You are a great batsman , but certainly not as good as Gavaskar . One thing certainly I will always believe you are better commentator than Gavaskar when it comes to When Indians are palying . Gavaskar like Ravi Shastri is extremely biased as far as Mumbai players are concerned .Nothing against , it is a human folly , buit you are real great when you can over come this most common weakness.
Re: Marcus
by Charles miller on Jul 28, 2009 07:40 PM
trescothic has some mental problems , he saw ghosts in his last indias tour .He scoring heavily in domestic cricket but saying he will not return in intl cricket
Re: who is beeter chuker
by dudeman on Jul 28, 2009 07:01 PM
dont talk nonsense. murali was cleared of chucking charges long time ago when the controversy started in australia.
Re: Re: Re: who is beeter chuker
by dudeman on Jul 28, 2009 07:15 PM
so it shows that a single person was greater than the game. icc changes its rules as and when it wants to. dozens of new rules have been made since then. if that change in rule was shame, then the whole game of cricket must be a shame.
Re: Re: Re: Re: who is beeter chuker
by sathish kumar on Jul 29, 2009 09:34 AM
Yes, Cricket becomes Shame when player like Murali, Malinga and Fedel started playing International Cricket. Srilankan team has the policy when there is a question raised against to their player bowling action, they use trump card of Racism. Clearing the Doubt means - it should be like Bajji, even he was questioned by the Umpire, and he changed his action slightly and after that I have never ever heard that he is been reporting for suspected action.
Even Now when I look at Murali I will immediately say that he is a Chucker, though I have not played cricket at the highest level with the Experience in the Inter- College level Cricketer I am loudly say that he is a Chucker for 1000%.
Re: Re: Re: Re: who is beeter chuker
by Ridhdhish Amin on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 PM
Look - Murali got a pass because of a birth defect. What will they do if there is a fast bowler who can only really throw the ball because of a birth defect - change the rule again. Sorry to be blunt but if you have a birth defect than too bad - you dont get to bowl - as simple as that. May be he can play in the handicap cricket teams! I know a lot of you will think I am mean - but I am not - all sympathies to all the handicap people out there - but I wouldnt allow changing the rules of the game for one person! We are too naive - but it was not the "one man being greater than the game" - it was all politically and money driven. India was flexing their muscle when this happened and Sri Lanka was being "pally pally with India" for financial gains that would come their way. Also Murali was an important part for Sri Lanka to establish themselves as one of the top teams. Think about what they would be like without Murali. So it is all financial and politics - not Murali's greatness! Murali is not great - he got a blessing in disguise!
Re: Re: Re: who is beeter chuker
by rehman on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 PM
guys lets back up asian players. Asian players held more records than foreign players.remember?
Re: Re: Re: who is beeter chuker
by rehman on Jul 29, 2009 12:36 PM
guys lets respect asian players, coz they held more records than those foreign players. jai ho Asia!!
Re: hi
by C M on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 AM
Is Sachin a test OPENER...??? Nowadays its a fashion to drag Sachin in every thing...Isnt it...?? Sunny is Sunny, Sachin is Sachin both are Specials...
Re: hi
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:04 PM
Is Sachin a test player....??? Nowadays its a fashion to drag Sachin in every thing...Isnt it...?? Sunny is Sunny, Sachin is Sachin both are Specials...
Re: hi
by dudeman on Jul 28, 2009 07:03 PM
pietersan and sangakara are rated higher than both sachin and gavaskar in icc all-time greats. australia considers pietersen best batsman outside their own country.
Re: Re: hi
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:07 PM
Sangakara is a good talented batsman keeper...He is better than Dhoni in my opinion and yeah the comparison stops there....He can not be compared to Sunny at all... for many mnay reasons....And Aus is not a cricket standard at all...They prove themselves stupid at times..So who gives Sh*** wht they think ...Pietersan is all right...
Re: Re: Re: Re: hi
by sharath chandra on Jul 28, 2009 07:13 PM
Do u know Nitin...sachin`s percentage shots in the air is far more than sunny....this has been highlighted many legends. sachin is not a good batsman when it comes to playing late outswingers. honestly...i am a also a big fan of sachin....but certain facts r facts...
Re: hi
by Varun on Jul 29, 2009 08:00 AM
Sachin is way more talented that gavaskar, but don't have the same level of concentration and determniation as gavaskar.
