Time for me to say gud ni8... all of u have a good time and hope u all have a great start tomorrow.. @sports lover...sorry if I have bored you with an overdose of old cricket
Re: Indians know their game
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:27 AM
There is one of our friend here and his display is Senthil. He once told me that a person with display name of 'Len Hutton' was writing for some Times magazine or newspaper and that is why he didn't mess with him. And my reply was who really cares man we know our cricket ;-). Unless of course he is from the era of @cricketfan or @NG :P
Re: Re: Indians know their game
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 01:29 AM
When cricketfan and NG were in uniforms, sportlover, you were in liquid form! :-p
Re: Indians know their game
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 01:26 AM
Absolutely... and when some porkis or hooligans come in here, then the experts will say that people in India are so colorful in cussing! :-D
Re: Re: Indians know their game
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:28 AM
what are your views about sunil_k NG? He thinks other don't know a shit and he is the real expert. You know him?
Re: Re: Re: Indians know their game
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 01:30 AM
i dont know, iam only familiar with some 5 or 6 names. I started commenting here only a week back. I used to come here rarely before but started coming here almost daily, from last week
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indians know their game
by Rajan S on Oct 02, 2010 02:37 AM
i think wat i typed in malaayalam was found abuse by moderator. Anyway i live in panampilly nagar, which is in the middle of cochin itself. So thats my answer to ur yesterday's ques ... he he
So who should be credited with introducing the trend? Sachin, Srikanth or Greatbatch. I beleive it should be sachin because it was from then that the whole game in the first 15 overs started changing. It is bcoz of sachin that, the other team also, in this case is nzl, was forced to adapt the same idea and sent left handed chris harris to open and do the same for them.
Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 01:10 AM
And u all would be remembering that sachin infact started scoring centuries after he became an opener. But I think the first century though was achieved while he was batting at no: 4 against aussies. Thus sachin after became opener became more consistent as well as attacking and that set the pace for others to follow.
Re: Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:15 AM
Yes I think he scored his first century after playing 84 games or about that.
Re: Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 01:15 AM
Infact sachin was known as a rare talent from the day he started playing cricket. But his real potential in odi's was realized only after he was promoted to open the innings. That change was made only after him playing 6 or 7 years of Intl cricket. Now, though sachin is regarded as one of the all time greats, but his odi record is the one which stands above the rest. But his real odi potential as i said, was realized after 6 r 7 years of his intl cricket. Seems he is much more greater player than what we credit him!!!
Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by cricketfan on Oct 01, 2010 01:12 AM
Srikkanth invented and later modified & adapted by others.
Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:14 AM
Search for greatbatch. I think he along with Martin Crowe was responsible for Newzeland reaching the semi final. Pak won the semi final because of inzmaam and eventually the final
Re: Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 01:19 AM
I cant comment too much since i havent exactly started watching cricket seriously. But i can say that even after i started watching, from 1992 after the wc, the playing style in the first 15 overs were really slow. I remember sidhu and prabhakar opening for india, and scoring 100 runs in the first 30 or 31 overs, and then end up with a score of 235 or 240 runs
Re: Re: Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 01:21 AM
All the newspapers at that time was all praise for sachin's 41 ball 82 against nzl when he first came to open, chasing nzl's 135 or 134. I think it was the third match of the 5 match odi series, played in nzl
Re: Re: Re: So who should be credited with introducing the trend?
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:22 AM
Score of 230-250 was considered almost match winning in those days.
Re: Re: Re: Re: So who should be credited with introducing the tr
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 01:27 AM
hmm. a score of 225 was a decent score i think. And look at the transformation. Now, if a team gets out for 225 then its really curtains for them in that match with 3 power plays being introduced. Its really have become a batsman's game
Re: Hello Rajib
by rajib sen on Oct 01, 2010 06:24 PM
hehehe rightly said.....yeah u r rite our memory this days mes up with our hectic schedule and alcohol...
Re: Vengsarkar
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:10 AM
I have seen vengsarker play aggressively only in some masters cup (played by veterans). He hit a very fast bolwer from West Indies named moosly or something for huge sixes.
Re: Re: Vengsarkar
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 01:13 AM
I read a lot abt his batting... he was the best Indian bastsmen all both forms of the game.. He used to play no 3!
Re: Re: Re: Vengsarkar
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:18 AM
He was good no doubt about that. I have seen Gavaskar, Amarnaath, Vengsarkar play. Scoring 3 centuries in entire one day carrier was good going then. Sidhu surpassed them by scoring 6 and now look at the stats.
Re: NG you must have be 60 years old
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 01:01 AM
I used to read sports start when I was a kid. My uncle used to have a huge collection. I will flip through the cricket pages alone.. he he
I used to even read Ranji matches.. Lalchand Rajput hitting centuries, KP Bhaskar hitting double centuries etc
I am not 60 yet. In a couple of years, I will hit that mark! he he he
Re: Re: NG you must have be 60 years old
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:04 AM
Even I used to read sports start. You are not that old it means. Actually I didn't use to read but used to cut those pictures in that magazine so that I could paste them in my physical education notebook :-). I remember one picture raman lamba getting bowled out by pattrick patterson and wicket was broken and pieces were flying in the air.
