Ex new zealand capt said amd he is backed by a lot of others 'Dony under estimate the Aussies ,they gonna come back for sure and harder than ever.".So guys before u start popping champagne just hope the Aissies dont come back knocking rteams down like nine pins.
Australia have been the dominant force for so many years becuase of two guys, Warne and Mcgrath. One has retired by now and Mcgrath is so exhausted by his ashes exploits that he would do well to ask Ponting to not consider him during World cup matches. It is clear that he is stretching himself too much. One more thing, when Australia are down, they can bounce back only if other teams allow them too. If you keep a tight leash on an Australian team that is down, they tend to go downhill pretty fast. Also, in one day matches it is not always that you get wickets that are conducive to bowling. You may get flat decks where the fielding team has to make something happen; either an inspired bowling change or an innovative field placement or variety in bowling. Innovation in field placement, stifling the batsmen requires a bit of grey cell capacity and street smartness. That the australians lack in the upstairs is obvious to all, absolute brainless people. That lack of grey cell capacity is obvious when you see that they are not able to defend 350 plus and even a 435 total. About their rough language on the field, well it can be traced to their ancestry, British Jailbirds were sent down under for commiting the foulest of crimes. Trace the ancestry of Ponting or Gilchrist or Hayden and you will come across the criminal offenders of the 18th century. About australian 'toughness', the less said the better. Under pressure they are terrible, that is why they have the worst record in test matches of chasing small totals. When they could not chase down 107 at Wankhede, they started whining like puny losers, so all talk of Australian toughness is empty bluster. Which other team in the world has lost a test match twice when asking the opposition to follow-on? First at Headingley in 81 and then 2001 Calcutta. A generation of West Indies fast bowlers hounded them, one mr Ian botham did it twice and now Mr flintof will do it comprehensively in 2009 Ashes. Toughness? forget it!! NZ have proved that only are the aussies not invincible as many people in this forum believe, but they also crack under pressure and play badly. Not even once have they hit the stumps to get a runout in tense finishes in chappell Hadlee trophy. India, SA and WI will take the aussies by the scruff of the neck and show them their place. That the winner of this WC WILL NOT BE AUSTRALIA.
RE:The era of Australian hegemony is over
by Sameer Joshi on Feb 21, 2007 10:18 AM
The sign of greatness, it is said is being subjected to absolute ridicule. When opponent fails to fight you on main battlefield, they choose to ridicule you and divert attention to off field... Reference to criminal ancestry etc smack of the same. Which convinces me that Australian team is one of the best. We won't have to wait for long to see when the mainstay players are back in action in world cup...!!!
RE:RE:The era of Australian hegemony is over
by Sandeep M on Feb 21, 2007 09:00 PM
Chasing 205 against England at Sydney 1978 - Bowled out for 111 Chasing 143 against India at Melbourne 81 - Bowled out for 83 Chasing 130 against England at Headingley 81 - Bowled out for 111 Chasing 151 against England at Edgbaston - Bowled out for 121 Chasing 184 against WI at Adelaide 92 - Bowled out for 182 chasing 117 against SA at sydney 94 - bowled out for 111 Chasing 124 against England at Oval 97 - Bowled out for 104 Chasing 175 against England at Melbourne 99 - Bowled out for 162 Chasing 107 against India at Wankhede 2004 - Bowled out for 93
Which other team in the world has such a dubious record? Here it is not a question of talent, that is undoubtedly there. Here it is a question of not handling pressure well; that when the going gets tough, the Aussies are not that tough. Australian cricket faced its biggest eye-opener in 1984 with the simultaneous retirement of Chappell, Lillee, Marsh and Jeff thomson and for the next few years Aussie cricket was not the same. Something similar will happen with the retirement of Warne, McGrath and Langer. There will be a shakeup in world order and NZ have just proved that the foundation is shaking. For the next three to four years, cricket will not be the hegemony of the aussies and the WC will definitely not be theirs.
