Dhoni doesn't deserve a place in Test team: Amarnath

Re: On MSD by Bhavesh Jha on Dec 12, 2012 11:01 AM dada refused to play at nagpur when he was presented with Green top.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: On MSD by Rajat on Dec 12, 2012 11:08 AM He fight for his team that why he just wanted cutting the grass but the traitor Bhidrava Cricket Association(backed by sharda power) who want to humiliate legend like Sourav now and then.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: On MSD by Bhavesh Jha on Dec 12, 2012 11:11 AM The same rule apply to Dhoni who wanted turning track at Kolkata.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: On MSD by surya das on Dec 12, 2012 11:31 AM yes, he liked turning track in Mumbai too.. and everyone knows what happened?    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: On MSD by Gilbert Gomes on Dec 12, 2012 11:45 AM Well said Amarnath.At least someone has the guts to speak out.Thee are lots of wicket keepers to replace him.Dont worry WRIDHIMAN SAHA will be overlooked as he is from Bengal.The BCCI is now permanently based in the West Zone(Maharastra)so no scope of newcomers from Bengal,leave alone other states.The reason the quality of Ranji Matches are mediocre and will remain the same forever.Whenever a player is in top form in Ranji he should be picked immediately. I think we should not bother about cricket.Mr.Srinivasan seems very adamant.Afterall any newcomer has to be handsome looking first of all and then talent and quality.Our board will not change.We need an alternative board and start functioning.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: On MSD by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 12, 2012 01:42 PM Average players from north like dhoni, gambhir, kohli, raina,chawla,RP singh, ishant, nehra etc are always favoured & not from west. For west player u have to be as talented as sachin to be in team Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: On MSD by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 12, 2012 01:43 PM biggest politicain of indian cricket dhoni is from north- east only Forward   |   Report abuse

Re: No alternative by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 12, 2012 01:45 PM dhoni test avg is 37. dhoni overseas test avg is less than 25. Dhoni 2nd inning test avg is less than 25. No overseas century or MOM for dhoni. Now see record of other wktkeeper batsman sangarkara,deviller, mclumn, boucher, gilly & top indian batsman avg. Stop barking mr jha with wrong data    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: No alternative by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 11:13 AM very well said bhavesh...amarnath wants to make sehwag or gambhir captain even though their performances are worse...he is like any other regional selector and wants players of his region like sehwag gambhir kohli mishra in his team...as the stats have shown specialist batsmen like sehwag, gambhir, kohli, sachin etc. have done worse than dhoni and they come much higher than dhoni in batting order...and hence can plan and pace their innings and have security of specialist players at the other end ...such type of advantage is not their for dhoni who mostly bats at no 7...that also should be taken into consideration when comparing ...is it fair to expect scores and 100s like the top 5 specialist batsman when nobody has ever claimed that he is a better test batsman than the top 5... many people here simply are not logical and reasonable when they do their comparison and in their expectations...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: No alternative by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 11:26 AM To score 29 runs ave for the last 20 tests you don't need all that planning. It is worth noting that he did not play much with the tail during these times, as he was the first to be dismissed after his arrival at crease! If you compare with players like Gilchrist or Sangakkara, we can see no merit of Dhono's spot being wasted, as we have better alternatives. Remember when Dhoni became captain he had no prior experience of being captain.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: No alternative by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 12:12 PM Agree, Gilchrist/Sangakara/ABD type of keepers are assets unlike this burden called Dhoni.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 01:22 PM you forgot to add dravid to the list to that type of keepers...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 01:43 PM dravid was a part time keeper thanks to ganguly Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: No alternative by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 12:34 PM so you agree that scoring at around 30 runs is to be considered a failure for dhoni....that means according to you he is much better that average suggests and accordingly we should expect much more from him...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 12:51 PM Yes, since Gilchrist's arrival the expectaion from the role has changed. See every team now. Wicket keeper is expected to be a batsman as well.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 01:24 PM correct so you are saying he is playing below his actual strength..i suppose i will have to agree with that.... Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 01:26 PM but unfortunately that is the case with ALL our batsmen...the same is happening with sachin, sehwag dravid, laxman, kohli, gambhir etc. yes true that dravid and laxman are no longer there but if we are considering performances in the last 20 matches all the above players are there in the list...like you have observed dhoni is certainly not alone... Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 01:29 PM btw have you checked karthik and saha's test performance with dhoni's test performance? what are your comments regarding that? and who is your candidate for indian gilchrist, indian sangakkara, indian dravid, indian deviliers etc? Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 12, 2012 01:48 PM saha & kartik doesn't have luxary to play 72 test. If they are allow to play 72 test -their avg will much better than useless dhoni Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: No alternative by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 11:13 AM Don't always go by stats. But if you want, see last 20 Test matches of Dhoni, he averages only 29! How can you compare that with any batsman? It is not about any specific person being captain. If he is not having the attitude to play Tests, he should be replaced. By external influence, Mohinder may be referring to the commercial houses who have invested in Dhoni!    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: No alternative by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 02:25 PM mr jay one habit of yours that very much amuses me is your saying dont go by stats and then you go on to do the same....you argue in stats and when the other presents you with stats u say dont always go by stats...so you want to use stats selectively? use only the stats which are convenient and comfortable to you? and erase all the stats that are inconvenient and uncomfortable to you?    Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: Re: Re: No alternative by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 03:42 PM What I say is that plain stats is meaningless. eg If you just see Dhoni's career stats it will not be clear that his last 20 Tests ave of 29 is unimpressive. People still got their image of his batting in the first 40 Tests.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 11:18 PM and jay what about other players like sachin sehwag kohli dravid laxman etc. you are speaking as if it happens only with dhoni...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 11:20 PM you are really great ...for you same rules dont apply to everybody right? only dhoni is your target? when you say look not at the past glory but present performance...i gave you present performances of other players...naturally you did not like those stats and started talking about what sehwag did before the 2 yrs etc etc...now what about not talking about past glory? you really have double standards mr. jay...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No alternative by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 11:24 PM on one hand you say dont talk about past glory and talk about present performances...then you say dont see the stats alone...you say plain stats is meaningless... so it all has to do with what is your convenience right? what stats you feel comfortable with... if you are comfortable with stats you will say these are the stats if you are not comfortable with what the stats show you will say dont talk about stats stas are meaningless...etc. etc... and when it suits you you will talk about past glory of your favorite players..otherwise you will say dont about past glory of some selective players... your attitude is like saying...heads i win tails you lose...anyway you want to admit to only the stats that suit you and have long term memory loss about those stats which make you uncomfortable...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: No alternative by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 12:14 PM Exactly....! Bradman's avg was 99.9, does that mean he deserves a seat even today (forgetting that he is no more)? These fools see only past glory and not recent performances.    Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: But, how Tendulkar deserves seat. Only because Regional Polit by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 12:10 PM 3. Past Glory 4. Last but not the least, spineless & senseless BCCI    Forward   |   Report abuse

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Re: Re: Re: Mukund Vaidya by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 11:57 AM you are telling me the same thing i was first telling you (not to make irrelevant comparisons as comparison between Dhoni's batting & Amarnath's batting, etc). :)    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mukund Vaidya by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 12:40 PM and what are u doing dhobi? are u not doing the same...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mukund Vaidya by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 02:14 PM mr dhobi dhoni has played more cricket than mohinder amarnath and also achieved more than him... Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mukund Vaidya by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 02:32 PM mukund, it is your imagination. who prevents you from not thinking otherwise or repeating what i say? Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mukund Vaidya by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 12:52 PM i gave you an example and told you not to compare. some dullard has reported that message also. when did i compare people of 2 eras who have nothing in common? Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mukund Vaidya by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 12:53 PM hey, i was arguing with one called mukund vaidya regarding the topic. from where did you barge in? Forward   |   Report abuse

