I thought he would have mentioned the same points like refusing opportunities for young and better players when speaking about Tendulkar. Why his tone changed when speaking about Tendulkar? he believes selectors need to speak to Tendulkar. Why he didn't speak about all the first 6 players? No one scored runs. Gambhir even got wickets while batting with his run-outs. And why is Gambhir silent now? He told that a Captain is as good as his team after winning IPL...why don't he repeat the same thing now to media? It was under Dhoni's captain that India reached No. 1 position in Test for the first time. We can't hold that position for long time as we all know we don't have genuine fast bowlers. The fact is most of the people veterans and many current players are just jeolous of Dhoni's success...they were looking for a chance to bring him down and they got it now. Dhoni will fight back.
It is obvious he used his position to allow Dhoni to continue as captain of test cricket and overruled the unanimous decision of all selectors. This rule that the president can override the decision should be removed and also what is the procedure to kick out BCCI President from his post?
Dhoni should be kicked out immediately. Dhoni has no performance in all 03 formats of CKT recent past. Yes, in his captaincy we won 02 WC but what was his self performance in those? Except WC final he did nothing. Also in WC final Goutam made the base and Dhoni promoted himself in order which was not essential, anybody could have did that. In fact it is his cunning tactics for fame and money, that whenever India was in batting trouble he usually came in lower order and in good platform when victory is ahead he usually promotes himself in higher order and remain not out to increase his average. It was seen in many matches that he could not accelerate the run rate to remain not out to increase his average which cost India to loose the matches. Also he did nothing in T-20 WC which India won. With the support of Srinivasan he made ODI team as CSK and now also Test team. This man and Srinivasan are pulling India back. Now he comparing Ashwin with Gambhir but forget that he did nothing in the entire three tests. After Aus series he told against Sehwag (would be captain) and made him out from the team and now when Gambhir would be a choice he is complaining against him also. Selectors were ready to remove him but his godfather, CSK chief Srinvasan saved him. India will definitely achieve nothing under his captaincy in Test CKT. After AUS test series he told that he has little interest in Test CKT. What was his game plan before Eng(0-4),Aus(0-4) and now Eng home series? He only
Re: Shameless
by Santanu Banerjee on Dec 13, 2012 03:02 PM
thought that only spinning pitch will be sufficient. Also his field placing and bowling change was poor. Slip and FSL position should be placed by specialist fielder but he had no game plan which cost drop catches of Cook. He knows very well that if he will be in the team as captain his earnings will be more from ad and endorsements and if he resigns from captaincy he will not be there in the team because of his performance. There are many better keeper-batsmen in India but as he is the captain he is in the team without any performance and India is playing on short of player, by 10 players. If Srinivasan and Dhoni will be there India will be in lowest level in Test CKT near future.
Finally some one spoken abt this burden.. Who else can do that..Has to be someone unselfish like Amaranath.. dhoni never desrved place in test cricket and also not in Oneday & T 20 ever since he changed his style..he scores at pathetic pace in onedays & T20's now a days.. and we lost few matches in last one year..
in last 2 years 2011 and 2012 dhoni has played 19 tests 33 innings 4 not out 859 runs 29.62 average 144 highest 100s-1 50s-7 batting position 7
in last 2 years 2011 and 2012 gambhir has played 16 tests 29 innings 0 not out 907 runs 31.27 average 93 highest 100s-0 50s-7 batting position opener
in last 2 years 2011 and 2012 sehwag has played 15 tests 28 innings 0 not out 889 runs 31.75 average 117 highest 100s-1 50s-5 batting position opener
in last 2 years 2011 and 2012 kohli has played 13 tests 24 innings 2 not out 788 runs 35.81 average 116 highest 100s-2 50s-5
tell me what is the difference between sehwag gambhir kohli and dhoni that mohinder is making such a big noise about?
the stats above clearly expose mohinder. he wants like any regional selector to have players from his region in the team and in important positions. he wants players like sehwag, gambhir, kohli and mishra in the team and as captains or vice captains if he can manage that. according to him dhoni has no technique etc. to play in test cricket...mohinder if that is so then how do you explain that he has matched your favourite quality test players like sehwag gambhir kohli in stats...that too coming so low down the order... mohinder you say dhoni is protected by higher ups...so you want to protect your favorites sehwag, gambhir and kohli? If dhoni is not qualified/equipped to play tests even as a player if one goes by the figures of last 2 years then are the players that you are backing qualified?