RE:RE:RE:The era of Australian hegemony is over
by ashish on Feb 28, 2007 02:19 AM
after all ur stats they still have the highest win rate and they the no 1 team ,may be there is sumthin wrong with ur head
RE:The era of Australian hegemony is over
by Swamidoss Rosario on Feb 21, 2007 02:08 AM
This message is good.You have in you the makings of a critic.Keep practising all the best
RE:RE:The era of Australian hegemony is over
by Karthik Ram Ramakrishnan on Feb 21, 2007 09:49 AM
IMHO, Mr. Sandeep needs more than practise to become a critic. For starters he is too one-sided and critics need to be a little more objective, I think.
RE:RE:The era of Australian hegemony is over
by fasi on Feb 21, 2007 11:10 AM
arre itna bada kyun likte yaar hamako padna hath nai hota tumhe likhna kaise hota yaar?
To win you need hunger in your belly. I live in NZ and have seen that hunger in the Kiwis. They don't get paid as much as the Indians nor do any one of them command a celebrity status here like our players. There pride lies not in Individual glory but the glory of the nation.
I don't mean to be critical of the Indian players cause I know they are talented but more than the Advertising dollar if they are hungry to win matches they will win...
what needs to be seen is whether they sacrifice their individual pride for the pride of the nation.
RE:The Indian Dream
by debajyoti Kalita on Feb 20, 2007 10:00 PM
I have watched the last two matches on TV and let us not forget the fact that Newzealand grounds are smaller and it is easy to chase down 300 score.Probably today's score is equivalent to 275 in SCG,MCG or our own Eden Garden.Also 5 key Australian players were missing.I am not taknig the credit from NZ but it is lot easier to beat Aus minus Ponting,Gilchrist,Bret Lee,Symonds and Michael Clarke
RE:The Indian Dream
by santosh singh on Feb 20, 2007 06:59 PM
who give celebrity status to indian players. indian public give them and so public are to be blamed not players. indian players need to be selfish bcoz indian public demand personal performance. if any indian player fails in few matches then public and media start criticising him heavly. so indian player need to be selfish. so finally there is one who shud be blamed and that is - indian public and their mindset.
RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by Ian Chappell on Feb 20, 2007 10:32 PM
Absolutely mate santosh..Celibrity status has been distroying Indian cricket for decades but my dear brother Greg has now put them on track by showing way to GANGULY...
RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by YOGENDRA MISHRA on Feb 20, 2007 07:09 PM
I think public should not be blamed...Media is more responsible for it because they unnecessarily start making comments for anybody .... otherwise when we won the world cup in 1983 the same public was there to celebrate.
RE:The Indian Dream
by on Feb 20, 2007 06:20 PM
NZ are not better performers than India just check their ranking status. India has won more matches against Australia. NZ are not consistent like India.
RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by alok trivedi on Feb 20, 2007 06:30 PM
i agree but every single is different and every match is different.its ur days performance that counts and taking the upcoming world cup,india need to think abt it.
RE:RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by MOHAN SANKARAGALLU on Feb 20, 2007 06:52 PM
Indians are self centered. Whether Sehwag scores 0,1,2...any number of times dravid wants him in the same. The excuse he gives is if he can't bat then he can bowl. Point is nobody is sure why Sehwag is there in the team. As if In India you can not find better spinners than Mr Sehwag. Thing is nobody wants to say openly but there is a nexus between some of the players and they are to be protected at any cost. Why bother If India gets defeated even by Kenya/Canada. You can always come up with the Dravidian excuse " Our bowlers/batsmen let us down. It was not our day". In cricket India's day comes very rarely. Probably Mr Dravid's memeory may be short.
RE:The Indian Dream
by YOGENDRA MISHRA on Feb 20, 2007 09:06 PM
Don't Popping up... no doubt it is a best performance by kiwis but Kangarus will take definately an unexpected jump in World cup...Pointing, Gilcrist and Symonds all watching carefully from outside don't forget what happend with our Dada....