Re: Dhoni ---- by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:35 AM i do agree with this point..dhoni has shouldered a lot of burden and he is perhaps getting carried away with it...when players of all countries are getting injured left right and centre he is the one who for the last 7-8 years has rarely taken a break and plays all formats and all matches ...he plays the maximum of all modern day players yet because of his strength and fitness does not have to miss matches due to injuries etc. but yes this certainly has taken a toll on his performance and he is unable to give his best... i too think he should rest himself from few series and few games occasionally...i wish he should stop thinking that he alone must bear all the burden and rather should show the guts he had showed when after the cb series win in australia he asked the board to rest him for the test series against SL in SL because of mental and physical fatigue due to constant cricket...everyone knows how we lost the test series in sl due to murali mendis magic and we lost 1-2 even though dhoni did not play and sehwag, gambhir, laxman dravid kumble sachin ganguly were in the team... later dhoni came back rejuvenated and lead india to series win in one dayers though not many expected it after the test series loss and sachin and sehwag also did not play the odi series that followed the test series... i wish dhoni also should take some break from time to time for his own sake too...    Forward   |   'Report abuse' disabled by moderator

Re: Its 11 Players game.. by SIMPLE on Dec 12, 2012 10:47 AM This Captain has no capacity to charge his team. It is the duty of the Captain. When winning a match goes in favour of the Captain, then why he is not liable for disastrous condition of the team?    Forward   |   Report abuse

Re: comparison again by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 12, 2012 01:57 PM all fake. Dhoni avg against Aus/Eng/SA/WI overseas is less than 25. His overall 2nd inning avg in test less than 25. Who cares what he score on flat Pak/Bng/SLK/India pitch against weak bowling & under no pressure in 1st inning    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 02:20 PM bharat ratna's average against Aus/Eng/SA/WI overseas is less than 15. His overall 2nd inning avg in test less than 15. Who cares what he score on flat Pak/Bng/SLK/India pitch against weak bowling & under no pressure in 1st inning    Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: comparison again by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 09:52 AM Don't misuse the statistical tools available for such failed cases. Dhoni never qualifies as a batsman when you compare with Mohinder, Viswanath or Vengsarkar! Then why there is a question of comparison? Do you know the quality of every century scored by Amarnath or Viswanath? Can Dhoni last 1 over against the bowlers like that faced by Mohinder in 1977 Perth or 1976 Kingston! For your information 100s are not everything. Mohinder's 60 in Kingston, Viswanath's 97 in Chepauk were as good as any innings can be. Don't try to prove 1=3 by doing tricks.    Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: Re: Re: comparison again by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 09:55 AM no abuses please. abuses should be reserved for non performing players like Dhoni/Sachin/Zaheer/Harbhajan/Ishanth Sharma.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 09:55 AM mr jay i am not trying any tricks..i am telling you the facts as they are...and i know quality of every century of amarnath and vishwanath and also of dhoni...i am not speaking through my hat... i have watched the full career of dhoni till now ditto about kapil dev..i have watched his first test and till the last.. i have watched sunil gavaksar, vishwanath, amarnath vengsarkar, javed zaheer lloyd, haynes greenidge richards etc. i know how much i understand about cricket thank you...on one hand you say dont compare players of different era and incidentally you are the ones who started to comment about players of different generations..    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: comparison again by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 12, 2012 01:52 PM mukund u are as useless, medicore, manipulative & political as dhoni.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 11:27 PM ASHISH KUMAR YOU ARE AS ''medicare'' as your favorite grandpa srt...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: comparison again by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 10:12 AM I have also watched Kapil from his debut till retirement. I had started seeing a few years earlier when Kirmani, Veng Sarkar made debut. I have also seen a vast treasure of videos of cricket matches, thanks to many genuine cricket enthusiasts who shared their video tapes and have talked to quite a few cricketers, played cricket at University level etc. So do not under-estimate me either. Yes, I never encourage comparing players of different era, that too in a team game. Even in individual games we can not compare. But you have to know the class. Dhoni as a batsman can not be compared with any of the batsmen of that quality like Viswanath or Mohinder.