Re: is dhoni good enough for tests?
by Pankaj Garg on Dec 12, 2012 06:09 PM
sunil you id*t, you don't know abcd of test cricket and you are questioning a veteran test cricekter like amarnath. He is saying dhoni technique is not good for test cricket. stats only tell half the story.
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by rasputin on Dec 12, 2012 06:45 PM
you are more of an idt. Technique does bring you runs.if technique is the criteria then no body is perfect. even sachin still does know to play the in-swinger!!! Ask this to Fannie de villiers, Dion Nash, Abdul razzak,Curlt Ambrose. No Indian wicket keeper is in international standard. Don`t compare Dhoni with Gilly, sanga, AB. All had flopped before dhoni did.
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by subramaniam srivatsa on Dec 12, 2012 06:48 PM
dhoni cannot be compared with any one. Certainly not Gilly...he is in a league of his own
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by Jiju on Dec 12, 2012 06:58 PM
Mankind has been benefited a lot after the "invention" of helicopter shot.
Re: is dhoni good enough for tests?
by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 06:15 PM
You mean to say losing 10 Tests out of 13 without any fight, captain should continue! Is there any reservation or quota set for Dhoni? Anybody with such results will be removed by even Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. We can not remove Dhoni because he is above every one because of commercial interests and people will go on trying to justify by statistics. There is no end to it. If all of them have to go let it be, but it has to start with the captain.
Re: is dhoni good enough for tests?
by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 06:22 PM
And when they perform and win, it is Dhoni who won the world cup, T20 world cup, made Test No.1 etc and when they fail, it is they who failed! What double standard! This is the same logic of Manmohan Singh.
Secondly, if all of them play badly for 2 years, what action did the captain take? Did he do anything to assign roles or form any strategy to counter that? If he did nothing, he has to be responsible for their failures also. Captain has to be able to motivate the team.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 07:30 PM
jay when they perform and win i say they performed and won....same for all others and in all formats...jay i dont have double standards ... i have NEVER EVER said that when we win it is due to dhoni and when we lose it is due to others...i have NEVER done that and NEVER will....dont confuse me with somebody who many have said like that...i repeat I have NEVER said that it is dhoni to be credited 100 % for indian wins and blamed 0 % for india's losses...it is clear you have not read my past posts...
jay if i said such a thing can you point out when and where i have said it...
i repeat i NEVER do such things...NEVER have and NEVER will...
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by abhishek soni on Dec 12, 2012 08:33 PM
idiot ..do you something about test cricket !! dhoni's technique is suitable for gully cricket & as a motivator, he 1st has to prove himself as a test playing batsman.
Re: is dhoni good enough for tests?
by subramaniam srivatsa on Dec 12, 2012 06:31 PM
your arguments are sooo perfect. You should be made BCCI chief .... Indian Cricket(and MSD) needs you!
Re: is dhoni good enough for tests?
by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 06:39 PM
In another interview, Mohinder has confirmed that it was not just him, but the Selection Committee unanimously decided to remove Dhoni from the captaincy. But Srinivasan did not approve it. That is the truth, which has finally come out!
