ganguly%u2019s success is b%u2019cuz of contributions of dravid, sachin, laxman kumble and sehwag not b;cuz of his leadership quality or aggression. In WC2003, it was sachin who played match winning innings against Pakistan match and took team to semis. Ppl forgot the sachin contributions only remember as ganguly took the team b%u2019cuz he was captain. But really it was sachin who was highest run getter
Team did not win all matches when ganguly captain was leading full of inspiration, aggression and team spirit blab la%u2026, team had humiliated defeat against kiwis, aussies Pakistan and SA . Teamn won odis and tests under dravid w ithout tendulakr and ganguly and as a captain dravid odi average is better than as batsman Team won 17 out of 22 odis under dravid%u2019s captaincy before loosing 14 matches lately. Statistics prove dravid is doing eauqlly good job in 16 months when compared to ganguly%u2019s 5 yrs success. Ganguly's ODI record as a captain: 147 matches, 76 wins, 66 losses
Dravid's record: 60 matches, 30 wins, 26 losses. Gnaguly made 62 and had good come back and scored runs to make sure he got ticket for WC But where is commitment for team cause ?? In SA it was Sreesant , KKD, Irfan won Moms. Ganguly was not there when team needed. When Ganguly was the captain Dravid has won many matches for India. never used to throw his wicket away as ganguly did yesterday or in SA Many times Dravid hitting the winning run & take responsibility on his shoulders. ganguly made lot of wrong decisions and he was not there when team was in trouble trouble after first 2 mtaches in WC 2003, this guy was slipping in the bed. Dravid and Sachin came forward to make public statement. Ganguly made tons of wrong decisions and never really won any cup or series for us. He was only lucky that Dravid, Sehwag, Yuvraj were in form when he was captain. When players loose their form, nobody can do anything. Dravid faced this problem recently and has lost many matches.
And ganguly as captain had godfather called dlamiay with bcci remote control and for dravid u already mentioned about sachin but u did not tell as single word how ganguly is tring to regain captaincy with his politician%u2019s friends. Each time team lost a match u criticse dravid. But give credit to your hero when it won match in SA/ WI. I remember not a single word u wrote aobut dravid%u2019s captaincy. Dravid has been put under unnecessary pressure since some people would like to create an impression that he is not a good captian . The big difference Ganguly always been in media while dravid did not get media publicity whatever amount he deserved also.
RE:Statistics prove dravid did equally good job in 16 montsh compared to ganguly'f 5 yrs captaincy.
by Keshav on Feb 13, 2007 11:07 PM
Well Said.. Ganguly never won a bilater series in his entire tenure as captain. Most of Ganguly's victories came against lowly rated zimbo, bangla and windies team which went on strike at that time. Just take away the wins against bangla, kenya and zimbo. you will see a different picture of Ganguly's captaincy.
RE:RE:Statistics prove dravid did equally good job in 16 montsh compared to ganguly'f 5 yrs captaincy.
by Harinder Toor on Feb 13, 2007 11:23 PM
we are not comparing captains at the moment! please spare ur time and thoughts for a later time, its time for the WC and analysis of the WC
RE:Statistics prove dravid did equally good job in 16 montsh compared to ganguly'f 5 yrs captaincy.
by raj nair on Feb 13, 2007 11:03 PM
What a statement..ganguly has not won many cups....i really wonder what kin of a cricket follower are u(if u really are)!!!..Anyways,it better we support this team for the worldcup..rather than fight for captaincy...!!