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:20 AM mr jay it is winning attitude and temperament that counts...dhoni may not be classical like those players and his shots may look ugly but he has nerve temperament and winning attitude and has many times won us position with his unorthodox and even ugly looking batting for some where his more senior colleagues have failed because they dont have the necessary nerve temperament and attitude though they may have better records and technique than him...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 12, 2012 01:54 PM his nerve is worst. His 2nd inning avg in test is less than 25 with no century & only one half century. His avg in England/SA/Aus is leass than 25. Who cares for his avg in SLK/Pak/Zim/Bng counting them as overseas Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 02:18 PM srt nerve is the worstest his 2nd innnigs average in test is lss than 15 with no century an dno half century his avg in eng sa aus is less than 15 who cares his avg in india. also who cares for his avg in slk pak zim bg counting them as overseas? Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:23 AM take azhar and sanjay manrjekar for instance..sanjay manjrekar was supposed to be the one who was better and having superior technique etc... while azhar was not regarded by many as having the best technique but do you know azhar and manjrekar stats and who showed technique and who showed the wins? Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by Jay on Dec 12, 2012 11:29 AM But one can not tolerate poor performance as a batsman (29 ave for the last 20 Tests), and poor Test record as capt (10 losses in last 13 Tests) means we need a change. Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 09:58 AM true 100s are not everything...and that is also one thing that people who speak against dhoni should realize and ask how mnay 100s he has scored...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 09:59 AM maybe his no of 100s are less...but dont forget his 70s 80s and 90s tooo...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 10:01 AM and his 0s, dropped catches, failed helicopter shots, etc.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by rajkamal dubey on Dec 12, 2012 10:03 AM and his idiotic decisons as captain....foolish fielding placements, bad bowling changes, wrong choice of team etc. Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:07 AM yes and same about players about past generation too...there 0s their dropped catches failures etc.... Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 10:09 AM sure, when people like you defend loserswho stay on past glory, why not etcs also?? Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:12 AM well why not... when losers of past generations also do the same? Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:15 AM i mean why not mr dhobi why cant i do it when you do the same regarding losers of past generations? if dhoni is a loser and i am defending him i am sorry to say you are doing the same about players of past generations... Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:15 AM why not mr dhoni why cant i do it when you do the same regarding losers of past generations? if dhoni is a loser and i am defending him i am sorry to say you are doing the same about players of past generations... Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:17 AM btw mr dhoni forgive my saying so but this concept of winners is more correct when you talk of the last 10 yrs...they have won many things...sadly players of the generation you are talking about did not win that many...and were actually called as losers even at that time.... Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 10:26 AM LOLLLL, when did I say you cannot defend loooossseers? Go ahead. Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: comparison again by rajkamal dubey on Dec 12, 2012 09:56 AM Mukund Vaidya is the illegitimate ...stard child of sunil vaidya and ms dhonbee    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: comparison again by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 09:56 AM LOLLLLL    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: comparison again by mukund vaidya on Dec 12, 2012 10:00 AM and you are of srt, correct?    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: comparison again by MS Dhobi on Dec 12, 2012 10:02 AM so you accept what he says?? :)    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: comparison again by rajkamal dubey on Dec 12, 2012 10:04 AM but who is the mother...dhonbee or vaidya ???    Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: No Sir by sukalyan swar on Dec 12, 2012 09:42 AM I think you should go to criket school amd spend atleast 10 years and then open your mouth. R u a fan of dhuni?    Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: Re: No Sir by parvaiz khan on Dec 12, 2012 10:03 AM just go and read on cricinfo,these are simple facts and statistics,if still you can not understand ,you go proper school.    Forward   |   Report abuse