Re: NG you must have be 60 years old
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 12:58 AM
must be 60 years old I mean. he he he. You are that much used to write he he he. That when you want to write 'he' you still write 'he he he' :-)
Re: Re: NG you must have be 60 years old
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 12:59 AM
well, now that Alex is dead, I cant blame his m.o.t.h.e.r for that typing of he he he he :-p
Re: Re: Re: NG you must have be 60 years old
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 01:02 AM
I think he was here few days ago not sure if he later died in accident? If he did then what kind of accident it was? Only you can explain.
Re: Re: Re: Re: NG you must have be 60 years old
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 01:04 AM
He died of Sperm overdose! Cops are saying it was not a suicide or murder! :-p
In that series, i think we played a 5 match odi series with Nzl. the jerseys were full white. In the third match or so, nzl got bowled out for some 134 runs. And sachin asked azhar to give him the opening slot as the target was too low, so no risk in it. And sachin smashed a whirlwind 41 ball 82 , which in those days were unbeleivable for others. Finally gavin larsen got his wkt.he was lbw. So as india found a new opener, nzl in response asked chris harris to open to score quick runs. SO what i wanted to tell u is that, It was sachin who introduce the style of scoring quick runs in the first 15 ovrs and not jayasuriya as all beleive. Jayasuriya did that in 1996 wc but sachin started that in 1994 nz series
Re: @sportslover
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 12:44 AM
I think it was Mark Greatbatch from New Zealand who started hitting out in first 15 overs. He was the first one to do it and he was merciless.
Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 12:51 AM
May be. I dont exactly remember bcoz only from then on did i start to follow cricket though i remember some moments from the 1992wc. But all commentators and the cricketing world, now credit it to sanath jayasuriya.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 12:53 AM
Perhaps because Jaisuriya and Kalu did it from both sides :p. You know what I mean by both sides. ha haha
Re: @sportslover
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 12:45 AM
As sachin introduced the attacking style in the first 15 overs, nzl had to counter it to stay in the series and so they introduced the left handed chris harris to score quick runs which thus set a trend. And, i say that, the trend was set by sachin and not by jayasuriya. i can say this anywhere. I still wonder with the recordings of all the ckt matches, why the cricket world forgets it and credit it to jayasuriya. Iam really shocked with that. All people who doubt it may search internet. I think the data will be available. I beleive it is in 1994 but am certain that it is before the 1996 WC
Re: @sportslover
by cricketfan on Oct 01, 2010 12:43 AM
No,it was long back and it was our current chairman of selectors Srikkanth who set the tone..watch WC 1983 video and u will realise
Re: Re: @sportslover
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 12:45 AM
I don't think there were any field restrictions in 1983 world cup. Like during first 15 overs only 2-3 players outside the 30 years circle allowed?
Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by cricketfan on Oct 01, 2010 12:48 AM
yes,,still Srikkanth used to hit six over point and third man..he really set the tone. Once SMG remarked that he had an ambition...to score a century faster than Srikkanth
Re: Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 12:54 AM
And that never happened. And by the way SMG only scored one century in his life and that too was his last match I think. And he was hitting Ian chattfield ( who is driving taxi these days) for sixes. I had never seen such attacking batting by him before.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by cricketfan on Oct 01, 2010 12:57 AM
In the first WC 1975,I think it was 40 overs..SMG opened and reamined,if my memory serves me right, 36not out..he he he
Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 12:53 AM
I cannot say that.bcoz i dont remember watching live matches in 1983 wc since i was only 2yrs old then
Re: Re: @sportslover
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 12:46 AM
Yes. Srikkanth started using the fielding restrictions to the fullest! Those days a run rate of 5 in ODIs was a huge thing...!
Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Sports Lover on Oct 01, 2010 12:49 AM
But he normally didn't use to last long. Did he? :-). He'll hit 6 first ball of the match and get out next ball. But he was really entertaining player.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 12:56 AM
yes. i heard srikanth dont use to stay there for long bcoz had he been doing that, he would have been known as one of the greatest players . if he was scoring at that pace and if he was that consistent, particularly bcz it was during that time, then he would have been one of the greatest. As far as i know he was only a good player. Not a great
Re: Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 12:54 AM
I remeber a match against WI in which he hit 5 sixes.. those times in 90s it was a huge thing.. he he he scored a 100 in that match! And India won the match..
And WI had Ambrose, Walsh, Patterson, Benjamin.....!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @sportslover
by Nostradamus Great on Oct 01, 2010 12:57 AM
they were all real passionate cricketers and todays kids see some Yuvis and Dhonis and start bad mouthing the legends cos they dont select their players!!
Cricket will never be a classic game like that.. ever.. and therefore the greatness of all those selfless cricketers will stay for ever..!!
Re: Re: @sportslover
by Rajan S on Oct 01, 2010 12:49 AM
That am not able to comment. And am talking abt a 20 over 100 or something like that. Am talking about the first 100 runs being scored in 14 or 15 overs. And one more thing is that, because of sachin, nzl had to follow it up and they brought in chris harris as the opener and thus it became a trend and all teams irrespetive or their style, had to adopt this method.SO SACHIN HAS TO BE CREDITED WITH THAT, AS HE WAS THE ONE WHO FORCED ALL TEAMS TO TAKE UP THIS STYLE AND NOT JAYASURIYA AS EVERYONE BELEIVE
