Gavaskar, the problem thats not being realized is baby bowling attack not batting. Imagine, we having aussie kind of bowling attack which has pace,seam,bounce,swing,line and length,consistency,pysique,brains etc.
Its time we realize that its our bowling attack thats putting batting in lot of pressure by not taking wickets at a good strike rate and making opposition make big scores. And thereby out lineup being put into pressure. Having said thus, our batting needs to show application though.
Just do comparision of Aussie bowlers and Indian bowlers in above aspects. No way near to Aussie. On top of that our bowlers does not care to learn from mistakes. Not sure what bowling coach is doing. He is getting paid so much but no results
Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting or senior etc but bow
by rupesh on Jan 14, 2012 01:14 AM
There has to be a seperate selection and talent which is not a part of IPL and 20 20 Indian team wont have any future with these players who are quite use to get paid in millions giving less effort in short form of cricket
Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting or senior etc but bow
by Sachin Joshi on Jan 14, 2012 01:40 AM
Absolutely agree with you. Michael Clarke said they had a plan for each Indian batsmen but the bowlers really bowled to that plan to dismiss India cheaply. On the other side our bowlers who do not know how to set up a batsman for a mistake. They don't know when to bowl a yorker, a bouncer, a slower ball and even when they try they can't bowl them with correct line and length. That's the only thing that can explain David Warner scoring such a fast hundred. They were clueless and were so much behind Aussie bowlers in skill and pace.
Re: Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting or senior etc but
by Sachin Joshi on Jan 14, 2012 01:59 AM
Though our batsmen have also batted badly. We should have won the first test if we hadn't thrown our wickets away. The bowlers did a good job there. The problem is that our batting/bowling/fielding skills are way below par and blame must go to coach, selectors and of course to players. When team plays well these guys get rewarded. When team plays junk cricket, heads must roll. Justice should be done.
It is possible that the final outcome of Perth may not go in our favor. So let us pray for the mahasatak. We really need it at tis desperate time. This will bring smile to the faces of 100 crore people.
Re: Pray for mahastak
by Vailixi T on Jan 14, 2012 01:42 AM
If prayer is the answer to all the problems with Indian cricket, then let us select 11 poojaris to play next time.
Gavaskar, the problem thats not being realized is bowling attack not batting. Imagine, we having aussie kind of bowling attack which has pace,seam,bounce,swing,line and length,consistency,pysique,brains etc.
Its time we realize that its our bowling attack thats putting batting in lot of pressure by not taking wickets at a good strike rate and making opposition make big scores. And thereby out lineup being put into pressure. Having said thus, our batting needs to show application though.
Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by cc man on Jan 14, 2012 12:35 AM
Solution to this problem is have some grounds in India that has seam,bounce,pace,swing etc. And invest in phyqisue and fitness levels of bowlers. We should put a rule that bowlers of height less than 5'11 should not be allowed to become fast bowlers.
Re: Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by Vailixi T on Jan 14, 2012 02:24 AM
This could be right. Tony Greg commented yesterday that the Indian players did not use the WACA pitch to practise bowling or batting. They had about 10 days to it. It is not only the facilities, it is also in the attitude and inclination to perform well. The players behave like they are demi-gods, when they are actually like court jesters tripping over themselves, spooked by their own shadows.
Re: Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by cc man on Jan 14, 2012 12:38 AM
Look at Yadav, though he has pace, he is unable to do justice to that because of lack of height.
Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by t xz on Jan 14, 2012 12:45 AM
Actually batting is a problem. Indian bowling was always a problem and despite the so called promise the new bowlers showed recently there was not much hope. It was the batting that put reasonable scores in the past that helped Indian bowlers to defend that score. Just before this test,I was the big fan of the Indian batting and was hoping that eventually they will turn things around. Even on reasonable good batting wickets like Sydney India could not score. Even on Perth the wicket was not that bad for batting, except for the 1st hour or so. Almost all of the batsmen got in and then got out playing rash strokes or playing one day type strokes. Indian batting with so many of the so called greats could put up 300 plus only 3 times in last 18 innings (including home tests). It is very clear that the batsmen's slow reflexes and lack of technique is contributing to this. Look at how Dravid is getting bowled, and yesterday he got bowled off the pads to a ball that he would normally put away for 4. Sachin missed a straight one to be out LBW. Laxman, the less said the better, he has only 2 fifties in last 13 innings overseas and average of 21. Gambhir has the habit of poking at deliveries outside the off stump, thinking that it is a one day game. It is better to select an Indian A team players, at least they will put up a fight and even if we loose we can say that we lost with 2nd string players.
Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by t xz on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 AM
Actually batting is a problem. Indian bowling was always a problem and despite the so called promise the new bowlers showed recently there was not much hope. It was the batting that put reasonable scores in the past that helped Indian bowlers to defend that score. Just before this test,I was the big fan of the Indian batting and was hoping that eventually they will turn things around. Even on reasonable good batting wickets like Sydney India could not score. Even on Perth the wicket was not that bad for batting, except for the 1st hour or so. Almost all of the batsmen got in and then got out playing rash strokes or playing one day type strokes. Indian batting with so many of the so called greats could put up 300 plus only 3 times in last 18 innings (including home tests). It is very clear that the batsmen's slow reflexes and lack of technique is contributing to this. Look at how Dravid is getting bowled, and yesterday he got bowled off the pads to a ball that he would normally put away for 4. Sachin missed a straight one to be out LBW. Laxman, the less said the better, he has only 2 fifties in last 13 innings overseas and average of 21. Gambhir has the habit of poking at deliveries outside the off stump, thinking that it is a one day game. It is better to select an Indian A team players, at least they will put up a fight and even if we loose we can say that we lost with 2nd string players.
Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by t xz on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 AM
Actually batting is a problem. Indian bowling was always a problem and despite the so called promise the new bowlers showed recently there was not much hope. It was the batting that put reasonable scores in the past that helped Indian bowlers to defend that score. Just before this test,I was the big fan of the Indian batting and was hoping that eventually they will turn things around. Even on reasonable good batting wickets like Sydney India could not score. Even on Perth the wicket was not that bad for batting, except for the 1st hour or so. Almost all of the batsmen got in and then got out playing rash strokes or playing one day type strokes. Indian batting with so many of the so called greats could put up 300 plus only 3 times in last 18 innings (including home tests). It is very clear that the batsmen's slow reflexes and lack of technique is contributing to this. Look at how Dravid is getting bowled, and yesterday he got bowled off the pads to a ball that he would normally put away for 4. Sachin missed a straight one to be out LBW. Laxman, the less said the better, he has only 2 fifties in last 13 innings overseas and average of 21. Gambhir has the habit of poking at deliveries outside the off stump, thinking that it is a one day game. It is better to select an Indian A team players, at least they will put up a fight and even if we loose we can say that we lost with 2nd string players.
Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by t xz on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 AM
Actually batting is a problem. Indian bowling was always a problem and despite the so called promise the new bowlers showed recently there was not much hope. It was the batting that put reasonable scores in the past that helped Indian bowlers to defend that score. Just before this test,I was the big fan of the Indian batting and was hoping that eventually they will turn things around. Even on reasonable good batting wickets like Sydney India could not score. Even on Perth the wicket was not that bad for batting, except for the 1st hour or so. Almost all of the batsmen got in and then got out playing rash strokes or playing one day type strokes. Indian batting with so many of the so called greats could put up 300 plus only 3 times in last 18 innings (including home tests). It is very clear that the batsmen's slow reflexes and lack of technique is contributing to this. Look at how Dravid is getting bowled, and yesterday he got bowled off the pads to a ball that he would normally put away for 4. Sachin missed a straight one to be out LBW. Laxman, the less said the better, he has only 2 fifties in last 13 innings overseas and average of 21. Gambhir has the habit of poking at deliveries outside the off stump, thinking that it is a one day game. It is better to select an Indian A team players, at least they will put up a fight and even if we loose we can say that we lost with 2nd string players.
Re: Re: Mr Gavaskar, the problem is not batting
by t xz on Jan 14, 2012 12:49 AM
Note the post was submitted only once, but the content got posted several times.
Re: This should be the Team for 4th Test. Bring back Anil Kumble
by Krishnakumar Narayanan on Jan 14, 2012 01:12 AM
In this line up, only the 12th man or may be Sachin will do justice to his selection.
BCCI - Initially prepare 5 grounds (10 pitches)( in north,east,central,west & south regions) which are very fast & bouncy pitches. Allow a set of players who are most talented &,energitic and atheletic to pratice on those grounds. Then you expect the results.Simply don't expect without spending the money on infrastructure. After 2 years , you will see our guys will definitely win overseas.
I just want to say that it is high time we should drop all the old players. If we had Dravid & Laxman playing one dayer, we would never have won the 2011 world cup, not even in our dreams.
Australia did a review and have brought the team back on track but India are as usual slow to take tough decisions... If we dont do it even after failing miserably in two away tours, there is not much to said!
Re: Australia vs India
by usha sundaram on Jan 14, 2012 12:11 AM
As far as politicians and their cronies control the Board, what else would you expect?
Yes i am still keeping the old timer Sachin, even if wants to play for records. I dont care whether you want to play for your mother or your father, your girl friend, your pet, or for records or for whatever reason ..aslogn as you score runs. and Taking into account last 3 years, last 2 years or last one year.. sachin has fared on that better than most not just in india but also world.
Re: My team next test series
by Krishnakumar Narayanan on Jan 14, 2012 01:15 AM
Let Virat lead the team and include a better wicket keeper batsman. Saurav can be the Manager.
You can breed in youngsters, but never forget they have played and excelled in slow Indian pitches. We should abolish quota system, selection on the basis of inflence pedling through, region,captain, selectors etc. Also equally important we should play on 3 or 4 fast bouncy pitches (Specially prepared) for Ranji/Duleep trophy matches and give extra weightage for those who scored well on these wicketss, especially when selecting the team for Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England. Otehrwise there is no salvation.
Re: Impartiality
by vinay on Jan 14, 2012 12:01 AM
true. but players performing on ausi pitches like parthiv r ignored n u cant expect good performances from our team.
we hav 2 accept dis faliure as indian team is in a transition phase its time over for sachin,rahul n laxman at least 1 yr not more than dat we hav not had a left handed replacement for sourav ganguly at no5,6 position in TEST cricket but der is no choice hav 2 trust on kohli, yuvraj, rohit n replace dhoni as captain as well he was never gud in test cricket is he has accepted this its gud n he must leave asap
