Our so called sincere n matured Indian ppl r again barking on cricket , actually either team wins r losses, they ppl r just to bark, they/Ganguli supporters r unable to digest that
1) dravid won 3 overseas ( out of sub continent ) matches in 25 test n ganguli in 3 ( leave Zim ) in 49 test , so who is better 2) in one days dravid%u2019s winning percentage is better than ganguli, , so who is better 3) if ganguli has some glories in long period then dravid also in short perod, so who is better 4) if zaheer was fit n bowlers were fit, then why did they take 15 over (approx) to bowl out 10 the wicket of eng in 1st inning 5) n why did not zaheer got any wicket in secong inning, n why did he go again just after bowling 4 over in second inning 6) ppl forget it is not dravid r ganuli due to them Indian team was winning, when players click team wins otherwise not, so captain is as good as team 7) ppl will see in future whoever will lead the team his stats would be better , it is very natural, it has nothing to do with captaincy, it is relevant with team efforts, 8) ssome ppl say if ganguli r pointing had been , they would have imposed follow on, perhaps they forget it was ganguli who took even third day to bat , n did not imposed follow on on 4th day even being leading by 225 bcoz he did not want to take risk as series was at par, n when did ponting impose follow on, if any1 knows tell me plz, however here dravid had already won the series n did not take risk, ppl have seen
RE:dravid v ganguli
by Arun Mehra on Aug 17, 2007 04:56 PM
Hey u joker Amit sharma....i can see u have been fa.t..g all over the sight. Answer one simple question, it was Dhiru Bhai Ambani who built a 5000 crore company from scratch, and his sons took that to 80,000 crore, who is great Dhirubhai or his sons. If u give me 5000 crores even i can build an empire but who builds it from scratch is the one who will be remembered. India already started doing well during Gangulys regime and he had built a team from scratch and first started winning abroad, and mind u against teams like australia,pakistan, england and west indies. My example about Ambanis may be too far fetched but it is to make some thick skulled individuals like u understand. Cant u see how ambani brothers inspite of infighting and dividing the business , still growing exponentially. But today ask them to build 5000 crores from scratch i am 1000% sure they will fail to do it.
RE:dravid v ganguli
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 17, 2007 06:43 PM
who is there from the team which Ganguly Groomed? Where is Sehwag? Where is Bhajji? Where is pathan? Where is kaif? Where is balaji? Where is nehra?
do you have sense to say dravid is taking the things that were created by Ganguly?
Only yuvraj and zaheer are remained in that group which played under ganguly other than the top 4 seniors.
So how can you say dravid is continueing and benefitting the thins that were doen by ganguly?
if ganguly encouraged young guys like sehawag, bhajji, yuvraj today dravid is doing the same by encouraging Dinesh kaarthik, RP singh, Sreeshanth.
Stop this nonsense of comparing the things. 2 individuals are different.
RE:dravid v ganguli
by Arun Mehra on Aug 17, 2007 07:40 PM
I never said the same team is playing under dravid, just check properly i have spoken about winning ways. Ponting took over from Steve Waugh and now very few players are left from that team but still the team keeps on winning. Its about lifting a teams standards and taking it to a different level, so that even the new commers have to pull them to that level to enter the team. How come u cant see that how many match winners like pathan, sehwaag, and bhajji were destroyed under him.
RE:dravid v ganguli
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 20, 2007 02:05 PM
I really pith people when they compare India with Australia for everything. But people criticises if the same australian wanted to change the attitude of the Indian people to match australian mentality.
RE:dravid v ganguli
by hool on Aug 18, 2007 12:29 PM
It is quite natural that Dravid's team should perform better than Ganguly's team because Dravid get a prepared team and more strong team which was made by Ganguly.But Dravid's team would not perform better even they played worst.That proves Ganguly is a better captain than Dravid.
Just follow the chain like Taylor-Steve-Ponting.All are good but we say Steve is best and Ponting is good and Taylor is better.Hope you understand.Don't go on records just think.
