Allegations have to be proved. As it goes "your are innocent until proven guilty". They have to prove many things, times of the videos, authenticity of the pictures and all. Its not easy. Hasan is a diplomat and knows how to conduct these businesses. If tomorrow the same news paper NOTW says something about Tendulkar would everyone jump on the bandwagon? So relax, i know its Pakistan, that is making everyone excited and jump like the tampering issues, let the investigations run their course.
Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Jalim Jallad on Sep 03, 2010 10:25 PM
Your percevierence is admirable. Hats off to your imagination.....u'll do justice to ur talent if u try bollywood; while even the paki ex-cricketers have hung their heads in shame over this episode (which of course as per u is mere allegation) ur steadfastness in upholding the pakis as innocent victims is really commendable......of course when Shahid Afridi was charged of ball tampering (eating up the seam), it was merely a bias against asian players u would say.....and also the fact that he himself accepted and apologised thereafter must be because Shard Pawar was the president designate of ICC at that time; poor poor pakistanis, always to innocent and honest and demure......the whole world is out to trample over them; so naieve
Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 10:59 PM
now it's out in the middle....three "idiots" have accepted the fact that they received money frm betting agent..... they declared it to authorities... now wat u r going to tell now... still argue meaninglessly.... r u mentaly stable..??? dont write like a stupid idiot...people will kick ur ass if u continue to write this kind of rubbish... now,....get lost....and never appear in this rediff room... bullshit fellow..
Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 03, 2010 07:18 PM
"idiot"....it's sports not politiccs...ur comments suits only to political scandals....not cricket.... have some commosense while talikg abt "match fixing".. entire cricket community know the facts and events ....the way PAK cricketers "played" and "lost" the game during sydney test.... eveidences are slowly and clearly indicating "spot fixing" happened during this series.....players and betting maaphia are clever enough to avoid such evidences till now.....but not this time.... watch the game know the players and the evnts happend and match situation.......u will come to know abt this "fishy" thing...dont talk like a judge...
Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by peter saul on Sep 03, 2010 07:37 PM
"Stupid". See how sports and politics have blended in India. If you didn't knew that, why flaunt your ignorance! IPL scam is just enough as an example but for dimwits like you, there is so much everywhere to prove the marriage of sports with politics.
Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 03, 2010 07:57 PM
another stupid idiot commenting nothing abt "spot fixing" but on politics ...... dont know this guy have any proper cricket knowledge... lifting seam of a cricket ball... disfiguring the ball to achieve revese swing... match fixing...these are rhe charecteritic features of PAK cricketers.... idiot.....IPL is not a pure international cricket... it's a cricketing entertainment and channel for the flow of black money....it's bullshit.. talk abt test cricket and match fixing...
Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Jalim Jallad on Sep 03, 2010 10:37 PM
One often ends up showing his ignorance by the road he takes to hide it. Buddy, if u do not know, IPL is merely a business venture; it does not represent any board or any country. Even if there are umpteen number of scams in IPL, it does not taint any test team or any board. But all the same, the IPL seems to have served its purpose if the audience is gullible enough to equate its status with an international match. It means the IPL marketing strategy gets full marks for its efforts.....if you still fail to grasp the difference, then let me explain by telling u, it is the WWF of cricket, perhaps this may help u to understand the difference between a test mach/odi/t20 intl and the IPL....since my 4 yr old nephew has now understood the difference, I would presume that u would too.......PERHAPS
Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Gugga on Sep 03, 2010 07:30 PM
An idiot calling me idiot. Dear spot fixing happened, right? you have to prove it. Pakistan was allegated for ball tampering at Oval was it proved? Hair had to leave in despair! Imran Khan had sued Allan Lamb and Botham and won the case in UK for the same reason. If you are allegating, you better prove it else you are going to jail! Else many things look fishy, does not mean that its fixing! I will talk like a judge than a foolish like you!
Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 03, 2010 07:46 PM
ohh..god...this fellow talks like a lawyer....no nothing abt cricket and especialy cricket ball....he thinks all PAK bowlers dont know anything abt "reverse swing".... u know anything abt ball tempering..??? a "seam" on cricket ball/??? how PAKIS used to disfigure seam and shape of cricket ball to achieve "reverse swing..??? dont talk like an idiot.... have some proper cricket knowledge and PAK cricket histroy...they are "masters" in cheating "ball tempering" and "fixing " matches ....unfortunately ICC has no "experties" and "committment" to catch them red handed.... sydney test is a classic example of "match fixing"....but it cant be prooved through evidences...these players are smart enough...betting maphia also and it runs deep into PAK cricket administration.... illegal money is found right in the captain "butt's" room...everything is revealing now....dont know wat's ur problem..?? if u dont know...keep quite and know the facts....things will come out soon...
Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 10:58 PM
now it's out in the middle....three "idiots" have accepted the fact that they received money frm betting agent..... they declared it to authorities... now wat u r going to tell now... still argue meaninglessly.... r u mentaly stable..??? dont write like a stupid idiot...people will kick ur ass if u continue to write this kind of rubbish... now,....get lost....and never appear in this rediff room... bullshit fellow..
Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Left Front on Sep 03, 2010 07:25 PM
Does the name Pakistan has any integrity anymore? It has become synonimous with fraud, terrorism, lies etc.
Nobody has any doubt that all the pakistani players are tainted including their board.
The question of proving doesn't arise. Ban Pak cricket for lifetime. They are the crooks. The world would be a much better place without them.
Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by amit verma on Sep 03, 2010 07:27 PM
Y r u supporting pakistan this much...we all have read the article..and these pakis r blaming ICC so much coz of presence of Sharad Powar...now y r they blaming him if they r nt sure that its his hand behind suspension of their players...they can only curse india for all their wrong doings...and dats all wat they r doing...venting their anger on india !!
Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Gugga on Sep 03, 2010 07:35 PM
Amit, thats what you thinking that Pakistan is blaming Pawar cause he is from India (using the political angle). This is not the case, he named him as he is representing ICC not Govt of India. So if he named Lorgat, does it mean he is blaming South Africa? Its not political, everybody knows Indian bookies are strong. Even Majeed the culprit has said his hadlers are from India (means indian origin not Govt of India), which can be totally a lie or true. That is why i am saying let the allegations be proved. If i make a video saying i bribed Indian team to loose the final, i better prove it that it was made when where and by whom. Else, you may be right, but if you can not prove it, its nothing. That is law!
Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Gugga on Sep 03, 2010 07:38 PM
So why India was allowed to play when Azhar and Jadeja were banned? they should have banned team India? right? Individuals will be given punishment. Now if i say the guy caught in USA with knuckles and jihadi literature is a terrorist, would you agree? he has been allegated right? they have to prove it? until then he is not! But I understand your hate for Pakistan, cause you have to prove how nationalist you are!
Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 10:57 PM
now it's out in the middle....three "idiots" have accepted the fact that they received money frm betting agent..... they declared it to authorities... now wat u r going to tell now... still argue meaninglessly.... r u mentaly stable..??? dont write like a stupid idiot...people will kick ur ass if u continue to write this kind of rubbish... now,....get lost....and never appear in this rediff room... bullshit fellow..
Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by amit verma on Sep 03, 2010 08:10 PM
ECB and england players were nt comfortable to play wid these tainted players...and for the time being this is wat best ICC can do...thr was a growing feeling in england and a very strong 1 that this series shudnt go on...but they wanted cricket to go on...and for the players to play on in a normal environment...dis is wat best they cud have done...in any way pak players themselves didnt want to play..so dis decison is completely fare...y pakis making such hue cry abt it nw...just coz sharad powar is an indian...they wudnt have raised their voices and vented it out on ICC if he wudnt have been there...and toking of politics..just 2 days back in an article , a paki newspaper blamed Powar for everything even before this news of dropping theplayers came...even blames RAW for everything...i guess u got my point now !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Gugga on Sep 04, 2010 11:06 AM
ECB was comfortable to play apartheid South Africa and not ZImbabwe! SO do not talk about ECB! Newspapers and commentators blame other countries and use conspiracy angles! Just watch youtube vids about Indian media announcing that India is going to thrash Pakistan in 2009 ICC match and all the "akray" were in indias favor. They were making fun of Pakistan. Next day, they were making fun of India and saying India should learn from Pakistan! Dont talk about media. I tell you if this comes out nothing, it wont be a news!!!! But they are allegated it is a big news, check Paki channels they are running those no balls like every hour to make fun of them! So be sensible and do not get into media hype. If it was so evident as predicted, Scotland yard would have jailed them! and all the evidence would have been brought out! Since there are some issues with evidence, they are still investigating!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 10:56 PM
now it's out in the middle....three "idiots" have accepted the fact that they received money frm betting agent..... they declared it to authorities... now wat u r going to tell now... still argue meaninglessly.... r u mentaly stable..??? dont write like a stupid idiot...people will kick ur ass if u continue to write this kind of rubbish... now,....get lost....and never appear in this rediff room... bullshit fellow..
Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by hiral joshi on Sep 03, 2010 10:35 PM
India was allowed to play because against Azhar and Jadeja action was taken by Indian board themselves and not under pressure of ICC. Indian board or govt did not blame any third party before banning the suspect match fixers. However there are no evidences against any of them with ICC. If India had played dirty tricks like Pak, ICC would have failed to ban any of these Indian player in the wake of weak laws.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by Gugga on Sep 04, 2010 11:10 AM
Dear not BCCI, it happened after Cronje charged Azhar, Jadeja, Mongia and one other player. Kapil resigned as coach, and CBI investigated them, Mongia was released while Azhar and Jadeja were banned. Same happened with Salim MAlik, he was banned by Pakistan not because of their own decision but pressure from ICC on both boards, else in Pak and India, you very well know, the definition of justice!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 10:55 PM
now it's out in the middle....three "idiots" have accepted the fact that they received money frm betting agent..... they declared it to authorities... now wat u r going to tell now... still argue meaninglessly.... r u mentaly stable..??? dont write like a stupid idiot...people will kick ur ass if u continue to write this kind of rubbish... now,....get lost....and never appear in this rediff room... bullshit fellow..
Re: Dont blame india
by Gugga on Sep 03, 2010 07:15 PM
He has not blamed India, he has blamed Pawar who is ICC chairman, and is an Indian national. SO if someone blames Ban KI Moon, it means he has accused Korea? or Haroon Lorgat means accused SOuth Africa? He has just said Indian bookies have a stake as Majeed had said his handlers are from India. Do not bring nationalism into this, read the article, no where he said that government of India is involved!
Re: Re: Dont blame india
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 11:01 PM
now it's out in the middle....three "idiots" have accepted the fact that they received money frm betting agent..... they declared it to authorities... now wat u r going to tell now... still argue meaninglessly.... r u mentaly stable..??? dont write like a stupid idiot...people will kick ur ass if u continue to write this kind of rubbish... now,....get lost....and never appear in this rediff room... bullshit fellow..