So here are my views about the 15 man team India picked for the 07 WC : 1 Rahul Dravid (capt) - Good could be better though. His form and batting seems to worry me off lately. I have noticed he tends to play (drive) away from the body to the deliveries that are pitched up and a slight error can result in his furniture being disturbed (for an example watch his dismissal in the 2nd odi against lanka). he is capable of a lot more than what we have seen of him in the last 2 months or so. I am not going to expect a single 100 run from him in the WC. And his ego can hurt the indian team. I think saching shud of batted at #3 in the game against SL considering his form. 2 Sourav Ganguly - good comeback and lets hope for the better 3 Robin Uthappa - lack of experience. I think it should of been robin or sehwag for the WC no need for both (preferred robin). 4 Sachin Tendulkar - good form recently, wud like to see u perform well at the WC. ur a smart brain i love it when he bowls. hes a smart bowler. goes for runs sometimes but yet again i think hes smart and by far the most honest player I have seen. 5 Virender Sehwag - wud like to see laxman instead of sehwag. either sehwag or robin should of been picked. no sense in picking both. Laxman adds the stability to the middle order (much needed considering the injuries to yuvi) 6 Yuvraj Singh - too many injuries off lately but if india has to perform at the WC yuvi is the key player. middle order needs him for sure. if hes out of form i think india are not in a chance of it because the chances of india loosing only 3 wickets every match are very unlikely. 7 Mahendra Singh Dhoni - Good pick .. but he shud plan his innings in a better way 8 Dinesh Karthik - good for the future didnt see a place for him in the present WC team - wud of liked kaif - given kaif was given a couple of more matches to proove his worth and considering kaif's prev experience in 03. 9 Irfan Pathan - way out of sorts and out of form and to make it worse hes injured now! so much for the physical fittness of team india! 10 Ajit Agarkar - good pick for the WC i think hes a smart pick. much better than balaji/nehra. 11 Harbhajan Singh - doesnt give away too many runs but unable to take many wickets away from home. but still i wudnt pick anyone else other than him for the WC. sorry powar is good but i thnk for this WC it has to be bhajji and kumble. 12 Anil Kumble - too much experience however i think hes not as good in the ODI's as he is in the tests. still need him to be there at the WC. 13 Zaheer Khan - great comeback! Hope he doesnt get carried away. I still consider him our main bowler irrespective of how good of a form pathan is in (given pathan returns to form). he has the experience from the prev WC and knows what his problems were in the final against AUS. 14 Sreesanth - good pick .. but i think he will be benched for most of the games unless if one of the key guys are injured or unless if one of them looses it completely during a game. 15 Munaf Patel - been good in the last 2 ODI;s lets see if hes equally consistent in the remaining games against SL. i saw him bowling at a decent pace - 140 kmph mark. not trying too hard. not trying too many things.. line and length very accurate.. pitched the balls in the right areas CONSISTENTLY!
The players who will sit out in the games at the WC given all of them are fit Kumble/Sree/Dinesh/agarkar
RE:Team india???!??
by Harinder Toor on Feb 13, 2007 10:32 PM
OH LET ME KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU SHARE THOUGHTS DIFFERENT THAN MINE OR DISAGREE. I TRY TO FOLLOW CRICKET CLOSELY ALTHOUGH I AM RESIDING IN CANADA
RE:Volunteering for Ganguly
by Sanjeev Kumar on Feb 13, 2007 10:22 PM
You can be fan of anyone but you should never get away from truth, just to support ur favorite. In sports, performance and attitude is very important. Saurav was discarded because of both and India was at 7th position in ODI. There were days when India performed better under Saurav but not when he was removed as a captain and player. Now he is performing and we should be happy about it. But he is not even the top ten players of the world and if you choose to eulogise such people, it shows ur standard where logic and reality is left behind, just to fulfil ur obsession. Where would it end???? Probably more psycholocalogically challenged people behaved this way.
Sehwag can be played....at very low down the order even after Dhoni....he can be used as a slogger in the end overs and ..team should not depend on him during crunch situations. BUT...BUT.....all these is acceptable if they do not compromise on a bowler...just becoz sehwag can bowl....they should not leave holes in our bowling attack.
RE:Sehwag's inclusion...not a bad plan...but must not backfire
by Vimalesh singh on Feb 14, 2007 08:33 AM
Sehwag should not bat down the order simply because he has no varity of strokes like sachin. shehwag is just like a lottery ticket!! so why not cash him upfront rather then wasting your lottery down!!
Selecting Kumble over Romesh Powar is foolish move..and selectiog SEhwag is biggest mistake...if any player can go WEST INDIES..For Big even like World Cup then he should prove himself..Sehwag is biggest gamble Selecors have ever played..
When Dravid took over the captaincy India ranked no.8 in the world. Ganguly was world no.38 when he was dropped. So throw your theories down the toilet if possible.
RE:To Indra sengupta
by Swagata Biswas on Feb 13, 2007 09:35 PM
For Dravid only opening partnership possible in the world cup that Greg Chappel & Himself, and can bat whole 50 overs with a total of 50.
RE:To Indra sengupta
by neha mangal on Feb 13, 2007 09:58 PM
It seems that Mr. Keshav has his own rating system. Don't make yourself a laughable stock with these baseless facts.
