholds the sanctity of law. Else, this crude Hindutva vision is going to be the nemesis of BJP. It will tear asunder all sense of respect and according of dignity to their leadership.
Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp...
by mo jintao on Apr 11, 2009 04:41 PM
Calling communists hacks like bidwai as "eminent/senior/stature" only displays obvious signs of propaganda first started in the ussr and then perfected in china. Badwai has high stature like Stalin has high stature among wha*k jobs and goebbels had high stature among propagandists.
These are people who are selling their country and their countrymen so that their itch for gratification from communist masters is satisfied. It is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY to be civil to snakes like badwai and his ilk. The major reason why naive indian electorate continues getting killed in increasing numbers since the mid 1980s is because sellouts like badwai have been facilitating the murderers by blaming people who stand up to the communist cadres and blanketing out news of communist atrocities against the majority religion. With the coming of the internet more and more people see everyday the unmasking of the so-called "senior/eminent" facilitators of murderers. Jai ho, Jai ho!!!
Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp...
by Ramesh on Apr 11, 2009 08:38 PM
It will take much intellectual effort to fathom what Mr. Bidwai is stating and it is puerile to question his nationalism. Request you to review the crux of his argument.
May be you can understand this plain vernacular better.
yah bahut ashleel bhaddi baat hain bhaajpaa us andhi kay saath hain.
Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp...
by Ramesh on Apr 11, 2009 09:03 PM
By supporting this storm(andhi), BJP forfeits its moral right to even raise the issue of Rama Temple at Ayodhya.
Re: Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp...
by mo jintao on Apr 12, 2009 12:54 AM
Stop throwing red herrings in your so called intellectual argument. If this thinly veiled propaganda is intellectual argument for you, ba ba black sheep.. must be beyond your comprehension. These wannabe intellectuals are spouting propaganda and claiming intellectualism to help murderers of poor Indian citizens in Pilbhit and other border districts. State your position on that fact first before trying to obfuscate the issue with pathetic attempts at acting "intellectual".
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp
by Ramesh on Apr 13, 2009 05:58 PM
You need to accept the premise that Muslims are more vulnerable in India and not Hindus. Second terror in India is state sponsored. The communal fear mongering in Pilbhit is motivated by desire to grab state power.
Then you can better see that Mr. Bidwai is expressing anguish and his concern is preserving law and order and the secular state.
Once you emerge out of your "prarabhda", only then you would be able to see his reason and appreciate his concern.
It is a sad state of affairs for India. On one hand we have an unctuous PM who needlessly certifies a dynasty scion to be PM material. Earlier, he himself did not behave like a PM material in his last meeting with the ex-Prez at White House.
And now the wannabe PM shall not disown the flagrant violator. To dispatch him to a correctional facility is acceptable; it would be keeping the matter within their parivar. It is ok as long as Parliament is not considered by them as a correctional facility!
Re: Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp...
by mo jintao on Apr 12, 2009 01:00 AM
Since you are a vernacular fan, here's one for wannabes like you trying to defend patently false propaganda under the garb of intellectualism. Credit to our sadly illiterate but exceptionally bright ind*n driver - "gan* ugdi lekin kan mein bugdi" So apt for wannabe intellectual cond*ms of terrorists such as bidwai
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp
by Ramesh on Apr 13, 2009 06:44 PM
You do know your Urdu! If pen is mightier than the swords of this terror suggest be inspired by the pen of Tagore, Premchand and Ageyaya. ------------------ vah iqubali khayaal jaroor kahin na kahin aabad hain abhee tak aur aaj jin masoobon say bandhaa hain urdu ki haseen laaj
jo sirf vahna key he nahin hai hindustan key bhee shaan vah nek fariyaad - pakistan.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp
by Ramesh on Apr 13, 2009 11:57 PM
"...are the most PAMPERED "minority". ---- Really? Sachar Comm report, which LKA called as an eye-opener does not say so. I can understand his predicament and his immense effort to provide an alternate definition of secularism which would imply equal respect for all faiths. Such a defintion would be the keystone of Bharatiyata.
Mr. Bidwai shall have no quarrels with LKA's world-view either.
Leave it you to figure out where you stand in the place of things which define the centrality of India as well as Bharat.
I do sincerely hope and pray that underpinnings of political compulsion does not derail him from his noble agenda and he is able to rule out all those who have exhibited communal virus.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp
by mo jintao on Apr 15, 2009 11:38 PM
Yes "MOST PAMPERED MINORITY". With your last argument you again prove why logical reasoning and madrassa university education do not go hand-in-hand! You have again ignored the facts and quote random report by the state (which you called a sponsor of state-terror no less early in chain of argument) because it purportedly goes along with your argument. This prime minister you quote also said "minorities have first right to resources" in India. The last time a leader of a country said that against the majority was when whites ruled south africa. You ignore the facts in my argument (unsurprisingly) but facts have a habit of sticking around for all fair minded observers (not propagandists). So here are one more for your favored minority which committed ethnic cleansing in kasmir recently denied the hindus some land for their annual temple festival. That too after most of the ethnic cleansers are fed by taxes from the majority in india. With this shining example it is no surprise the majority in Indians dislike you and see through your specious argument. You guys tried that again in gujrat but got your backsides kicked out. Your fellow communist is in the dock because of lies she (testa khan) concocted under oath. Of course your same state came out with a report that the train experienced spontaneous combustion (laws of physics notwithstanding) while the minority community was merely surrounding the train. U are lucky in india, had it been china you guys would be toast.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: if arguments are true, good for india and bjp
by mo jintao on Apr 13, 2009 10:34 PM
Thanks "ramesh" you finally exposed your true self in the final two postings. You say I "NEED TO ACCEPT THE PREMISE..." and go on propagating lies similar to the author badwai. Sadly the facts do not corroborate ANY of your premises. Muslims in India are the most PAMPERED "minority". Heck they are even a "majority" in many states now. If it were state terror that would never happen. And guess what dont muslims have a subsidy for haj? dont they run their own "institutions of learning"? Dont they have special rules not what the rest of the country has? Remind me what is the equivalent to that for the "majority" in India? Not that I care that the hindus have a death wish and want to die as a religion being nice to muslims, cristians, communists etc, god speed to them. But tell me why do many pakistanis here post under hindu names?