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 07:21 PM
lot of replies to my post but no reply to my question in the post...
i am not talking about the captaincy aspect at all...
i am talking about mohinder saying dhoni is not a test quality player at all and that he isnt equipped to play test cricket...my figures only show that what he is talking about is true for his technically perfect or at least better equipped test players than dhoni because they have done no better than dhoni...so if dhoni is not equipped to play even as a player with those kind of performances then how are mohinder's favorites sehwag gambhir and kohli any better? according to mohinder thinking they should also be given the boot and he is talking of making them captain vice captain etc...
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by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 07:30 PM
First let captain go, let us see if the problem gets solved. If others continue to perform the same way, they will also be given the axe. But first it has to start with the captain. Ho do you know if it is not due to inability of the captain to motivate others!
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 07:38 PM
jay a captain can do only so much...players who are selected for playing at highest level dont need spoon feeding...they are good enough that dont need to be spoon fed...
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by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 07:32 PM
The point that your stats miss is that many of those like Sehwag played better overseas before the 2011-2012. But Dhoni has never played well. That difference confirms the quality aspect.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 07:42 PM
the point is you are making excuses for other players...
like i have said elsewhere nobody ever claimed that dhoni is better test player than our top 5....so may i ask why you expect dhoni to make as may runs 100s and 50s as specialist batsmen?
do you consider dhoni good enough that he may be compared to our 5 top batsmen...if you do then only expect dhoni to perform as well as them...the point is dhoni too has good innings but the probability that a no. 7 bats get to play such knocks are far less...there are very very few players who can bat at no. 7 and do as well as those batting at the top 5 positions...the point is it is wrong on your part to expect dhoni's stats to look as good as the 5 specialist batsmen...
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 07:45 PM
the point is you want dhoni to be out of tests because of his last 2 yrs. performances ....
the point is i have shown you that our top 5 batsmen from sehwag, gamnhir, kohli, sachin dravid laxman have fared no better in the last 2 yrs...
the point is if you want dhoni out because of those 2 yrs. same should apply for better test players than him also who have fared as bad as well in the last 20 yrs...
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 11:43 PM
sorry, typo the point is if you want dhoni out because of those 2 yrs. same should apply for better test players than him also who have fared as bad as well in the last 2 yrs...
Re: Re: is dhoni good enough for tests?
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:32 PM
taklu, what happened jealous that i get paid more than you? but you see i am better than you. please perform better and you will be paid more than me ...:)
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:33 PM
taklu take my advice you will not get paid much for criticising him...as you very well know by your low pay packet...
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by Jiju on Dec 12, 2012 10:56 PM
Taklu, I got a new part time job.....!
Re: Re: Re: Re: dhoni is best captain ever india had by Jiju (View MyPage) on Dec 12, 2012 08:31 PM Dear Sir, So I hope you will start paying me more than what you paid for Sunil Vaidya all these days.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dhoni is best captain ever india had by M Dhoni (View MyPage) on Dec 12, 2012 08:35 PM Dear Jiju, I will pay you with money. I give milk,bonesandbiscuit to my dear Sunilvaidya. He is not greedy like you :)
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by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 11:40 PM
hehehe, well glad that you are gainfully employed jiju, hope m dhoni pays you well in whatever format he chooses...try talking some sense in taklu too...i dont think he has a very good pay packet for criticising dhoni...hope the carrot of m dhoni you have dangled before taklu will be tempting enough...
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by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 11:56 PM
As you said, since other players do not need spoon feeding, they will perform well whoever is the captain other than Dhoni. It may be he who is demotivating them. That is why generally captain's accountability is always more, except with BCCI.
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by Jiju on Dec 13, 2012 07:22 AM
hehe, M Dhoni has paid me to hit his fantards like you with rottentomatoes and footwear. He never asked me to stop criticize him. It is a win-win situation my friend.
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by Jiju on Dec 13, 2012 07:24 AM
By the way, I sincerely hope that the milk, bones, biscuits he gave fills your stomach. Aah, I can buy an iPad every week now while you should be satisfied with the leftovers :)
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by Jiju on Dec 14, 2012 12:23 PM
Taklu, his chess students have decided to quit after SV started preaching about Dhoni's captaincy in the chess classes instead of speaking about the game... Aah, trust SV to speak something relevant and you will be disappointed for sure!
