I would not blame Dhoni one bit. Look at the team that played in england. Either feigning injury or the real one , we did not have players at all. If Dhoni the captain is to be saved , then better cut down on the matches. Else even he would give up. First few losses pains , after that it does not mean much. Anyways he has made enuf money so he might not even bother if hes sacked. But the loss will be fo india and the fans. Am not a great fan of his batting or keeping , nothwithstanding his sixes galore. But as a captain , he has given us enuf to cheer. Game will not be killed , atleast in india. But we need some good players. high time we got some good bowlers. Thats where the weak link is.
Re: Beyond threshhold ..
by Jiju on Oct 08, 2011 11:17 AM
Whether it is Sachin or Dhoni or Dravid. No one cares in cricket. Cricket is not dependent on one person. Someone better will come.
Re: Beyond threshhold ..
by pratik nidhi bhardwaj. on Oct 08, 2011 12:55 PM
In world cup bollinger,hauritz,derothy,leon marsh,mike hussey half world cup did not played due to injury.Sir ricky thomas ponting and co. did not given excuse why?If bollinger,derothy played then result must in favour of australia,Australia must win world cup 3rd time in captaincy of Sir Ricky thomas ponting.But malya cricket played with team work not with players.
I would not blame Dhoni one bit. Look at the team that played in england. Either feigning injury or the real one , we did not have players at all. If Dhoni the captain is to be saved , then better cut down on the matches. Else even he would give up. First few losses pains , after that it does not mean much. Anyways he has made enuf money so he might not even bother if hes sacked. But the loss will be fo india and the fans. Am not a great fan of his batting or keeping , nothwithstanding his sixes galore. But as a captain , he has given us enuf to cheer. Game will not be killed , atleast in india. But we need some good players. high time we got some good bowlers. Thats where the weak link is.
LEADERSHIP in INDIA is a highly propaganda biased, truely Midocre quality, well paid by public funds( in nut shell Prathibhaless Prathibhtized Public performance by Public Praised Personalities) commidity.
Against the 3 greatest fast bowlers of his era, whom he faced in more than one Test series, McGrath, Donald and Akram, Sachin has scored 1719 Test runs at a modest average of 34.3 (compared to his career average of 56).
Re: Sachin Against Quality Pace
by silver mani on Oct 07, 2011 06:19 AM
In 76 ODIs where Sachin Played these three Fast bowlers his average is 31.64.He scored only 2 Centuries in these 76 Matches and these two centuries came on Indian Pitches..Against Playing Allan Donald he crossed fifty just 3 times in 26 innings!
Re: Re: Sachin Against Quality Pace
by silver mani on Oct 07, 2011 06:21 AM
In tests Against South Africa when Allan Donald plays his Average is 32.Similarly his Average against Pakistan when Wasim Akram Plays is 32.
Re: Re: Re: Sachin Against Quality Pace
by silver mani on Oct 07, 2011 06:24 AM
Against Australia when Glen Mcgrath Plays his average is just 36.77 wheras in Glen Mcgrath Absence his average against Australia rise to 70. Interestingly Brian Lara Average against Australia when Mcgrath plays is 64.82.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin Against Quality Pace
by Rajiv Kumar on Oct 07, 2011 07:30 AM
Sachin,Dravid,Lakshman,Zaheer and Harbhajan should be dropped.Dhoni should be rested for 1-2 months.Only then India can win matches.
There are ups and downs, glory and defeat but one thing is assured -- a very bright furute for Indian cricket. India's talent pool is too diverse, too wide and too deep for it to be written off. There was some mental lapses after the triumph in World Cup. Critics should not write India off because of India's third string team's defeat to England in their home ground. India will humilate England and get even soon.
Re: There are ups and downs
by Against Pseudos on Oct 07, 2011 05:11 AM
Gurjot Singh:
Yawn.... everytime we lose it is either because of someone cheating, umpires needing to be kicked out, or our "third string" side being forced into battle etc. etc...
BTW, no one denies that there are "ups and downs" and "wins and losses".... What everyone is concerned with is the abject surrender without the semblance of a fight and a complete 'whitewash' since 1974.... THAT's concerning....
And I'm honoured to note that Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Raina, Dhoni, Harbhajan, Praveen Kumar, RP Singh, Ashwin, Parthiv etc. are all "Third rate" players....hence you termed our team in England as a "third string" team.....
BTW, before the England series begin, did you not forecasta a similar "We will humiliate them in England" after Darren Gough said the English team can beat the Indians every day of the year?