Our so called sincere n matured Indian ppl r again barking on cricket , actually either team wins r losses, they ppl r just to bark, they/Ganguli supporters r unable to digest that
1) dravid won 3 overseas ( out of sub continent ) matches in 25 test n ganguli in 3 ( leave Zim ) in 49 test , so who is better 2) in one days dravid%u2019s winning percentage is better than ganguli, , so who is better 3) if ganguli has some glories in long period then dravid also in short perod, so who is better 4) if zaheer was fit n bowlers were fit, then why did they take 15 over (approx) to bowl out 10 the wicket of eng in 1st inning 5) n why did not zaheer got any wicket in secong inning, n why did he go again just after bowling 4 over in second inning 6) ppl forget it is not dravid r ganuli due to them Indian team was winning, when players click team wins otherwise not, so captain is as good as team 7) ppl will see in future whoever will lead the team his stats would be better , it is very natural, it has nothing to do with captaincy, it is relevant with team efforts, 8) ssome ppl say if ganguli r pointing had been , they would have imposed follow on, perhaps they forget it was ganguli who took even third day to bat , n did not imposed follow on on 4th day even being leading by 225 bcoz he did not want to take risk as series was at par, n when did ponting impose follow on, if any1 knows tell me plz, however here dravid had already won the series n did not take risk, ppl have seen
Actually ganguli supporter r unable to digest 2 series win in so short period ( less than 25 match) of captaincy however ganguli just 1, n woh bhi against zim bad luck saurav's supporters
rahul dravid proved he is better captain than ganguly in less than 2 yrs. team won odi and test series without ganguly thendulkar under dravid's captaincy. and 2 ex captains jealous of dravid and trying their best to prove dravid not good capatain by playing safe for self and negative for team. it happened during SA tour and WC 2007. dravid is better managed all players and playing safe so that ind did not loose the series.dravid is not timid or coward captain but very intlligent that he not only managed to win the series but managing dirty back stage politics of ganguly and tendulkar and and their gang. Befroe the III test ganguly chamacha media person came up with false story about 20 twenty cup team selection blaming dravid and dravid has to clarify it zahir khan is gnaguly chamacha and he never like dravid so he will say he is not tired at least sRee got 5 wkt in less than one of int'l cricket but zhir khan got only 2 times in 6 yrs int'l career. since vengasrakar is supporting the tendulkar and his chelas yuvraj, gnaguly and tendulakar are breathing neck of dravid as captian. dravid anchored success for gnaguly as captain 2075 runs in 21 tests average 105.11 in which india won under gnaguly. and when everybody was scraming tendulkar should retire dravid supported tendulkar instead of reciprocating both ex captains are jealous and trying best to get rid of dravid team the way they did it to chappell ind media always biased dravid no guts to highlight the dirty politics of
1) Did sachin ever answered the question of why he hasnt made Newzeland follow on 10 years back in INdia?
2) Saurav did ever answered the question why he played not 100% fit Munaf Patel in the last match against South Africa. We were 1-0 up and we played Munal patel who was 50% fit and we dont have 4 bolwers to bowl out SA in the last innings and we lost the match and draw the series. Did Saurav answered the question why he played Munaf Patel?
3) did azhar ever answered a question why he wont the toss and gave batting to England and Gooch scored 333 on that match in which we lost by an innings?
Captain is the best judge of whatever decisions he takes. Some will come fruitful and some not. He need not be answerable to anybody.
Lets stop this nonsense and enjoy the success we got.
RE:Captaincy Decisions
by Aneesh on Aug 16, 2007 02:24 PM
Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi, hope u r an idiot coming up with 10 year old issues. LOL.
Those issues have no significance here now! The statistics above shows Saurav is the best captain India have ever seen. No doubt in that because "numbers speak for themselves". You are trying to find unwanted things to protect dravid. I pity you.
Lets stop this nonsense? What is nosense. All the above given statistics are in good sense only. You are the nonsense and brainless. If you can't digest those number just f-u-c-kk offf.
As per your stupid findings, I understand tendulkar, ganguly and azhar made big mistakes. So dravid now made this blunder because of that! Right? he he he
RE:Captaincy Decisions
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 17, 2007 03:52 PM
I never ever said DRavid did because others did. My point is siomple. Captain is the best judge of the whole situation team is in and takes decisions based on a lot of factors.
I think Azhar was th worst captain India has ever produced, atleast on foreigh soils.... Tensulkar being nurtured under him, also learnt bad thinking from Azhar..otherwise Sachin was having all the gr8 potential to become gr8 leader, captain... Its Sourav , who has transformed India into a better traveller... Hats off to him ....
