Re: Re: Example of lies invented by chchaddees
by Neeta S on Feb 04, 2014 07:55 PM
So true, santa with a name like that is in hiding. But the days of these people are over. Indians now know the truth.
Re: Re: Re: Example of lies invented by chchaddees
by Santa on Feb 04, 2014 08:39 PM
Looks like you have taken the contract for writing "truth" and as per your definition, repeat a 1ie 1000 times and it becomes truth :-)
The moot point worth asking is if India really gained by booting out the Brits so soon & with such urgency. All we got was a despotic, socialist idiot like Nehru who was power-hungry & destroyed the strong edifice the Brits had built. The Brits, for all their faults, put India on the road to progress and modernity. And if anyone posts nonsense about divide & rule, this whole thing of Indians being so united and close at the grassroots is hogwash and this was proved in the brutality seen in Partition which shocked Nehru, Patel, Gandhi & even Jinnah who had kept claiming till then that the Brits had divided Indians. Time to do a reality check.
Re: Re: Did we gain when Brits left?
by Neeta S on Feb 04, 2014 07:58 PM
And btw, Santa, no less than Salman Khurshid's grandparents did NOT celebrate when India gained Independence. Was mentioned in an interview. Cos sitting in Lucknow, they as the city's elite knew what would happen after the British left. Many others too felt that way. And we have seen that people like his ancestors were indeed right.
A lady who had lost power in the post independent India wanted to fight elections from an unknown place and to get votes from a specific section of the society made this fanatic a hero. There were many other great people belonging to the same section of the society who had done yomen service to the society but was deliberately forgotten just because they were from pre-independent era and most importantly opposed her father.
Tipu is being glorified only for votes and not for any of his so called valour. In that respect, Tipu's father was a better administrator and possessed high religious tolerance. All contemporary visitors to India during his time speaks of his forcible conversions to Islam, especially in Malabar and Karnataka's west coast. When he demanded his own mentor and king maker Dewan Purniah to get converted, what more testimony is required for his religious intolerance? Hyder never played such acts of forcible conversion. Even losing of third and final fourth Mysore war was because of his bad man management policies. It may be noted that even Nizam of Hyderabad did not come to his help.
Re: Hyder was better than Tipu
by Santa on Feb 04, 2014 07:38 PM
Didn't get your logic. Why can't the political parties glorify Hyder Ali for the sake of votes, as you say? You write whatever suits you, huh?
Re: Re: Hyder was better than Tipu
by mahesh muliyala on Feb 05, 2014 11:47 AM
Nobody glorify Hyder.It is just a comarision b/n son and father.Hyder was cruiel but he was good armey commander,was stratagist and realist man.All these qualities are opposit with son.Tippu ordered his priminister poornayya to get converted but poornayya approched Tippu's mother and saved him self from conversion.If condition of his own PM is so emagine about common subjects.These arejust 200year old history with sufficent written evidences.No political parties needed to highlight this father and sons achivements.Only nutral intension need to study the facts.
All this is propaganda. Tipu fought the British but it was also because he wanted total control and there was a religious element in it too cos Brits were Christian. The forced conversions & violence in Malabar as also the violent, mass conversions in Coorg by some general of Tipu's are well known and documented. Lets not try to fictionalise history.
Re: Mysore invasion of Kerala
by Neeta S on Feb 04, 2014 07:10 PM
Rediff censors messages like as if forced convesrions didnt happen in India. Denying reality is why India is in this mess.
Re: Mysore invasion of Kerala
by Kathir Krishnamurthi on Feb 05, 2014 05:47 AM
You have to put a perspective that the so called Mathanda Koothandas, Maratha, Wodeyar, Kodiyar Peshwas sold themselves and the people to British by ganging up against Tippu. They will want history their way to hide their cowardice
Tipu is not the religious figure. Those who had gone through history of mysore and had actually studied it they know who is tipu. According to me he does not belong to any community but he is our National hero in 1782 who fought for freedom and to over throw British from india. The one man The TIGER OF MYSORE is the real freedom fighter. He didn't like to live life like slave that was done by Peshwa and Nizam. He is the real son of Land who fight for and died for his mother land. It is our pride that we are from the land of Tipu. Many salute to him and his struggle.
Re: Tiger of Mysore.
by Udayasimha on Feb 04, 2014 06:55 PM
It was not just the British it was an allied army comprising Nizam army, Maratha army, British army and the Malabar army..
Re: Tiger of Mysore.
by Kathir Krishnamurthi on Feb 05, 2014 05:50 AM
Theeran Sinnamalai (Hindu by todays view), a local chieftain in Tamil Nadu could defeat the British as he got help from Tipu... It is clear that Peshwas, Malabars and other so called Hindu kings colluded with the British were Tipu's enemies