You take money from china and hate chinese culture. Btw, I give a rat's ars* to urdu, but sad you do not make an effort to learn other languages from a great civilization your ancestors once belonged to. So stop pouring out your jealousies on these boards. As a friendly piece of advice badwai is a snake who doesnt care about your country either. So just keep receiving money from china, try to keep the isi panjabis and wannabe panjabi (mohajirs) in check and hide from the drones. Maybe in a few years once the scum are cleaned up from india your ancestral brothers may help you clean up your country as well. Jai ho, Jai ho!!!
Mr. Bidwai's shoddy analysis is evident from his phrase --Nehruvian paradigm, comprising the four pillars of democracy, secularism, socialism and nonalignment.-- this shows he is basically an ideologue.
What need to be rebutted are his equating RSS people with lumpen elements. This is a travesty of truth and typical of colonized breakaway mindsets who betray contempt for native Indians who opt to stick true to and assimilate their roots. This kind of inbuilt superiority complex by flaunting Anglican values is what has been described by Dr. Joshi in BJP manifesto as derivative of legacy from Macaulay.
The affront created by Sanjay scion has tested BJP to its limits. The array of issues are quite complex to handle and it certainly has put BJP on the defensive. But when their character is put to test people they are likely to emerge stronger and make the right decisions. Whereas the breakaway mindsets are more likely to crumble.
please stop this secularism stuff imagine the reverse Muslims in majority Hindus in minority then would we even had have any rights tell me look our history i wish the partion was complete (1947) the mistake can not be undone
Hinduism intrinsically breeds HATRED among Children. Hinduism's caste system is a religious-based system of separating groups and keeping one class (Brahmins?) over everyone else.
In America there is no system in place today that forces people to remain separate or keeps one class subservient to another. If you were born the son of a street sweeper, but excelled, you could become a doctor or lawyer or some celebrity or entrepreneur - and at the same time you would be fully accepted by your peers.
Not so in India. The caste system freezes everyone in place. It is extremely difficult - almost impossible - for someone from the lowest caste to rise in education and social status. A Dalit would never be allowed to marry into one of the higher castes and would never be accepted as an equal. And for a Dalit to make it into medical school or opening a restaurant or become a member of high society in India is very rare indeed.
Only by escaping from the grasp of Hinduism do they have much of a chance.... Alternatively, you must vote for candidates from your caste only till 85% of all registered marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-faith.
Re: Why Indians are QUITTING Hinduism and not other religions?
by adi on Apr 09, 2009 11:44 PM
mr new york go f## your self or may go to a church and make friends with priest i have heard they are helping guys like u a lot and i u are under age all the more better
Re: Why Indians are QUITTING Hinduism and not other religions?
by MSAL on Apr 09, 2009 01:02 PM
What about goings on inside churches? why is there a book by a former nun on sexual exploitation by "Fathers"? Why christians have highest incidence of illegitimate children and also divorces?
Re: Why Indians are QUITTING Hinduism and not other religions?
by kapilMuni Gupta on Apr 09, 2009 05:57 PM
Mr New York, I must say you must understand Hinduism before talking anything about it. Hidus never treat hatred. Caste system is a was basically a social classification based upon profession an individual undertakes.Still in many European countries they follow provide education by analysing the phychological traits of the individual and what kinds of jobs he or she is fit.These jobs are again classified as Level1,level2...
It is the irony that in Indian sub-continent caste become an abusive word since it starts getting decided based from birth (basically family in which you are born)
If Dalits became poor it is not because of Brahman as propounded by western colonian historians but by the islamic rule as these were the skilled or semiskilled people who used to earn there livelihood by working in core industries.Due to Islamic attacks all industries were routed and people became jobless and poor.
All the points regarding education,marriage are actually at the grassroot level relates to poverty.
Today why US is worried about the workers and unemployed people it is because if situation does not improve these people will turn into criminal activities or will do something which is against the social norms.
The grass root reason of all indian problems is poverty which given by Islamic attackers and later on islamic rulers. If you read and analyse the same is the root cause of the entire world.
Some faiths cannot be repaired they can only be eliminated.
Beijing Bidwai, first and foremost you are nothing more then an extreme left wing traitorous militant who wants India to remain subservient to China - Okay with that said I think you have come up with an excellently biased and one sided and hate filled, virulent Hindu hating article -
>Nehruvian paradigm, comprising the four >pillars of democracy, secularism, socialism >and nonalignment
pretty much the four main issues which have ensured that india remains at the bottom of the dung heap! while the last two out to be outright rejected as sheer idiocy, the first two are highly manipulated/perverted in india.
Re: what a laugh!!!
by adi on Apr 09, 2009 11:56 PM
well said man well said ..when i was in school 1990 there was talk of india being super in 2010 now i have done my post grad its now 2020 ...u getting my point bro so what u have written makes lot of sense specially we being at the bottom of the dung
