This guy kirsten came after sachin and has keft cricketing scene but sachin is still there playing and making big runs. how can he coach a guy like sachin who is an institution in itself?
RE:Kirsten
by Vishvapriyo Ray on Dec 05, 2007 07:44 AM
More importantly, how is it that Kirsten got the job ahead of someone like Martin Crowe. It is very well known that Crowe was one of the shrewdest captains of his time. Gary was only a stop gap captain for a few matches. I guess only the BCCI and the coach finding committee knows the answer.
RE:Kirsten
by Mohammed Islamul on Dec 05, 2007 08:03 AM
Its all because of one person who hates the australians so much.
Sunny Gavaskar. Or Sinny Gavaskar ???
Just because he hates them, he didnt even let Dave Whatmore join. Same as Rob Done. Chappel didnt click due to the presence of high profiles in our team like Sachin and Ganguly. Who were unwilling to unlearn and learn a bit again. Remember Michael Clarke, Symonds, Hayden, the Waughs and Langers were all made to unlearn and relearn what they have contributed.
Unfortunately, Dave whatmore, who did a great job with Bangladesh and also Srilanka in taking them through the wc, having worked with the likes of Jayasuriya, Attappattu, Murali and the likes too didnt find a place.
Only because Gavaskar hates the Australians.
Thanks Gavaskar, for having a detrimental influence on the team inspite of your poor acts.
RE:Kirsten
by kesari ajay kalyan on Dec 05, 2007 08:15 AM
BCCI is looking for a calm guy.Martin crowe is agreesive player/captain compare to Kirsten.. Kirsten is very similar to John Wright.
At a meeting in Hong Kong, our delegation was making stirring speeches inviting the Chinese to invest in India. They were told of the riches that await them for the early birds. One banker stood up and asked them, if the returns are so great, why not the overseas Indians invest in a big way? "Do they know something which you are not telling us"?
Kirsten should have thought in those lines initially, knowing that none of our greats will ever consider this post despite them selling this offer to him, but finally thought he will be richer at the end of the ordeal.
RE:Foreign coaches
by on Dec 05, 2007 07:25 AM
i think BCCI should go for a Foregin seletor as well to get rid of any one questioning them!
Eventually...BCCI (who makes money) and Fans (who pour money into criket) will remain indian and Coach, Seletion, players, tech, boradcast etc will be Videshi !
RE:Foreign coaches
by Prasanna Kumar on Dec 05, 2007 08:47 AM
Hey Man! Don't give such ideas, these BCCI fools will defenetly consider your view then when ever India has to play against their country team they will drop all inform batsman and bowlers
RE:Martin Crowe
by Dinesh Kadam on Dec 05, 2007 07:53 AM
dont worry buddy. he is next in line. there is a big possibility of seeing him around this time next year.
When News circulated That Kirsten might not take a coaching Job w/o consulting w/ Senior players who had raised some objection, i was like it couldn't be right.... We indians are sometimes fooled by our institutional leadership, and are forced to take in foreign coaches, But GORA knows when not to give away an opportunity like that of India... It is a great opportunity for Kristen to make Mulla out of Indian stupidity. Front of Sachin tandulkar who is Kristen? As i understand it is a coaching position, not a managing position... What we really needed was a bowler... Even wasim Akram could have been plus if available.. i am just saying.... I am not excited taking in foreign coach. Senior players should show him the door...
RE:RE:When News
by Onlooker on Dec 05, 2007 06:50 AM
I don't think coaches are there to necessarily improve individual's performance. They are there to improve the team performance. To put it differently, if an individual needs improvement, you need to send him to a coaching camp where you will have specilized people to help you with. This coach is more for team performance - how you come together as a team. What are the strategies for a team, how much is an optimum practice needed for a team, study video footage of opposing team, identify strengths and weakness of the opposing team and be better prepared, changing batting order for the team depending on the circumstances etc. basically to improve the throughput of the team. I think they are there for things which an individual player cannot do which can be done by a captain and/or coach.
If India loses to Australia, most probly would, it wouldn't go into Kirsten's coach record now. For Indian players who use their brains (Kumble, Karthik etc), foreign coaches would be beneficial. Not like Venketa Prasad who when asked immediately after offered the bowling coach job said that he was not yet told what to do. Most foreign coaches would know what they are there for. It is the new ideas, that is priceless.
Its a shame that we have to turn to people from other test playing countries to fill in the position of coach when we have greats like Mohinder Amarnath who could have been given the high profile job. I hope that this Gary Kirsten appointment does not turn into another saga like the one we had with Greg Chappel.
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by kesari ajay kalyan on Dec 05, 2007 08:12 AM
Right now indian cricket team has tall and calm guy as a bowling coach. (venkatesh prasad)
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by Onlooker on Dec 05, 2007 06:04 AM
Applying your logic, what good would be a Fast bowler coach to a spinner and what good would be a leg spinner coach to an off spinner?
It's a general misconception that Indian team is doing good without a coach, based on India's present performances in India. Indian team in India is considered as good as Australians on Australian or any other soil. The pitches are made to turn and there is hardly any grass on pitches. The pitches are so prepared, that they suit Indian batsmen to score and spinners to turn the ball. But whenever Indian team goes abroad, the scenario changes completely. Consider this .... are there any pitches in the world similar to Indian pitches? Even Bangladesh has started preparing the pitches that suit fast bowlers. The fast pitches are essential to nurture the fast bowlers and good batsmen alike.
Out of ten test playing nations fast and bouncy pitches can be seen in Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand, Zimbabwe, Srilanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan. So, you see, it's only India where the pitches are slow. Now, go back and see our records on those ..... since when did we win a test series outside India? (Forget about last series in England for the time being).
So if we play three spinners (India's strength) they are most likely to retrun wicketless, medium pacers or the fast bowlers can not do anything more, as simply they do not have much of exposure to such conditions and lastly the batsmen can not bat on bouncy pitches ... the result a heavy defeat abroad!
The idea behind a win is the attitude, as long as India stays in the mentality to win the matches on the Indian p
RE:Misconception
by vsvfye hrthrtht on Dec 05, 2007 07:55 AM
donot forget the test series wins on Pakistan in Pakistan, we won our last test series in West Indies so i think we did pretty gud, we were not gud overseas a decade ago but i think we are pretty decent now a days.
RE:Misconception
by Abhijit Dongre! on Dec 05, 2007 04:19 AM
contd .... pitches we won't succeed outside, be it an Indian coach, no coach or a foreign coach.
RE:Misconception
by kesari ajay kalyan on Dec 05, 2007 08:09 AM
If that is the case .. I have few questions 1) How shane warne,Murali and anil crossed 550 wickets (because expect you india,every where fast bowling pitches only) 2) Why other countries not able to beat india in india (forget about last series against Australia for time being) 3) Why indian batsmen are in top run makers in both ODI and Test? (as per you same rule should applied, they don't have much exposure to play fast bowling)
One thing is clear "Batsmen should have more footwork and technic to play spin bowling"
The main thing is,Aus,Eng ruling the cricket boards.They don't want to other countries as champions. That's way before they will land here, they start giving statements " India will intensionally making spin pitches"...like this.. .. How ever i will agree with you in one point.Rightnow in india we don't have fast bowling pitches.It could be nice if we make some of them are fast bowling.But no need to change all the pitches.