RE:To Indra sengupta
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 13, 2007 10:06 PM
One can not be fan of somebody for nothing. It is useless to bring regionalism if the followed and the follower speak the same language. I am really shocked how some readers are using abusive language to me for showing my support to and showering my praise for any player. It is a question of appeal. One may be a die hard fan of Kishore Kumar another guy may like Mukesh more. These are quite natural. WIth due respect to all my critic friends in rediff may I be allowed to say that I shall never withdraw from the scene and shall carryon my self solicited pious duty of eulogising Ganguly. Either bear with me or neglect me, but do not advise me to stop writing. It is my right to express myself, listening or rejecting is your prerogative. Thanks
RE:RE:To Indra sengupta
by Suman Bhat on Feb 13, 2007 10:50 PM
india was ranked No 2 odi ranking when team teached ICC WC2003 and after that team had many defeats and even ganguly had very bad patch and it was ranked 8th when dravid made captain. In five yrs ganuly and john build the team and watched how it collapsed. In the beginnig of drvid captiacny team won 17 out 22 games and moved ranked No 4 but after defeat in WI, DLF cup, SA it is now ranked 6th. Ganguly success as captain was b'cuz of contributions of dravid, sachin laxman kumble and sewag not b'cuz of leadeship qulity or aggression as media projected. dravid constantaly blamed and criticised b'cuz he became captain and ganguly was out of team now ganguly had great comeback but the runs he scored helped him get a place in WC team but he did not win any matches In SA it was srisant, pathan and kartick got MOM.
RE:RE:RE:To Indra sengupta
by Nirmalya Chakraborty on Feb 14, 2007 10:37 AM
When ganguly won as captain for India then it is the contribution of dravid, laxman, sachin and kumble and when dravid won for India it is only dravid's contribution.. what a logic.. are u a relative of rahul dravid.. I find you advocating for dravid for long..
RE:To Indra sengupta
by Swagata Biswas on Feb 13, 2007 09:32 PM
Hi Keshav, I am not sure what ranking do you mean, India was within top 3 in several times during ganguly's captency, but unfortunately now slipped behind west Indies & Bangladesh without Ganguly. Anyway we can now hope for some good cricket as Ganguly'z now back with Bang...
The Indian think tank! I do not know who they comprise of exactly!! Apparently the experiments during the last one year has shaken the solid ediffice, built by Wright and Ganguly. 1. Removal of Ganguly from captaincy and side was a blunder particularly when the bad patch of the legend was showing signs of recovery. 2. A mediocre cricketer used to jump too much for making appeals disproportionate to the number of dismissals caused by him, removed Saurav. 3. A man passing the Secondary examination in third division becomes the examiner of a national scholar! 4. A bowler was made to open the innings and was advised to concentrate on batting instead of bowling. 5. An young and enthusiastic good player of club cricket level was carried along and nurtured with the hope that he would be a replacement for Ganguly. 6. Give this club cricketer one thousand chances and his average would not improve beyond 20. 7. Some good players were put under threat and coercion- perform or perish, thereby reducing their confidence level to the rock bottom. 8. By giving of and on chance to the old war horses and some new comers, nothing ultimately clicked. 9. A bunch of scattered individuals are placed in the hands of an uncertain leader who is thinking too many things at a time and lacking in conviction himself. 10. I do not know how many more blunders would be committed by the think tank before or during the world cup. 11. I can only suggest that Vengsarkar is the only person whom the team can look forward to for directions off the field. 12. On the field decisions should be collective and taken after consultation between the trio Sachin-Dravid-Ganguly. 13. Chappel should concentrate on advising the players on cricketing shots, running between the wickets, batting and bowling grips and so on. 14.Changing Rahul's captaincy is neither possible nor necessary at this stage but he should not be obstinate and he must consult Saurav and Sachin on the field all the time. 15. Anyone by any chance close to the dressing room or whatever may pass on the tips to the persons concerned, I have no access to any. 16. Let us hope for the best anyway.
RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by sandeep on Feb 13, 2007 09:39 PM
HI, You are definitely a hard core DADA fan. If Ganguly's performance would have been as consistent as he is performing now, now body would have dropped him. After he was side lined he realised that even MAHARAJ can be dropped. Moreover you would not have dared to be sarcastic about TEAM INDIA if Ganguly COMEBACK would have failed. Cheers
RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Deepak Khanna on Feb 13, 2007 10:34 PM
well..I love the way ganguly fought his way back to the team and have nothing against him but the thing is people from bengal support him blindly not coz of his talent but ONLY coz of the fact that he is a bengali. They have a very narrow point of view and I know that since I live among them(though I am not originally from here). Yes they are very sentimental people but need to grow up. Their world seems to end in Bengal(yes there are exceptions but I'm talking of the majority).