Re: is dhoni good enough for tests?
by Pakhal Vato on Dec 13, 2012 03:45 PM
Performance/comparison of Players since 1 year Gambhir-453 runs in 16 innings - 3 fifties Sehwag- 579 runs in 17 innings- 2 fifties and 1 centuries Sachin-460 runs in 16 innings - 3 fifties Kohli-578 runs in 17 innings – 3 fifties and 2 centuries Dhoni-377 runs in 14 innings – 3 fifties
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by Pakhal Vato on Dec 13, 2012 03:46 PM
Performance/comparison of Players since 1 year Gambhir-453 runs in 16 innings - 3 fifties Sehwag- 579 runs in 17 innings- 2 fifties and 1 centuries Sachin-460 runs in 16 innings - 3 fifties Kohli-578 runs in 17 innings – 3 fifties and 2 centuries Dhoni-377 runs in 14 innings – 3 fifties
These guys will have their dealings politics and select whom they want. No use at all. The game is played for the public but they have no say in any thing.... We should have a online voting process for election (as part of democratic process :) so we can select Captain and Chief...
While Mohinder Amarnath may be right but the main problem for BCCI is whom do they give TEST captaincy to after Dhoni ? Sehwag is not good enough captain material and they don't want to give Gambhir captaincy which will amount to rewarding a disgruntled man not giving his best for the side. It is obvious BCCI wants to give captaincy to Virat Kohli, a more deserving candidate but want some more time to pass as he is very junior. Mohinder Amarnath must be aware of it but doesn't want to fall in line with BCCI and is batting for Gambhir. That is the crux of the problem and to some extent has reflected in the results in the current English home series. It remains to be seen how this thing gets sorted out. Outcome of Nagpur TEST will have important bearing on the issue.
Re: DILEMA FOR BCCI :BUT AFTER DHONI WHO ?
by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 06:19 PM
Nobody in the Indian team is such that he can not be made captain. Dhoni had no previous experience of leading any side when he was made captain. So do not think that way. In the worst case they can bring back Laxman for 1-2 years and make him Test captain.
In another book that gavaskar wrote in 1984 Runs ‘n Ruins and he writes an incident regarding mohinder. ‘There was yet another important matter that needed sorting out. Prize money. Kapil had won the man of the series award for the England tour in 1982 and mohinder had won it for the Pakistan and the west indies tours that followed. They had not shared the money with the others, as is the practice. It transpired that they had not yet received the money from one of the sponsors. The other sponsor had very nicely announced the award and got all the publicity he wanted. But when it came to sending the cheque, they were strangely reluctant. Any number of reminders mainly verbal were of no use. This however is a common thing in india, where everybody is ready to exploit the players and the game for their benefit. I had a similar annoying experience towards the end of the west Indies series. The discussion went on and it became apparent that mohinder was reluctant to share his prize money. He offered the excuse that since the award was announced in india, he did not think he should share the money for his performance in Pakistan and the west indies. It was the strangest excuse I have ever heard and with that one statement, the Indian cricket team suffered a setback whose effect was incalculable. Everybody just stared at jimmy open mouthed trying to register his words.
Re: Runs 'n Ruins
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 04:32 PM
Other members tried to explain to him that it did not matter where the games were played. If prize money was announced, then it had to be shared. He agreed reluctantly, though he did not appear convinced. Kapil in the middle of the season received his prize money and shared it with the team. Mohinder has yet to do so, or finding some reason or the other not to. This is surprising, because he is a likable fellow, though his silence during team discussions at various times has been misunderstood. There was hardly any discussion on team strategy. We did not even discuss individual strengths and weaknesses of Pakistan team. And that too on the eve of the first test. Perhaps the prize money discussion had exhausted and depressed the team.
