Re: BCCI and Indian players are a bunch of hypocrits
by priya on Dec 30, 2010 12:11 PM
But if technology is also error pron, then y not belive human error?
Re: Re: BCCI and Indian players are a bunch of hypocrits
by priya on Dec 30, 2010 12:12 PM
In that case y ricky ponting was fighting with third umpires when it was ruled against them, it shows technology is not foolproof.
Re: BCCI and Indian players are a bunch of hypocrits
by Cool Mahesh on Dec 30, 2010 08:26 AM
Even a player like Sehwag has said that India should go for UDRS, but the BCCI shut him up.
The 2000's generation of cricket followers in India seem to be more affectionate towards the team. I always look at games especially involving south africa with police mindset. But this one looks genuiene unless India gets a bad bad defeat the next game or Zaheer is again injured all of sudden. Things will be dubious about this result.
Wasn't it great to see Graeme Smith's arrogant and sneering face rubbed in the dust? His attitude after the first Test was "oh so superior". He dismissed India as an unworthy opponent undeserving of the No1 rank. India should not sit on its laurels but try its best to win the 3rd Test. If it does it will shut Smith's superiority complex forever. India should employ Ojha in place of Ishant in the final Test as the pitch historically favours spin.It will also give it a better balance. Finally, what a gem VVS is for India. Yet the man never gets kudos he deserves from the media. If it had been a guy like Yuvraj the media would have been tripping over itself trying to get every little information out of him(cricket or otherwise) and splashing it as a headline! Glamorous and ego struck sportspeople seem to attract the media these days not simple,humble, decent,quietly efficient players who proudly serve their country without any fuss or expectation. People like Laxman,Tendulkar & Dravid are the real icons to be projected before the youth of the country not some brash, self serving sportspeople!
Re: India's victory
by vimalesh singh on Dec 30, 2010 07:59 AM
I think instead of Ojha Pravin Kumar could be better choice even if he is not on tour. India should summon him to replace Ishant Sharma immediately. There were teams in the past who summoned a particular player for a crunch situations. I remember when Sachin Tendulkar first toured Australia in 1992 Indian openers were struggling and then after two test India summoned Navajot Sidhu to make life easy for Indian team. I have the feeling that Ishant Sharma is very low on confidence and carrying a injury which he is hiding...thats why he is bowling a bit slow then he used to. We have seen that even Zaheer Khan who is not fit fully can make life difficult for SA batsman with his swing and movement even with 80 mph speed, coz the pitch has done the rest. We all know what Pravin Kumar can do with a new ball on green top. He is the best swing bowler available in India. We need a bowler who can move the ball and not a Fast bowler who can't move or swing the ball !! SA is going to give a good bouncy track in Cape town and not Green top wicket (which help Indian pacers to gain lateral movement)...so going with Ojha will not be a wise choice !!
Re: Re: India's victory
by Manoj Kumar on Dec 30, 2010 11:30 AM
The only problem with Laxman is that he does not have a personality unlike the other stars in Indian cricket
people of certain groups bashi and condemn or divert our attenton toward Sachin bashi do it for the same reason thy redicule or belittle BigB or Kishore kumar.
So while carring on our grand ishtail discussions, just keep your eyes open for those cunning jealous un-sportmen like bunch of people.
By the way, we all thank sme Pakistani greats also, who whole heartedly congratulated Sachin.
Re: Keep your eyes open for sachin bashers.
by Partho Chaterjee on Dec 30, 2010 05:10 AM
You mean our grand brave muslims of India? If so, then we know them and we have ignored them.
ALL CRITICISM FOR RIGHT REASONS ARE WELCOMED.
ALL OTHER CRITICISM FOR JEALOUS REASONS ARE IGNORED.
Ask a random passer by, what would you ideally want from Team India? A non fanatic might say World cup . A fanatic might say No1 Test status and world cup. A girl newbie fanatic might say T20 world cup.
And if you ask them why? Answer: It will make Indians proud. A non-fanatic might not even know for how many years we have a world cup.All they know is its a big cup and it will make us proud.
Why are these important anyways? We have a world cup champion for every 4 years. T20 chapmions for every 2 years. Constant doubts over our No1 status and might not hold onto it for more than 2 years.
20 years down the lane, whats so great about winning 2 world cups (1983,2011) out of 10 world cups so far and almost most of the countries will have the similar record.Whats so great about winning 2011 world cup? Indians are called champions from 2011-2015. And that too if we loose 5-2 to Aus or SA, we cant even call them champions for 4 years.
