(CONTD But motive ? Evidently the motive could be the next two charges by opposition---favoritism or cronyism and price to cushion in kick-backs. It looks the govt. changes IOP rules of DPP2013 retrospectively to introduce Anil Ambani as middle man later as he was not acceptable to French govt. along with the main contract and to bring in Anil Ambani later. I am not sure how safe the contract is even if it is IGA w/o “sovereign guarantee” but reason for not giving sovereign guarantee by French govt. could be Anil Ambani as IOP in whom they are not having confidence. Further, the negotiating parties on Indian side were the IAF& MOD while on the French side only Dassault officials. Then how it is IGA ? Procedure and IOP covered , now come to price.The govt. accepts there is no change in RFP , that is bare plane and the avionics of both UPA and NDA are same but Modi govt. seems to have added weaponry/missiles which was not part of UPA Rfp.It is but natural price will be more, one inflation due to delay of 3 yrs and two due to weaponry but how much more and how to justify unless we are told of the price? Eric Trappier in his interview to ANI said three things:1)the bare plane with configuration and avionics are same,2) the bare plane is 9% cheaper which looks illogical because the add-ons cost of 126 planes have to be lower compared 36 nos. adjusted for inflation of 3 yrs delay 3) the weaponry is a separate contract with weapon supplier MBDA.
Re: CHANGE IN IOP RULES RETROSPECTIVELY A FORCED MOVE-II
by damodaran mohan on Nov 16, 2018 08:57 PM
(contd)But cost as I understand is included and that’s why naturally final cost is more. But unless we know the break up details and final price how do we justify the higher price for two reasons:1) the claim of 9% cheaper could be achieved by shifting a small part of bare plane cost to MBDA weaponry inflating its cost and 2) the inflated weaponry cost could contain the ‘kick-backs’ part too which we can’t know unless the prices are revealed and perhaps that is why price is not being revealed.
(CONTD But motive ? Evidently the motive could be the next two charges by opposition---favoritism or cronyism and price to cushion in kick-backs. It looks the govt. changes IOP rules of DPP2013 retrospectively to introduce Anil Ambani as middle man later as he was not acceptable to French govt. along with the main contract and to bring in Anil Ambani later. I am not sure how safe the contract is even if it is IGA w/o “sovereign guarantee” but reason for not giving sovereign guarantee by French govt. could be Anil Ambani as IOP in whom they are not having confidence. Further, the negotiating parties on Indian side were the IAF& MOD while on the French side only Dassault officials. Then how it is IGA ? Procedure and IOP covered , now come to price.The govt. accepts there is no change in RFP , that is bare plane and the avionics of both UPA and NDA are same but Modi govt. seems to have added weaponry/missiles which was not part of UPA Rfp.It is but natural price will be more, one inflation due to delay of 3 yrs and two due to weaponry but how much more and how to justify unless we are told of the price? Eric Trappier in his interview to ANI said three things:1)the bare plane with configuration and avionics are same,2) the bare plane is 9% cheaper which looks illogical because the add-ons cost of 126 planes have to be lower compared 36 nos. adjusted for inflation of 3 yrs delay 3) the weaponry is a separate contract with weapon supplier MBDA.
Re: CHANGE IN IOP RULES RETROSPECTIVELY A FORCED MOVE-II
by damodaran mohan on Nov 16, 2018 08:57 PM
(contd)But cost as I understand is included and that’s why naturally final cost is more. But unless we know the break up details and final price how do we justify the higher price for two reasons:1) the claim of 9% cheaper could be achieved by shifting a small part of bare plane cost to MBDA weaponry inflating its cost and 2) the inflated weaponry cost could contain the ‘kick-backs’ part too which we can’t know unless the prices are revealed and perhaps that is why price is not being revealed.