In the latest interview Zaheer khan said he was not tired and now he must be in trouble with BCCI and Dravid.
Its actualy very funny...if someone says good things about Dravid and BCCI there is no gag like bhajji and Sehwag said recently. But if some player says in support of his team members then they get a hit on their knucles by the BCCI.
R we living in a democracy? Our captain is giving excuses like bowlers were tired and sitting in the dressing room u cant judge a situation.
Dravid trying to say all fans are so stupid while Dravid Sharad Pawar Niranjan shah Kiran More Greg Chappel are the smart people.
India has got such a good team but i really spineless captain.
IF we dont get rid of Dravid(the captain) before the Australian it will be a real shame. India will anyway get humiliated.
the Highlight of england tour was- 1.England without their pace attack of flintoff harmission hogard. 2.Rahul Dravid failing with the bat again. 3.Dravid not enforcing the follow on and totop that batting ever so slowly.
RE:Zaheer was not tired?
by Bango Khota on Aug 16, 2007 09:50 AM
Famous Against Australi in Australia which Saurav Fans always quote.2003-2004 Australia v India - 2nd Test Adelaide Oval
Bowlers that time were, J N Gillespie, B A Williams, S C G MacGill, A J Bichel, S M Katich, S R Waugh
Gillespie How many overs he can Bowl? He is not Zaheer Khan who can not get tired. ODI jo khelna hein. Otherwise somebody can take his place.
Dravid first inning 233 runs Laxman 148 runs. Dada ? 2 mere runs
second inning Dravid 72 sehwag 47 and our great Bengal Paper Tiger 12 runs......
RE:Zaheer was not tired?
by Arun Mehra on Aug 17, 2007 05:06 PM
"Bango Khota" whatever that means. So what did dravid do in this england series, so ask him also not to take credit for this series victory, as his average is probably lowest amongst all the batsmen, he has contributed nothing. Keep ur ganguly hatred to urself atleast when u r in public forums like this, and dont make a fool of urself.
RE:Zaheer was not tired?
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 16, 2007 12:20 PM
1) Did sachin ever answered the question of why he hasnt made Newzeland follow on 10 years back in INdia?
2) Saurav did ever answered the question why he played not 100% fit Munaf Patel in the last match against South Africa. We were 1-0 up and we played Munal patel who was 50% fit and we dont have 4 bolwers to bowl out SA in the last innings and we lost the match and draw the series. Did Saurav answered the question why he played Munaf Patel?
3) did azhar ever answered a question why he wont the toss and gave batting to England and Gooch scored 333 on that match in which we lost by an innings?
Captain is the best judge of whatever decisions he takes. Some will come fruitful and some not. He need not be answerable to anybody.
Lets stop this nonsense and enjoy the success we got.
Wadekar: Rahul Dravid as a captain has finally come full circle and now is able to implement what he wants. Previously his thoughts might have been influenced by that of the coach, but during the England series he was on his own. Bizarrely, each time we have won in England there was no coach.
Bedi: We do better without a coach. For too long they've been spoonfed and now that they are on their own they probably realised their responsibilities better. Dravid has done a reasonable job as a captain: either he has been very good and attacking or at times he gets defensive, but he is learning.
Sehwag: I was really impressed by Rahul's captaincy. It doesn't matter if you have the coach or not because it is the captain who handles things on the ground and Rahul carried the right changes at the right times with the bowling changes and the field positions.
Harbhajan: We haven't won anything much for quite some time now and credit must go to Rahul Dravid and the senior boys who took the responsibility and led ably on the field.
Records will not say the exact story of a match and also will not lie too. Here the above record will exactly talks about Sachin Tendulkar's contribution in winning overseas test matches. Man he scored six hundreds and two fifties at an average of 97.07(1359 runs). I remember he scored a 40 odd important runs in a low scoring test match win in south africa(jobarg). People critisise him without looking at the facts. He manages that very well.I dont think any other batsman other than Ricky Ponting will have a better record than our own Sachin I guess. Lara has the dubious record of most number of centuries & runs in losing course of test match in all time list. So we should proud of sachin for his little(The reason i put little for people who always critisise him for them it is little but not for others) achivements.Well done sachin.
RE:Tendulkar winning record in test matches overseas
by ARJUN sawant on Aug 20, 2007 08:33 AM
thats good sachin is always there to contrubute. he is living god
