Mr. Masani is clearly confused after living in England for so long.
English is the language of a small set of elite in India who unfortunately continue to rule over India. There is no reason for everyone to know English in India except that being a colony our systems were in English and the continuity after 1947 required we continue working as colony of England in courts and in state assemblies. It was just the convenience at that time. It did most harm to India because it made our village and small town people in the second class citizen unfit for high paying government jobs.
Now because of domination of US, and other English speaking country English has become an international language. But most people live locally. If Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Germans can live and prosper without English so can Indians.
The real solution is India is promote local languages for all government work but also continue to teach English to all or those who want to learn.
Re: Mr. Masani is a confused man
by adam smith on Mar 20, 2013 02:20 PM
"The real solution is India is promote local languages..."
Which local language, Sir, can be promoted as a National language?
Are we ever Indians or Bharati?
We are Gujaratis, Tamils, Marathis, Panjabis, Haryanavis, and whatnots. We are NEVER Bharati.
The people you mentioned - Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Germans - speak one language (with different dialects perhaps) unlike us. Ask any of our brothers in our states if they will adopt - say for eg. - Hindi/Hindustani as the national language, and watch their responses.
We can't unite as ONE PEOPLE with ONE LANGUAGE, so English happens to be a language of unity for us.
Re: Re: Mr. Masani is a confused man
by n unnikrishnan on Mar 20, 2013 02:44 PM
boss China too have had many local languages, but they have streamlied to one universal language to communicate within the country. We could do this by making HINDI compulsory for official and in schools. But here there were no bold leaders and many of the politicians ( like kanurna ) were against such movements and even they were replying in tamil to the PM for protesting. So the problem is within us.
Re: Re: Re: Mr. Masani is a confused man
by riyfkm on Mar 21, 2013 01:39 AM
The problem is that if we give one language more importance then people speaking that language start abusing other language people.... for eg.. Hindi belt make fun of hindi accent of Nepali and South Indians... so that sows the seed for hatered...
Re: Mr. Masani is a confused man
by mahesh muliyala on Mar 20, 2013 10:08 AM
English as language is not a problem or that matter learning many languages will open up lot of opertunity.All over,every country has english as a subject. But in India Engilsh has become medium of instruction.That is the problem,that slowly will kill all local languages.
Re: Re: Mr. Masani is a confused man
by sam puzhakkal on Mar 21, 2013 04:52 AM
Sorry, English does NOT kill local languages. HIndi is the culprit that kills local languages. Punjabi, Marathi, Gujarati are prime targets for destruction by Hindi.
I am glad south Indian languages have recognized this cancer called Hindi long ago, and took on measures to detoxify their language from the bad effects of Hindi.
Re: Mr. Masani is a confused man
by Dev on Mar 20, 2013 10:43 AM
in sino countries,the language of science and innovation is still in local language. korea now taken over as mobile phone leader . so with their language they have got to top already. they will have no real need to learn english now.because they look like they will lead for long time with china taking over .. the tech baton has been handed over. ( for business reasons they still have to learn english but not for anything else)
its good to have 2 languages..must be good in mother tongue and english. having state language is good,bcos it will give you advantages.the mentality and attitude will help.everything anglo is not good.
btw what is USA culture? almost hijacked by afro-americans.it was getting to point where song words were totally african sounding! we could even have a sino language due to tech shift to asia so dont bet all your cards on english language.
Re: language
by sam puzhakkal on Mar 21, 2013 04:54 AM
'btw what is USA culture? almost hijacked by afro-americans.it was getting to point where song words were totally african sounding!'
Dude you seem to think that rap is the only music in the USA. Country music for instance is in normal English, just as several other genres of music are. Stop making ridiculous generalizations.