So is the Rafale going Bofors way? Yes, absolutely but as Pratap Bhanu Mehta implies in his I/E column two days ago, given our track record, it is hard to see a decisive closure on the issue. The biggest anomaly or irregularity committed in Rafale deal is the entire procurement process has been turned upside down--instead of process steps from A to Z it is Z to A. All because Narendra Modi has decided not like a PM of India but like say Xi Jim Ping of China! Any procurement, more so defense procurement starts with the Indenting deptt., which in this case is the IAF/MOD and the RM is the indenter who puts up the requirement with justification by the deptt. to the CCS headed by PM, takes approval and places his approved requirement to PM for procurement. But what has happened is PM, taking advantage of UPA delays due to some sticking point otherwise concluded 95% on the Rafale procurement conveniently he himself becomes the indenter, prepares his own new RFP which he announces in France as the intent and then returns to India to order the RM to work back the procurement cancelling old Rfp about which RM got to know only after PM's announcement in France with his counterpart, French president. RM obeys and makes the IAF/MOD work back the entire process post facto.This is first process violation and violation no1 and being covered up saying no RFP is needed in case of IGA.
We are living in times when the phony politicians deliberately & cynically in pursuit of power do not even hesitate to denigrating constitutional institutions . The authorities of autonomous bodies like CBI , CIC ,CVC are being undermines & often influenced . which may pose a danger to democracy. Even Hon`ble SC is not spared & openly criticised for not delivering judgements suited to a particular group. It is indeed a new version of nationalism - demanding , declamatory & divisive, which shall lead to baneful consequences .
Re: Komaaaali Modi, the not
by P S SHAH on Nov 15, 2018 05:02 PM
Oye ever stinking kaliye, the smart thief referred by you is going to retain power for the next term without any difficulties while commie komaaaaaaalis like you can not do anything except continuing your never ending kraaaa......kraaaa.....kraaaa.. all the time as per your habit.
Re: Komaaaali Modi, the not
by P S SHAH on Nov 15, 2018 05:04 PM
Oye kaliye, instead of thinking about buxxtocks of other think some time about your ever stinking, dirty, kaaaaali, never washed or cleaned ........
Re: Urban Naxalite
by arungopal agarwal on Nov 15, 2018 12:28 PM
Connivance of Congress and judicial system, as at majority of places congress sponsored are sitting.
Truth that will benefit Chinna, Pak and pro chinna/pak shameless , freebooters cpi/m ..wapsi lobby.. who are so much used to freebies that they seem to go overboard for free wine, caviar, saffron biryani... Really greedy , ravenous lobby
Truth that will benefit Chinna, Pak and pro chinna/pak shameless , freebooters cpi/m ..wapsi lobby.. who are so much used to freebies that they seem to go overboard for free wine, caviar, saffron biryani... Really greedy , ravenous lobby
Bhusan,Arun shourie, Jaswant sinha and kapil sibal fighting this for Rahul gandhi to score perceptional gains for khangress before elections 2019.This tells the overall story that this fighter must be genuinely good plane which these guys(most of them are pak supporters) want to derail their procurement by India. SC must come clearly on this subject now without uttering ifs and buts. Hopefully they will.If it is proven otherwise that the deal was cheaper, will Mr Gogoi ( a very good friend of chidambaram and Kapil sibal) issue a arrest warrant for all the four guys above along with their mafia boss Rahul gandhi ? If not then what ever respect SC commands ( if any ) will also go in the eyes of public.
Re: Bhusan's role
by Prakash Bedekar on Nov 15, 2018 11:53 AM
All these petitioners are fighting for the truth regarding procurement of 36 aircrafts instead of 128 as planned earlier and it appeares that the entire deal is fishy and to favour one party.