Re: Sachin
by super hero on Dec 30, 2010 04:58 AM
Notable achievements that come to my mind till now 1983 world cup, Titan cup,Hero cup, 96 SF,Sharjah cup, Natwest trophy, 2003 Finals,T20 World cup,CB Series,No1 Test status. Except for No1 status, most countries have similar achievements. But then we have 'SACHIN'.The best bastman ever(Only Bradman can contest). Most of his records will stay alive forever(If you are cricket fanatic, then u will know that most of them are impossible to break).A poll in australia twice this decade said Sachin is the current best player.Ponting was no-where near in those polls. Current and ex-crickets, commenattors, everyone alround the world praise him as the best. That makes me an Indian proud.He is like Dhyanchand of Cricket. He is like a Schumacher ,a Pele, a federer, a Tiger woods. 50 years from now, Indian cricket might become like our Hockey. Usa, Canada,Ireland,Afghanisthan might be top 4 teams.Your Grand children might not follow cricket, but they sure will be surprised and happy to hear that the best player, holder or most runs,centuries is an INDIAN. He is a phenomenon that happens once in a life time. I cherish a century from Sachin more than an Indian victory. This insight is just for Non-fanatics to weigh Team India achievments against Sachin's. Pakis with Indian names here and other morons with disgruntled lives who have to vent their frustration on someone, can keep trashin Sachin. Infact, its no fun without u guys.Sometimes ur comments make me laugh. Keep coming guys.
Re: Re: Sachin
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 08:13 AM
You are making a team game as an indiv game. By that token, no player will have passion to win a WC. You think 150 countries are mad to go after a Football WC once in 4 yrs????
So when it comes to 2nd innings performance Laxman is a minor shade better.
Now can we compare everything else? lol Like ODI performance, Tests 1st innings performance, fielding performance, running between the wickets performance? haha..
So for god sake dont even compare Sachin with Laxman, its a joke comparsion
Re: Best Indian 2nd Innings batsmen when India won
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 08:04 AM
for heaven's sake...stop this crap and savour India's great win y'day and praise VVS' gritty performance. Don't undermine it by your T20 and ODI comparison (If you wanna compare, Sachin has played only 1 T20I and scored 10. No real comparison. Laxman has been given a raw deal in ODIs - 6 100s most of them against tough opponents and in winning matches and yet not part of ODI team. In fact he scored 5 of them in one season and was dropped a few matches later).
Re: Best Indian 2nd Innings batsmen when India won
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 08:11 AM
I didn't know that 67 v 51 is a small diff. Nevetheless do not be carried away by stats....praise the worthy whenever they perform. Period. Just because you say Sachin is greater does not make VVS performance any inferior. Similarly, no one needs to bring down Sachin to prove VVS played well in this match. Let us enjoy each performance on its own merit rather than make it relative. MoM deservingly had to go to VVS, as next HS score was 39 n.o. and the 3rd HS again by him (38 in 1st inngs). Simply proves 20-21 batsmen struggled to score in 2 chances.
Zaheer gave excellent support to VVS and thats why VVS was able to steer India to safety. Same is the case with recent win vs Aus when Ishant gave excellent support to Laxman but got little credit for it.
Compare that to the scores of tailenders when Sachin needed one of them to dig in. Mind you Laxman also exposes tailenders to fierce bowlers, its unavoidable coz you cant take a single off the last ball of the over always. Its just that tail-enders somehow play real bad when Sachin needs them. As for this test, I think Sachin tried to play aggressive innings like Graeme Smith, thinking that the wicket anyways helping bowlers, so better make as many runs as quickly as possible, but that was probably a mistake.
In this test, The Man-of-Match should have been Zaheer Khan. He gave the crucial tailend support to Laxman & also got 6 wickets that too top batsmen/crucial moments
Re: Sachin Bashers get a life
by Free Free on Dec 30, 2010 04:31 AM
Spot on! but who ru trying to convince here brother? The quality of the posters on this forum is horribly uneducated about any cricketing knowledge. They just look at the scorecard & start yelling. I'm amazed that people are actually comparing sachin with vvs.. wat a joke! Where was laxman in first test?
Re: Sachin Bashers get a life
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 08:05 AM
That's because Laxman's presence is more inspirational than others' presence as far as tailenders are concered. He has proved it time and again with diff guys.
Re: Re: Re: Sachin Bashers get a life
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 11:07 AM
Where did he play long in Centurion? read my statement again...."as far as tailenders are concered".