Gavaskar had scored 13 centuries including 3 double hundreds against mighty West Indies. His batting average against West Indies was 65.45. Gavasker exploits against West Indies can be compared only what Sir Don Bradman has done as batsman. Gavaskar was best Batsman against fast bowling world has ever seen. He had scored runs against Marshall, Holding, Garner, Andy Roberts, Bob willis, Denis Lille, Thomson, Imran Khan, and Richard hadlee.
Re: Gavaskar was Great
by Forrest Gump on Jul 28, 2009 06:21 PM
When WI was at its peak in 1983....and the bowlers to face were Marshall, Garner, Holding and Roberts Gavaskar flopped big time....it was Mohinder and Vengsarkar who did better....check out 1983 5-test series in West Indies...while Tendulkar did greatly against MCgrath and co at their peak in 1999(though the rest of the team flopped), Gavaskar did well when WI was just becoming a great team, after they became one, he did not do too well against them...also india's 1986 test series win in england which was the only highlight of indian test team apart from 1971 win in england and west indies(which was not a great team at that time), it was vengsarkar, chetan sharma, maninder singh and kiran more who contributed....apart from kapil of course.
Re: Re: Gavaskar was Great
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:14 PM
Who says WI was at peak in 1983...?? It was Seventies...they were dominating force...In eighities they started loosing it....World has yet to produce anotehr opener who scored 774 runs in first series with 4 senturies against the sheer scary pace machines of the time then....Marshal was a so ordinary in the beginning later on after changing his tecnique he became better...And Mohinder..i have good respect for amarnath family..But still he was holding the record of comebacks till Vinod broke it..means those many times he was taken out of team isnt it..??? Chetan Sharma, Maninder more....just page of history after 15 years more...Sunny is Sunny ...
Re: Re: Re: Gavaskar was Great
by msgblogger on Jul 29, 2009 01:34 AM
You got it wrong buddy.Am a big fan of Sunny myself.WI was in peak during 76-86 era.In his first series he didnt have that fearsome attack.Roberts came in 74,holding followed and the rest others in 79 after packer ban.
Re: Re: Gavaskar was Great
by bebo dash on Jul 28, 2009 06:29 PM
u must state about opening batsmen.Was there any other than Mr. Gavaskar out of what u refered?
Re: Re: Re: Gavaskar was Great
by sharath chandra on Jul 28, 2009 06:59 PM
c`n Forrest....in front of dicky bird...ur openion is just like gutter waste
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gavaskar was Great
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 PM
Mr gump- same gavaskar scored 94 balls century against WI in 1983 when bowlers were Marshal, holding etc. No present indian batsman will able to face that WI pace battey.
A teenager makes a debut (in '71) in West Indies and scores 774 runs in 4 tests, and faces them (and other world teams)in the coming years when the West Indies were at their BEST in world cricket, and scores centuries without a helmet!. Facing the fastet bowlers of that time in alien grounds, he spoke out for Indians against racism in world cricket in an era without 24 Hrs media coverage when foreign players were getting away with making abuses at Indians. He also stoodup and fought for players' rights and got them. That's Sunil Gavaskar for you.
Boycott --> While batting, he ran his friend out in an innings just because he did not get out and give him (Boycott) a chance to play in the 1st innings.
Re: Towering Inferno
by Bhasmasur Rakshasa on Jul 28, 2009 05:59 PM
Gava deliberately dropped Kapil in the 1984 test at Eden Gardens...Gava was not above petty politics, though he was a great batsman!!
Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 PM
Kapil was not very good in English (Still not)...Sunny is/was fluent...Somehow Kapil had suspcious midn that Sunny talks abt him etc...So he used to creat trouble...Sunny is always straightforward guy. But after a while he got irritated by Kapils behavious.So Sunny had to protest..Borad had to take action simple as that...It was not politics It was decipline if u notice...
Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by Forrest Gump on Jul 28, 2009 06:11 PM
well said Bhasma...Gavaskar though a good batsman during his times(test cricket) was a disgusting politician within the team...he introduced lot of mediocre team members from mumbai like ravi shastri, suru nayak, ghulam parkar etc when he was captain...good to see u think as an indian...also i am not mentioning gavaskar's flop series in WI when WI was at its peak....in 1983 when he averaged a mere 20 plus in the 5 test series and that too due to a 147 not out knock made in a tame rain affected draw..in that very series mohinder and vengsarkar proved much better than gavaskar at handling raw pace and bounce of the WI quartet....
Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 PM
Mohinder has couple of series to be remmebered one is that WI and otehr was in PAk...otehr than that nothing..Sunny had many mnay series onecan rememebr But if u chhose to rtemember only one ...Its upto you..All captians try to promote their home team simply becoz they had more interaction so confidence in them. SO BCCI has started state quota system in mid eighties. Kapil tried to promote Chetan sharma, Vijay Yadav, Gurushran Sing,Ashok Malhotra etc etc..SO there is list like this in front of everyone Why blame Sunny..?? Ravi Shastri later become Indian teams captain...Ghulam Parkar was good for local but Suru needed and got deserved a chance..unfortunately he couldt do materialise on it...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Jul 29, 2009 06:21 AM
Mohinder was a great player. His problem was that he was an Amarnath. His father caused a lot of trouble to a lot of people. These people became selectors when Mohinder was playing.They could not do anything to the father; so they took their revenge on the son, otherwise Mohinder would have played more for India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by Forrest Gump on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 AM
Forgot Mohinder's performance in 1983 WC final???? Sunny would have to take saath janams to do the same....in the 1983 series in WI, the WI quartet of Marshall, Garner, Holding and Roberts were at their most menacing best and Mohinder succeeded there because he could handle the barrage of bouncers well as he dispatched them thru hooks to the boundary...Gavaskar could not face the short ball well in that series....Vengsarkar though not a great player of short ball played his heart out...thats why he is called Colonel...in the return series vs WI in India, Mohinder had a very bad patch and his short ball approach had been sorted out by the WI fast bowlers so he flopped in the series while Gavaskar conveniently made use of the placid Indian wickets where fast bowlers were reduced to medium pacers (even if they were from West Indies) and made 236 not out (that too in 2nd innings of a dead match as usual)...Mohinder was given very raw deal by the selectors thats why he termed them jokers...which is so true to this day....if he had got the long run like Gavasakar he too could have achieved greater heights...talking of regionalism yes Kapil was no saint as he promoted lot of North Indians like Gopal Sharma, Chetan Sharma, Rajinder Singh Goel etc into the team but he was at least not a disgusting politician like Gavaskar who played politics against all captains he played under like Bedi, Venkat etc....and when Kapil became icon after 1983 world cup Gavaskar couldn't take it any more
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by Forrest Gump on Jul 29, 2009 12:38 AM
contd....
and decided to play the worst political game of his career..that of dropping Kapil Dev the WC winning icon from the test side just one year after the latter had won India the world cup...can u beleive this disgusting game that Sunny played? He was the same guy who asked the team to walk out of a match when he was given out LBW in Aus...contrast this to Sachin who has got countless decisions against him in Aus but never even winced his eyebrow one bit...that is difference in class of a person....Sachin had ample space to get all his MUmbai mates into the team but he in fact was the one who dropped a dreadfullyout of form Kambli who was incidentally his best friend...he never promoted regionalism neither did Azhar....of course they are part of newer generation that beleived in concept of India but the whole point is that of Gavasakar's disgusting machinations against quiet a few of his contemporaries be it Bedi, VEnkat, Kapil, Chandra etc.
Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by sharath chandra on Jul 28, 2009 07:01 PM
Forrest comments are like...bradman scored zero in his last innings...so bradman is not a great batsman....Mr.Gump u r a gutter waste
Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by Darius on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM
DO YOU REMEMBER IN THE NEXT SERIES MOHINDER AMARNATH SCORED JUST 1 , YES ONLY ONE RUN IN SIX TEST INNINGS AGAINST THE WI, THATS FIVE ZEROES IN ONE SERIES.
Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by Bhasmasur Rakshasa on Jul 28, 2009 07:03 PM
Fantastic memory maan...... Gava's sccores in that series, barring that useless 147 no. at Georgetown, were all in the 10s and 20s...he had a horrible series!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:27 PM
Show me any batsman in the world never had a bad series...The BEst series innings have to be rememberd...if one is positive...remembering a flop one is just waste of memory cells speciall when the same sportsman has many many wonderful, unforgetable innings, series ..Of course its a civilized thought u guys might disagree...Good luck
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by Forrest Gump on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 AM
gavaskar did not do well even in 1981-82 series in England....he has averaged just 42 in last 4 years of his career.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Towering Inferno
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 PM
This gump must be a fan of dhobi who is doing anly politics in present team. his comments shows his true knowledge of cricket.
Re: hi
by Forrest Gump on Jul 28, 2009 05:50 PM
He may or may not have....these are his views...many cricketing experts and umpires(like Bird) may disagree to this...each sportsman thinks he is best at a particular thing..it is called self respect...ultimately the fans decide who is better and if the achievements are as high as someone like Tendulkar(for example no comparison of Boycott vs Tendulkar as the latter has eclipsed him in almost all categories of batting and formats of the game) then the fans haev an easy job to decide who is the better of the two sportsmen....