RE:The Indian Dream
by debajyoti Kalita on Feb 20, 2007 09:59 PM
I have watched the last two matches on TV and let us not forget the fact that Newzealand grounds are smaller and it is easy to chase down 300 score.Probably today's score is equivalent to 275 in SCG,MCG or our own Eden Garden.Also 5 key Australian players were missing.I am not taknig the credit from NZ but it is lot easier to beat Aus minus Ponting,Gilchrist,Bret Lee,Symonds and Michael Clarke
RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by Govind Raj on Feb 20, 2007 11:17 PM
NZ too missed Bond and Oram. Don't forget it. NZ as of now are the form team. But their chances at the WC-07 will be diminished by the slow pitches and the absence of a genuine spinner. But their ability to score singles [I think this is the team that scores more singles than any other team] will stand them good in low scoring matches. But as of now they start the WC-07 with a lot of confidence and are far superior all-round team compared to India. But only advantage India have is that they are the only team to have played significant Cricket in recent times in the Caribbean. So if they use this to their advantage, it is good for them. But on current form, India will struggle against those teams with good slow bowlers like Murali, Sanath, Samuels, Gayle, Afridi and Panesar. This will be the WC of the trundlers.
RE:The Indian Dream
by Krishna Moorthy on Feb 20, 2007 10:19 PM
If Sehwag walks like the way he did in the last match to get out, India is not going to reach anywhere.
RE:The Indian Dream
by somnath kar on Feb 20, 2007 10:36 PM
Arnab is only referring his stay in NZ.... MR. Deka.... lots of Indians stay out of their country... no big deal... ur english says u r somewhere in India only... ha ha ha
RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by dilip mathew on Feb 21, 2007 05:49 AM
Arnab is referring to the spirit of the Kiwis and not about his stay in NZ. Probably it is you who need to go thorugh some English courses as you could not understand what he said and what he meant.
RE:RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by YOGENDRA MISHRA on Feb 21, 2007 02:57 AM
Every body was thinking that Dada will never come back..specially the More's supporter....every body must know lion not roaring means..just he is taking rest..don't try to disturb ....
RE:The Indian Dream
by debajyoti Kalita on Feb 20, 2007 07:26 PM
I have watched the last two matches on TV and let us not forget the fact that Newzealand grounds are smaller and it is easy to chase down 300 score.Probably today's score is equivalent to 275 in SCG,MCG or our own Eden Garden.Also 5 key Australian players were missing.I am not taknig the credit from NZ but it is lot easier to beat Aus minus Ponting,Gilchrist,Bret Lee,Symonds and Michael Clarke
RE:The Indian Dream
by abhijit gargate on Feb 20, 2007 06:30 PM
NZ - congratulations . They are fighting team and now they are in form. But , australia will be now more dangerous and eager to show that they are best. and they will. Another , Hayden, hussey are also in form and when main palyers will return all of them will definately pLAy solid no doubt. So australia will be tough . NZ/ SA/ Engalnd - Are in form . India - Dont forget , we have win two back to back series against SL/WI . and this is main positive . After return of Dada, sachin /Yuraj back in form and dhoni/ dravid - well set , Zaheer/Ajit back in action ( what a solid team on paper) will really can beat Eng/NZ/SA . And with australia it will be tough .But still Yes we will win the cup.( and not we can win the cup )
RE:The Indian Dream
by S Anand on Feb 20, 2007 07:34 PM
I dont know what you mean when you say NZ is not as consistent as India in beating Australia. India has beaten Australia twice in the last 20 matches between the two teams while NZ has beaten Aussies three times in a row. If anyone is talking about second string Australian team, Australia, India and NZ played a tri series in India without MC Grath, Brett Lee, Gillespei and Shane Warne and thrahsed India in that series. Even that famous test series in 2003 in which India drew 1-1 did not featue Mc Grath and Shane Warne. When they both played in the test series between the two teams in 2004, Australia thrashed India by 100 runs in Bangalore and by 342 runs in Nagpur to win the series. We Indians are like cats, we close our eyes and assume that the world is asleep. Fact is NZ is a far superios team to India with much more commitment to the game and hunger to win. Indian cricketers are less cricketers and more advertising models. If Sehwag had been in NZ team he would have been no one's pet child to stay despite non performing
RE:RE:The Indian Dream
by Sandeep M on Feb 21, 2007 01:10 PM
in the 2003 series in Aus, Zaheer and Harbhajan were missing from our side too! In the 2004 series, rain spoilt what was a certain victory for India at Chennai and we won at Wankhede, 2 all draw would have a been a fair result. In 2001, afull strength Australian team was brought to its knees by India. And do not be jealous of Indian cricketers making money through advertising and sponsorship. If you get an opportunity to mint money, would you miss it? Don't have different rules for self and others. Plain truth is that many idiots in this forum are plain spiteful of Indian cricketers who are very successful in whatever they do! And you talk of patriotism? And NZ is a good team but not better than India.