Re: Re: Bhusan's role
by Rajnath Guru on Nov 15, 2018 11:59 AM
Truth that will benefit Chinna, Pak and pro chinna/pak shameless , freebooters cpi/m ..wapsi lobby.. who are so much used to freebies that they seem to go overboard for free wine, caviar, saffron biryani... Really greedy , ravenous lobby
Re: Re: Bhusan's role
by gokula patra on Nov 15, 2018 12:24 PM
Again understanding issue from You mr Prakash. 36 aircrafts negotiated to arrest the decline in fleet quality of IAF as urgent procurement (4 years) which is a history in sort given the poor track record of defence procurement in India. On 128 the deal was 18 on ready to fly condition and rest in collaboration with HAL( ??? as UPA never did any basic work in consultation with HAL) to be built in India . The entire thing was planned over 10 years which IAF was not ready as they wanted aircrafts immediate ly. So 36 aircrafts deals were signed to deliver them fro 2019 to 2022. Also UPA deal did not have meteor missiles. Also 36 deal had one addl suppl clause that later on the govt may add 70 more jets if required. Given the year on year updgradation happening in fighter jets ( like 6 th generation fighters ), rafael 128 may have been a bad deal as after 10 years, they may be out dated . That is why SC asked airforce guys to come for testimony. With Super sukohis/ own 5 generation plane/SU57 PAKFA on card, 36 nos of rafael is just sufficient for India forn ext 4-5 years. This jet will counter China's J 20 for sure.
Re: Re: Re: Bhusan's role
by gokula patra on Nov 15, 2018 12:28 PM
Also the $5BN off set clause negate HAL contract which otherwise would have imported the engine and key components from France. What Mr Pappu gandhi says that $5BN is going to Reliance is again wrong. There are 700 suppliers and contractors who will be involved in this $5BN off set clause.. These things are there in public domain.
Re: Re: Bhusan's role
by gokula patra on Nov 15, 2018 12:24 PM
Again understanding issue from You mr Prakash. 36 aircrafts negotiated to arrest the decline in fleet quality of IAF as urgent procurement (4 years) which is a history in sort given the poor track record of defence procurement in India. On 128 the deal was 18 on ready to fly condition and rest in collaboration with HAL( ??? as UPA never did any basic work in consultation with HAL) to be built in India . The entire thing was planned over 10 years which IAF was not ready as they wanted aircrafts immediate ly. So 36 aircrafts deals were signed to deliver them fro 2019 to 2022. Also UPA deal did not have meteor missiles. Also 36 deal had one addl suppl clause that later on the govt may add 70 more jets if required. Given the year on year updgradation happening in fighter jets ( like 6 th generation fighters ), rafael 128 may have been a bad deal as after 10 years, they may be out dated . That is why SC asked airforce guys to come for testimony. With Super sukohis/ own 5 generation plane/SU57 PAKFA on card, 36 nos of rafael is just sufficient for India forn ext 4-5 years. This jet will counter China's J 20 for sure.
Re: Re: Bhusan's role
by gokula patra on Nov 15, 2018 12:25 PM
Again understanding issue from You mr Prakash. 36 aircrafts negotiated to arrest the decline in fleet quality of IAF as urgent procurement (4 years) which is a history in sort given the poor track record of defence procurement in India. On 128 the deal was 18 on ready to fly condition and rest in collaboration with HAL( ??? as UPA never did any basic work in consultation with HAL) to be built in India . The entire thing was planned over 10 years which IAF was not ready as they wanted aircrafts immediate ly. So 36 aircrafts deals were signed to deliver them fro 2019 to 2022. Also UPA deal did not have meteor missiles. Also 36 deal had one addl suppl clause that later on the govt may add 70 more jets if required. Given the year on year updgradation happening in fighter jets ( like 6 th generation fighters ), rafael 128 may have been a bad deal as after 10 years, they may be out dated . That is why SC asked airforce guys to come for testimony. With Super sukohis/ own 5 generation plane/SU57 PAKFA on card, 36 nos of rafael is just sufficient for India forn ext 4-5 years. This jet will counter China's J 20 for sure.
Re: Re: Bhusan's role
by P S SHAH on Nov 16, 2018 10:22 AM
For the first time, there are no middle men are involved in this deal and the frustrated people who did not get anything in this deal are against this deal.