Re: Re: Dont blame india
by vijay anand on Sep 03, 2010 07:24 PM
why u r so obsessed about pakis . there is clear video evidence proving all spot fixing claims . pak board is in denial since it is in their blood to put blame on others even if they commit mistakes
Re: Re: Re: Dont blame india
by Gugga on Sep 03, 2010 07:42 PM
vijay anand- clear evidence? its not clear! The time of the video recorded is crucial. Until then, its just an allegation.!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dont blame india
by Jalim Jallad on Sep 03, 2010 10:04 PM
Your percevierence is admirable. Hats off to your imagination.....u'll do justice to ur talent if u try bollywood; while even the paki ex-cricketers have hung their heads in shame over this episode (which of course as per u is mere allegation) ur steadfastness in upholding the pakis as innocent victims is really commendable......of course when Shahid Afridi was charged of ball tampering (eating up the seam), it was merely a bias against asian players u would say.....and also the fact that he himself accepted and apologised thereafter must be because Shard Pawar was the president designate of ICC at that time; poor poor pakistanis, always to innocent and honest and demure......the whole world is out to trample over them; so naieve
Re: Re: Dont blame india
by amit verma on Sep 03, 2010 07:24 PM
Y r u supporting pakistan this much...we all have read the article..and these pakis r blaming ICC so much coz of presence of Sharad Powar...now y r they blaming him if they r nt sure that its his hand behind suspension of their players...they can only curse india for all their wrong doings...and dats all wat they r doing...venting their anger on india !!
Re: Re: Re: Dont blame india
by sunil k on Sep 03, 2010 08:08 PM
he doesent know anything abt cricket, ball tempering, reverse swing...and ...match fixing... talks like a lawyer...and like a politician... no knowledge of pak cricket history and their "ball tempering" habbits...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dont blame india
by Gugga on Sep 04, 2010 11:16 AM
First of all, Its TAMPERING! not temper! temper is ghussa! secondly, I know alot bout cricket and law that you wont be knowing. If is was so clear and evident, they would have been behind bars,its not Mumbai or Karachi that you can meddle with justice, its UK! Thirdly, how can you reverse swing now? Means you have learnt tampering? so much so that Athertin, Dravid and Tendulkar have been caught doing it! You do need to teach your bowlers some things! Imran Khan made Allan Lamb bank rupt in UK after beating him in court case regarding ball tampering! Its an art, not based on tampering. Listen to the masters Waqar, Imran, Sarfaraz and Wasim how to do it. India even use Wasim as consultant for Irfan Pathan. Aussies used Waqar. Spin legend Saqlian invented Doosra! He has coached England. Another legend Mushtaq is assistant coach of England. Intikhab Alam has coached Indian Punjab side! Its the art that speaks not mere emotions!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dont blame india
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 11:02 PM
now it's out in the middle....three "idiots" have accepted the fact that they received money frm betting agent..... they declared it to authorities... now wat u r going to tell now... still argue meaninglessly.... r u mentaly stable..??? dont write like a stupid idiot...people will kick ur ass if u continue to write this kind of rubbish... now,....get lost....and never appear in this rediff room... bullshit fellow..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dont blame india
by sunil k on Sep 04, 2010 01:39 PM
u clearly not played cricket....and no specific knowledge about revese swing...u read a lot of sports report and watched the game and writing this....u dont know abt PAK bowlers "trick" of lifting the seam and disfiguring it....reverse swing isnt an art...just roughing one side of the ball and shining the other side...everyone does this todaty... .. all these bowlers...waqaar, wasim, sarfraaz who "invented it"...are done this successfuly....no AUS and ENG bowlers do such thing...long back "jhon lever" english bowler applies vessiline to get swing and was caught red handed by indian captain "bedi".... doosra is bowled with bent elbow action...illegal action..still ICC allowing it...world wide coaches have stopped teachin this illegal action.... u r foolish....dont know the meaning of disfiguring the ball and "correcting the seam"...
I support Wajid Shamsul Hasan's views. Indians are responsible for whatever happening in Pakistan.....it includes the growth of population in Pakistan...
Purity is missing in behaviour, it is only the name of the nation which amplifies its notional characteristic, be it terrorism, be it corruption in cricket, be it fundamentalism, be it angry killings, they will always be arguementative to defend, wrong doings or rigamrole deliberately the facts caught with the help of camaras, a modern technological help to catch the culprits, they have a mind set to prove faulty whatever is even if, visually shown and seen by the world.