Re: Re: Sachin Bashers get a life
by C M on Dec 30, 2010 09:02 AM
Sure VVS presence is inspirational and SRT presense is Blessing...And everyone is not blessed..
its shameful to speak against SRT, he has contributed indian cricket a lot and infact he has changed, there was so many matches he has won for us, I am not saying he is best or he is no.1, his contribution to indian cricket and overall cricket is so much that Laxman cannot acheive in his two lives (i'm not against Lax). I am just giving an example. the kind of contribution he has given in both One day and test. Forget about his 10k runs in 2010, in the first match only, Sachin was highest scorer (36 and 100 not out), now its whose fault that he has to chase 500 plus runs? Lax did the same (38, 96) he got out at 96, what if SA scored those required 300 runs.. in the first place why our bowlers let them score 550 runs? if that was not the case, sachn's century would have given us some lead...
Re: Its not good
by inder on Dec 30, 2010 05:21 AM
Here is the reason Laxman's knock stands out compared to Sachin's scores in the first test.
Laxman's scores are the highest in each innings for both sides. No one else reached even a half century.
Coming to the first test, Tendulkar's scores are not remarkable when we take both sides into consideration.
I agree that Sachin is a great batsman; much better than Laxman. But, you do have to accept that Laxman's knock in this test is head and shoulders above any one else.
Main reason Laxman gets this kind of praise is that people used to question his usefulness at the drop of a hat. He never got the recognition he deserved.
There is no need to belittle any one else. after all, this is a team sport.
Re: Re: Its not good
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 08:22 AM
I agree with Inder. In fact when India wanted to play 5 bowlers in Bangladesh, they dropped VVS! He has hardly played against Ban whereas most of the others have toured Banga in 2000, 2004, 2007 and 2010. I think Sachin has 5 100s against them.
Re: Re: Re: Its not good
by C M on Dec 30, 2010 08:59 AM
Its not that he opted out against BAN..He was in bad form so being dropped..And that difference between form and class...And even if u NOT count tons against Ban, SRT is still the king
Re: Re: Re: Re: Its not good
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 11:09 AM
Not at all...he was dropped to accomodate a bowler not a batsman. I never said he opted out.
Re: Its not good
by extreme on Dec 30, 2010 03:28 AM
dont u guys think that sachin played some crucial role in taking India to No.1. If not, then explain.. I am ready..
Re: Re: Its not good
by Free Free on Dec 30, 2010 04:34 AM
Who ru trying to convince brother? 99% posters on this forum have 0 cricketing brain & are totally unaware of any information. Only a fool would compare laxman with Sachin, its a joke. Its like comparing Srinath with McGrath.
Re: Re: Re: Its not good
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 08:25 AM
You are being very unfair to VVS. VVS has scored 2 K out of 7K runs vs Aus. He has played mindblowing knocks vs Warne and Mcgrath. His 281 is rated as one of the top 10 alltime best test inngs. If Sachin = Mcgrath, then VVS = Ambrose or Hadlee.
Re: Its not good
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 08:19 AM
Simple point....last match's pitch had eased out and scoring runs was easy. I won't blame Sachin alone for the defeat. The whole team could have batted better. When MS Dhoni can score 90 odd and get out to a very difficult delivery, Viru, Gauti & Rahul failed after getting good starts. Of course, we were not chasing 484 runs, that was the lead, so putting India in a winnin position from there was extremely difficult. This match, the pitch was very difficult throughout the 4 days, so whether SA would have chased down 300, the probability was very low. The value of 96 on such a pitch is far greater than a 111 in previous game.
Re: Re: Its not good
by C M on Dec 30, 2010 08:57 AM
Dont compare aples with oranges ...We love VVS but dont u dare trying to show down SRT..If VVS is only great or greater than SRT hopw coem Ind lost last test...?? Every century has great value...For a min had SRT out on 96 , u would have said yeah he plays for records so he got nervous in Ninties and got out...So try to learn to enjoy the victory and stop stupid comparasion and keep ur brainless value analysis to urself...
Re: Re: Re: Its not good
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 30, 2010 11:15 AM
Where did I say VVS is greater than Sachin. I have all along been saying it's a team game.One man cannot take blame for last match's defeat. Even VVS played a poor shot in 2nd inngs leave alone the promising starts (63, 80, 43) made by top3 not converted to a big score. BTW, CM I can use beautiful adjectives for your reaction..u have not even read and understood what I have written. I still say value of 96 in this match is greater than 111 in the previous one given the context of the game and the nature of the pitch.
v bangladesh at dhaka on 19-2-2011 v england at kolkatta on 27-2-2011 v ireland at bangalore on 6-3-2011 v. dutches at delhi on 9-3-2011 v. south africa at nagpur 12-3-2011 v. west indies at chennai 20-3-2011 final 2-4-2011 then IPL-4 so cricket like 3 shifts production of one factory in mumbai? so relax and enjoy south africa sex tourism?