A great run feast..Hats off to NZealand for such a splendid performance.Aussies ull r still the best.bcoz ur Attitude towards cricket stands out..NZ is catching up..Team India learn something please..ull havent conquered the world with a series victory..keep winning with the right attitude..All the best!!
If Australia had not lost to England and then to New Zealand, what would have been your odds to place a bet on Australia winning World cup - very low. Put a Dollar make a Dollar and 10 cents but now the odds will be higher, more money to be made.
If West Indies didn't make it to the final of ICC champions trophy, who would go to watch the world cup in Indiies, the West Indians certainly wouldn't go to fill the stadiums in Barbados and other places. RIGHT!
So don't let the losses by Australia fool you. It's all carefully crafted.
RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by Ian Chappell on Feb 21, 2007 02:27 AM
Dear mate Bigfoot(u must have big brain also) ..!
I have gon through many messeges here.. I am only talking about those guys messeges who starts jumpin considering Aussies downfall and daydreaming about world cup considering others performance...
Mates yes I agree that Aussies downfall is a good signs for India..but if u see the other picture with being stay nutral u will see the truth...
The picture now for India is they have to now cope up with THREE exilent teams..
1. Proud Southafricans
2. Wonded Aussies
3. Sky high confident Kiwis
So India now has to make not only solid strategy for Aussies & SA but also against BLAZING KIWIS also..!!
RE:RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by MOHAN SANKARAGALLU on Feb 20, 2007 09:43 PM
Mr Chappel, You have very high hopes of this Indian team. Let me tell you, I have seen lot of Indian teams and probably this is one of the worst. True you have Sachin,Dravid etc but they are all past their prime.Yes, they have been scoring a 50 here and a 60 there. But in between the 50 and 60 there will be at least 10 single digit scores. Cricket is about confidence. This Indian team does not have it, despite your brother being the coach of the team.(you can only take a horse to a pond. you can not make it drink water). You are talking of India coping with Australia,NZ,SA. Let them first get past other teams like Pakistan,Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. If you remember in the recent series against Srilanka India lost the 2nd one day match from a position where they should not have lost. Any other cricket team of the world would have won that match hands down,comfortably. But no sir not India they had to lose the match. Why think of stars when you know how difficult it is even to reach the moon.Honestly I am not a pessimist. But this is the ground reality. Unless there is professionalism in the team selection these things are bound to happen
RE:RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by Rahul Jain on Feb 20, 2007 07:05 PM
The point is, that the Aussie bowling attack is no great shakes anymore. That's the only reason why they are losing.
Everyone is harping about the fact that the Aussies are missing their best players but the missing players are principally batsmen. And even despite missing their so called 'stars', they still manage to score 300 odd and every aussie supporter can manage to moan about it.
Talking of the bowling attack, only Brett Lee is missing (and his economy rate isn't too good anyway). Cricket is a game where you bowl the ball, you hit the ball and you catch/field the ball. The Aussies don't seem to be bowling that well.
How else can you explain that the four highest run chases have been recorded against the Aussies in the past two years? Their bowling isn't what is used to be in the past. One couldn't expect an Aussie bowler to bowl a knee high full toss on leg stump (not to mention gift wrapping it with big 6 mentioned on the package). Just don't work guys.
RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by Govind Raj on Feb 20, 2007 11:21 PM
Bigfoot or Big mouth, there is no craft or witchcraft here. Just some astonishing cricket by a very good allround ODI team. A depleted Aussie team has been soundly thrashed by a near full strength NZ. But Aussies have now a dubious record. Hayden now hold the record for the Highest Individual Score in a ODI for a losing Team.
RE:RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by raj arora on Feb 21, 2007 11:39 AM
You are dam jealous of the aussies Govind from all ur posts it can be seen.
RE:RE:RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by Govind Raj on Feb 22, 2007 11:41 PM
I am NOT jelous of Aussies. Jelousy exists where competetion exists. I am not one to compete with them. But my posts have TRUTH, the whole Truth and NOTHING but TRUTH. Dear Raj, Please read all my Posts. I have also written WHY Aussies were so good for so long. There is no doubt about the fact that: They WERE by far THE GREATEST EVER Team. But lots of Non-Cricket Matters are involved in their accent to the Top. I have already written the Cricketing matters that took them to the Pinnacle. But so slimy these Aussies and the English who supported them have been all these years. You can't even imagine Raj. I believe you must be just about 25 at best. But I have seen and witnessed lot more Cricket. Here I'll add one more DUBIOUS trick the Aussies played in the past to counter the accent of Subcontinental Teams. In the early and Mid-80s, Abdul Quadir of Pakistan and L. Siva of India were going great guns. Quadir especially was unplayable for the laden footed Aussies and English. New Zealand and West Indies supported them. That was the time the ICC brought the LEG Stump Rule. They made the Blind Spot of the Batsman an issue and brought the new rule that stated: The Batsman can't be given out LBW to a Ball that pitched out side the Leg Stump. This was not about LBW per say, but was to counter the huge spin the subcontinental spinners were getting after pitching out side the leg stump. With this new rule all the Leg Spin Bunnies could pad away the leg spinners. This was extremely fair for them. Well that was only till the emergence of one Magician Called Shane Warne. Well in 1999 - 2000, the Aussies wanted the Leg Stump rule scrapped sighting the reason: Too many batters were playing Negative Cricket! The moment they had a genuine Leg Spinner, they wanted the rule to be scrapped. But England, New Zealand and West Indies did not support the Aussies this time. No prizes for guessing the reason! This is just one of the million instances of manipulation of the Rules and Rule Books by the Aussies to their advantage. I never intend to discredit the Teams lead by Border, Taylor, Waugh and Ponting for all their achievements. In fact Raj, if I have to pick my all time favorite Cricket Players, the list is: Vivian Richards, Shane Warne, Adam Gilchrist, Wasim Akram and Rahul Dravid. Now I hope you have understood my point.
RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by Sandeep M on Feb 20, 2007 06:21 PM
So effectively you are saying that umpires will give all marginal decisions in the favor of WI in all their matches so that they can reach the semifinal? Agree with you!! India would do well to assume that they would lose to WI in super 8 and concentrate on othewr teams, maybe you should be part of team think tank Impressive thinking and i really mean it!!
RE:Don't be fooled; it's all betting
by Rahul Jain on Feb 20, 2007 07:08 PM
You mean to say all these matches are 'fixed'. You are fit to join the Nagpur Police immediately.
mind you guys, aussies are playing without ponting, gilchrist, michael clarke, brett lee and andrew symonds and for this match they rested mcgrath too. these 6 players back in the team means a whole world of difference for any cricket team in the world. if anybody beats that team, then they truly deserve to be world champions
Australia will be back in form soon, becoz Form is temperory and Class is permanent. Same thing with Sehwag. We all should back the Indian Team, They are the top 15 players who got selected in our Country. And without playing its easy to comment on players. So every one of us should say....Commooonnnn Indiaaaaaaaa...
When will the Aussies take defeat sportingly, here you have been comprehensively outplayed and you whine that you never wanted to tour in the first place.