Re: Re: Re: hi
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Jul 29, 2009 06:28 AM
Windies were still a very good fast bowling unit until the early 90's,so throughout his career, except his 1st series, Gavaskar faced a formidable Windies attack
Re: Re: Re: hi
by Forrest Gump on Jul 28, 2009 06:12 PM
please refer to 1983 series against WI...Mohinder and Vengsarkar were the only Indian batsmen to do well...while Gava averaged mere 20 plus....read my above message for details on that series in WI played when WI was at its peak...and bowlers to face were marshall,holding,roberts and clarke...
Re: Re: Re: Re: hi
by Forrest Gump on Jul 28, 2009 06:15 PM
i am not putting gavaskar down...but his "great" performance against the WI is a myth indeed...he did well in 1976-77 series in WI when the pace bowling was not yet peaked to the famous quartet..when the famous quartet of marshall, roberts, holding and garner bowled, vengsarkar and mohinder proved better than gavaskar...gavaskar was a good test batsman...but in now way did he really accomplish that much to win test matches for india except his debut series in 1971....even in 1986 india's famous abroad victory in england it was kapil, vengsarkar etc who were the chief architects...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hi
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 PM
Gavaskar was the only player in history if Indian cricket who retired with grace- 1)Left captaincy after winning besen & hedges W cup 1985 in Australia (where all top 7 nations participated- this win was much more imp than last yr T20 wcup triumph) 2)Retired from test cricket- After playing classical knock of 96 runs on turning wicket at Banglore when all other players failed. 3)Retired from first class cricket after scoring 185 runs at lords against world eleven. 4)Retired from One day cricket after reliance cup 1987- he scored hundred against NZL in his 2nd last inning of one day career. Though I agree he was not an ODI player. Become man of the series in rothmans cup 1985 which indian won just because of classic catches at slip. First player who brought some glory to Indian cricket at international level.First smart player who started writing good article in newspaper & become comentator.He is the grace of indian cricket. Even great kapil & player like dada were just dragging in team in last phase of their career as form was not with them. gavaskar also scored fastest indian hundred in tests in 94 balls against like of marshal, Holding etc. Mr gump u keep ur mouth shut & not keep reapeting wrong stats to mislead people. Anyone who understand cricket will not listen to U. If u talk of politics only player comees in mind are dada & dhobi.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hi
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 PM
I was referring otehr series of course 1979 while talking abt Sunny's briliant 221 knock. Mere 1986 wont be sufficient to prove Sunny was what Forest think ...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hi
by C M on Jul 28, 2009 11:34 PM
So got so many thinsg wrong in ur analysis...First of all good to know that u think u r not trying to put Sunny down(becoz all readers know wht u r trying here), dont even try it becoz the more u try u will put urself down..simple as that. Second WI was not in peak in eighties. They were at peak in Seventies..and only one man defied them then and thats SUNNY...ppl in WI started naming their newborns as SUNIL...and if u htink just abt 1986 , tell me how mnay runs Kapil scred when Ind wa inches away from a great victory in Eng ..just short of 9 runs...and Sunny made 221 more than half for the required...??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hi
by Forrest Gump on Jul 29, 2009 12:46 AM
CM u don't know a thing...if someone is giving u gyan take it....West Indies were at their best in the period between 1978 to 1985....this was like Aus's peak period between 1999 and 2007...they had the best 4 fast bowlers in that time...destroyed every other team they faced home and away during this time...check out their scorecards during this period...their only one glitch was losing 1983 final to India....in early and mid 70s they had some good fast bowlers but not 4 menacing ones coming at u at all the times like in the late 70s and early to mid 80s...their downslide started with Lloyd's resignation as captain and Richards' induction as captain towards the late 80s...also holding and roberts had retired and marshall had declined during this time....and ambrose and walsh had just come into the side...west indies were a decent test side till the late 90s...only after walsh and abrose resigned did they really decline in tests...i agree in onedayers their decline had started from 1987 onwards....
if indians had stopped fighting and putting each other down, india would have become a developed country by now....sad thing is even the so-called educated people are resorting to racial, regional, casteist mud slinging....the topic was about boycott claiming he had better technique than Gavaskar...if we stick to the topic at hand and debating the cricketing pros and cons of it without resorting to personal abuse at any of the sportsmen involved , this forum can be a much better place...until then alvida.
Re: this forum proves why indians are still developing country...
by Paltan on Jul 28, 2009 08:41 PM
I know.. Kabir Bedi is always like that! Nothing much can be done at this point..