And in any case, England SHOULD be humiliated by India since they are coming with a fourth string side.... (like absence of Zaheer made us third rate, I'm sure that absence of Anderson and Broad will make the England side Fourth string)
Re: There are ups and downs
by T Sarkar on Oct 08, 2011 11:47 AM
I agree, there are Ups and Downs as well as Win and Loss; I have a serious objection on the way India lost to England; there was non resistance at all. Regarding India's diverse talent pool -- it's a farce: In past 15 years, how many quality Opening Test-Batsmen India has produced? Only 2: Shewag and Gambhir; How many genuine fast bowler India has produced? Probably zero, no one has consistency after Zaheer, even Zaheer often gets injured, rested etc; How many good Wicket Keepers? I doubt. Over the years, India has produced only middle order Batsmen and Spinners. India's one day team is playing excessive Cricket (blame it to BCCI); but in Test, the time has come to rethink and re-strategize.
It's a conspiracy by Sachin Tendulkar to reduce popularity of MSD. ST has great hold on BCCI as well as all players in Indian team. Greg Chappel was removed as soon as he commented on Sachin. Look at the celebration of world cup, it was all Sachin and MSD was no where in picture. Sachin and co played very well till world cup but now they do not want MSD to grow further. One of the Rajasthan Royals officials commented on Sachin and he is in deep trouble now. It's not childish comments but a fact. Sehwag and MSD doesn’t have good chemistry is well known to world. Anyways, I believe MSD would come up strong in future as he has the art of controlling emotions.
Re: Believe it or not
by Sameer Paranjape on Oct 07, 2011 04:29 AM
Mr raj, Your views above doesn't support Dhoni's indivisual contribution in the recent matches that india have lost. Tell me how many tons Dhoni has scored in those matches?
Re: Re: Believe it or not
by Raj Thakre on Oct 07, 2011 05:54 AM
I too used to consider MSD as lucky captain untill the way he played in finals of WC 2011. You need guts to play in pressure situation which Sachin really lags.
Re: Re: Re: Believe it or not
by Against Pseudos on Oct 07, 2011 01:39 PM
Raj Thakre:
Good point. So after that fluke WC 2011 gambler innings, Dhoni too has proven for the past 3 months how he "lags" guts to play in pressure situation.... Right?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Believe it or not
by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 08, 2011 10:24 AM
pseudo: perhaps someday you will realize the difference between playing in pressure situations and winning...
MSD has played many times in pressure situations and many times won it...
sachin on the other hand has rarely played well or helped us win when in pressure situations...
whether we win the match overcoming the pressure situations comes afterwards. first thing is we should at least play well in that situations...
people would not criticise sachin so much if he at least could play well in them. other 10 players have MORE such innings under their name than sachin inspite of playing for less time and less matches than him...
these 10 players have many times played well under pressure situations and helped india either to win the match or save the match and at times gone down fighting...
sachin does not have many such innings to show in spite of having played more matches and more years than the others...
its okay if we lose the match in pressure situation but sachin does not even show the nerve temperament attitude and gumption to put up fight at such times. that is what people cant digest. thats what rankles...
at least even though we lost the england odi series dhoni fought well inall matches even though sometimes situations was bad when he came to bat...sachin does not even show
even if we lost the odi series at least dhoni played well in pressure situations and was MOS... sachin cannot do that..ok if we lose but sachin does not even fight..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Believe it or not
by Jiju on Oct 08, 2011 11:12 AM
Dears, what is the use to India of Dhoni's MOS in a series which we lost badly? It is only manipulation and gambling by which Dhoni has got these so called laurels of a great batsman. More than the runs he has scored, he has cost India with his sub-standard keeping. When the pitch is easy, he comes up higher in the order. He was very lucky until Gary Kirsten was the coach. The way he lead the team in West Indies tests proves that he is as confused as a hen. If anyone is living on fluke, it is Dhoni and Raul Vinci in India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Believe it or not
by silver mani on Oct 08, 2011 12:24 PM
Sunil Vaidhya Against the 3 greatest fast bowlers of his era, whom he faced in more than one Test series, McGrath, Donald and Akram, Sachin has scored 1719 Test runs at a modest average of 34.3 (compared to his career average of 56).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Believe it or not
by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 08, 2011 02:55 PM
yes silver mani i know sachin whenever he has scored well against any great bowler it was always on flat pitch and easy conditions. whenever the pitch was behaving badly or there was pressure sachin almost always has failed...
Re: Believe it or not
by Against Pseudos on Oct 07, 2011 04:54 AM
Raj Thakre:
Hmmmmm.... so you mean to say that we actually won the Test series, the lone T20, and the ODI series in England... and that CSK has again won the CLT20?
Kumble - who is also the president of the Karnataka State Cricket Association (KSCA), the chairman of the National Cricket Academy (NCA) and a mentor with the IPL team Royal Challengers Bangalore - is in a position to influence the selection of players managed by Tenvic, the latest issue of Outlook magazine quoted sources as saying. Two Karnataka players who have been selected to play for India in the upcoming series against England - Vinay Kumar and S Aravind - are also with Tenvic,