RE:RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Gaurav Bhattacharjee on Feb 13, 2007 10:42 PM
Mr. Khanna Probably you are disturbed by the fact the Bengalis united for a cause whereas nobody in you can even think of doing that because for you it's only the money which is above everything. You people are too too money minded. First grow yourself. Then do the preaching business.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Deepak Khanna on Feb 13, 2007 10:46 PM
Exactly Mr Gaurav, thats wat I want to say, most of you are loosers without any work , don;t know how to earn money thats why you people suffer from a severe inferiority complex and thats the reason when someone from your region becomes popular you all get together and see your success in his success as you know most of you can't succeed. I hope all my fellow readers here will agree to me its Inferiority complex nothing else, even you may agree if you look inside you even though you may not agree here.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 14, 2007 07:00 AM
No no. We do not suffer any complex, inferiority or superiority from the Khannas in particular at least. To the Bengalis, Khannas are very gentle well shaven well behaved Munna Punjabis. I do not remember contributions from Khannas or the likes either in education, freedom movement or statesmanship or business or sports, to such a great extent that can make a Bengali jealous. Moreover if you consider yourself as an Indian there is no reason to be jealous in your brother%u2019s achievements. So far as I am concerned I have no regrets that I do not have black money and what I earn from my employers is more than sufficient for us husband and wife. My daughter and son in law are both settled in the US doing PhD from an University there and I have no regrets that they are not staying here, earning money from adulterating the edible products or building bridges that collapse. If you term us the Bengalis cowards or not knowing how to earn money desperately I would accept that as a compliment. Some people having no knowledge about Bengal or Bengalis, their culture, history, films, freedom struggle write non-sense from their dens. I pity you biased guys. God bless you.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Nirmalya Chakraborty on Feb 14, 2007 10:58 AM
Sourav is not god for bengalis because there is no derth of famous bengalis unlike u punjabis.. I don't see any of your fellow readers agreed with you.. For us the world does not start or end with money alone unlike you.. We contribute more to the soceity than living selfishly like u people do.. BTW you have replied ur own message twice.. This proves how intelligent you are..
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by SAMRAT ROYCHOWDHURY on Feb 14, 2007 01:23 AM
Mr Deepak Khanna, This writing may reach the forum late, but, it is entirely because I'm based in UK. We do not know how to earn money is true..............and we do not intend to...........because that is not the sole 'motto' in our life! You are talking about 'inferiority complex'....... after having had 'Rabindranath Tagore', 'Mother Teresa', 'Amartya Sen', and 'Satyajit Ray' from the region...............what are you talking about? 'Erudites' are a normal feature in this region.............we do not discuss it! Please stop this mud-slinging........ Best wishes!
RE:RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Deepak Khanna on Feb 13, 2007 10:37 PM
Just look at his average, he was failing repeatedly and for the whole year his average was below 20, I don't remember a single Indian batsman to be so much out of form for such a long time and still in the team. He was given too many chances before being dropped and yes he is a selfish cricketer just look at his stats -in all run outs he is involved, he has run out the other batsman in most of the cases.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Deepak Khanna on Feb 13, 2007 10:43 PM
well..the fact is for bengalis he is more than god. Let me tell you here the first thing people ask is "how much saurav has scored" and then "what is India's score". For them Ganguly's success is more important than Team India's. This may look harsh but is the fact. For these people, their region is more important than the nation and regionalism comes before nationalism. What a pity...
RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Raja Ivaturi on Feb 13, 2007 09:08 PM
Hi I am sure you are hardcore fan of Ganguly, but please avoid talking too much about Ganguly episode. I dont have anything against Ganguly and in fact the way he came back in to the team is amazing and proved that he is a class player. But do we need to discuss this much for one player is a question and I am not convinced about it. When Ganguly was removed he was not really doing well at all and added lot of other issues like quarelling with umpires in domestic cricket and not cooperating with Indian team in Pak tour. With one good innings in domestic tournament and poor performance of some youngsters gave him chance back in to the team. Please remeber, he got a fair deal compared to many good players. Remember how player like Mohinder Amarnath struggled when people like Kirthi Azad were in the team. Even now see the fate of players like Wasim Jaffer who even after reasonably good series in WI and SA is not a certainty. Dravid was out for 1 year and had to comeback through wicket keeping. How much Kumble had to do to enter in to ODI and even not getting a permenant place.
RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 13, 2007 10:04 PM
One can not be fan of somebody for nothing. It is useless to bring regionalism if the followed and the follower speak the same language. I am really shocked how some readers are using abusive language to me for showing my support to and showering my praise for any player. It is a question of appeal. One may be a die hard fan of Kishore Kumar another guy may like Mukesh more. These are quite natural. WIth due respect to all my critic friends in rediff may I be allowed to say that I shall never withdraw from the scene and shall carryon my self solicited pious duty of eulogising Ganguly. Either bear with me or neglect me, but do not advise me to stop writing. It is my right to express myself, listening or rejecting is your prerogative. Thanks
RE:RE:Some Basic Tips Before the Cup
by halwai sanjay on Feb 13, 2007 10:31 PM
I fully agree with Mr Raja . Ganguly is not god who can do the miracle . Moreover , he eas doing poltics more than playing good cricket . It is high time that we all should back Dravid & entire team for good performance in WC.No point talking Ganguly - Dravid affiar at this moment .
sehwag is running with his poor form,still he is picked up by our SELECTORS!!!. he is a ALL ROUNDER,so our selectors seen him as a bowler more then as a batman. instead of sehwag : raina/kaif should be picked up .they will strengten feilding dept.
RE:y sehwag
by Raja Ivaturi on Feb 13, 2007 09:09 PM
I 100% agree. Cant understand the captain like Dravid who didnt even fight for Kumble, fighting for Sehwag at the cost of players like Kaif.
RE:RE:y sehwag
by ny nj on Feb 13, 2007 09:49 PM
Did you see last WC performance of Kaif. He failed in most of the matches, except for one match where everyone played. He should be consistant enough like a middle order batsman, before even he thinks of coming into the team, forget about WC. Cheers.
RE:RE:y sehwag
by Govind Raj on Feb 13, 2007 09:43 PM
Sehwag and Kaif are like cheese and chalk. One is an aggressive multi-dimensional player. He may fail 4 out of five times. But one match he can win on his own. When Sehwag fires, team does not need others. And remember more than useful bowling. Kaif on the other hand is a fabulous fielder and an avarage batsman. He needs a lot of time to settle down and is suspect while setting targets. He is not even half as good as Yuveraj when quick runs are needed. Even a failing Sehwag scores at 90 - 100 strike rate. Kaif at best can score at 80 - 85 and has a career strike rate of 68 runs per 100 balls. And in the past one year or so it was still worse at only 64 / 100 balls. Even considering he comes late in the day, his strike rate is at best comparable to Laxman. And Laxman being a Top Order Bat, can afford it. But a Late Middle Order Bat like Kaif should have a Strike Rate of 85 at least. This is the reason for Kaif's omission. And unless he can devise ways to score fast, Kaif is going to find himself out of ODIs. The best example of improved performance is Rahul Dravid. He too was not a regular ODI Team Member. But he has lifted his career strike rate from 66 to 73 over past 3 - years and his strike rate over past 4 years has been a phenomenal 82 / 100 balls. Please note that these are not absolutely accurate figures, but approximate ones.
RE:RE:y sehwag
by sandeep on Feb 13, 2007 09:42 PM
Hi, I am neither Sehwag nor Kaif follower, but Check out Sehwag's last 10 match performance, he averages 53.51 as compared to kaif's 45.12. Raina is super flop.
I do not understand why a second wicket keeper has been included instead of VVS Laxman or Md Kaif.Kartik will be only act as a water carrier and the team will miss the service of Kaf and Laxman.It seems Dravid is not going by any cricketing logic like ther earlier Chairman of Selection Committee Kiron More who once declared that Ganguly's name will never be considered in future but surprisingly Ganguly has been performing consistently since his come back.Similarly Zahir Khan was deprieved of his position in the team.It is high time that Dravid use his cricketing brain instead of fighting with the Manager.He should remember that Desai has been heading the Goa Cricket Association for quite some time and he is a good cricket administrator and has a good cricketing brain.
RE:Inclusion of Second wicket keeper
by Mauruthi on Feb 14, 2007 05:26 AM
Kartik is good batsman shown talent... Kaif and VVS has poor average and have consistently failed... how can VVS and Kaif ask for inclusion ... let them have a look at their averages