Re: my question
by GeeKrishnan on Mar 20, 2013 09:59 AM
Even though English is a poor language due to spelling and pronunciation is different and many other deficiencies, due to Internet and availablity of many books reg latest technology, English has become inevitable even though English does not deserve that status. Hindi belt people should acknowledge this. That is good for them. NO WAY. Krishnan G
Re: my question
by GeeKrishnan on Mar 20, 2013 10:06 AM
Son of Minu Masani says concept of India is modern concept. please do not identify a Nation with that of political authority. Nation is bound by a culture and common respectful forefathers and Heros. Bharat exists 5,000 or 10,000 years back. Dont brag about your tiny knowledge Krishnan G
Re: my question
by Dev on Mar 20, 2013 10:15 AM
the role model for real indianness (in look and attitude) is also changing earlier types are shatrughan sinha, kapil dev, gundappa vishwanath..now maybe vish anand,m&a ambanis,
Re: Re: my question
by sam puzhakkal on Mar 21, 2013 04:58 AM
did not know that 'Shatrughan Sinha' was the symboal of 'REAL Indianness'. Or for that matter Kapil and Vishwanath.
One is an actor, others cricketers. What has that got to do with REAL INDIANNESS.
Did Kapil and Vishwanath play cricket like Gulli Danda to show real Indian ness?
What did Shatrughan do to prove REAL Indianness.
what is REAL indianness and UNREAL indianness. Please spread your precious knowledge on this subject. Thanks.
english language is shame for indians by
hemant yewale on Mar 20, 2013 08:16 AM | Hide replies | Hide message
please think before communicate, we indians not feeling english is our own language, but it become requirement because, indian political system, and business class has supported english. in entire world you will see only india is the country which is highly dependent on foreign language. It is shame on us, that we have Sanskrit which is world's best language, which is mother of entire world's language, and we have neglected it. Look at china, Russia, Japan and other countries. all these countries adapted their own language in system, not English language, and these countries are more developed countries than india.
Re: english language is shame for indians
by ramakant on Mar 20, 2013 08:48 AM
please send your kids to non-english school. It will reduce competition for others.
Re: english language is shame for indians
by rohit narain on Mar 20, 2013 09:39 AM
who has stopped u frm embracing sanskrit or for that matter any other language !!
Re: english language is shame for indians
by rajesh on Mar 20, 2013 09:50 AM
teach all your relative sanskrut and they will wander here and there for job. English gives job and bread. give up your obsolete though. can you translate all medical books or engg book into any of your language. will you get job in BPO?
Re: Re: english language is shame for indians
by mahesh muliyala on Mar 20, 2013 09:59 AM
What you want to suggest? do Japanise,chines,Germans,French,Spanish don't have medicinal and Enginnering subject on thier curriculam? or are they learn it in English? Don't say Samskrit don't fetch bread.There are Yoga,Ayurveda courses which have lot of demand, even from middle esat and USA.
Re: Re: Re: english language is shame for indians
by sam puzhakkal on Mar 21, 2013 05:02 AM
Dude those yoga and ayurveda courses are in the local languages of India, in addition to in English. NOT in Sanskrit.
How many people do you know who speak in Sanskrit. That language was spoken a 1000 years ago. Time to get into the real world.
Are you suggesting that we now discontinue English language education in India and start Sanskrit medium education.
Re: Re: Re: Re: english language is shame for indians
by mahesh muliyala on Mar 22, 2013 10:00 AM
When you condem other one should take a little time to look into facts. In morder medicine most of the worlds are derived from latin like that in Ayurveda and yoga all basic books are in Samskrit.with out ready which you can not master on the subject. Indian were way ahead in mathmetics even before 1500 years, were was Engilsh then It not born even.That time Samskrit was medium of eduction. So for just your fancy don't write non sense with out studying subject.
Everybody want to Kill English in India...!! by
pads patil on Mar 20, 2013 08:10 AM | Hide replies | Hide message
Not everybody want to speak, It Everybody want to Kill English with south Indian Accent. Like what is whhaata, one is oneaa, hello is helloa siraa..What the Duck..!!
Re: Everybody want to Kill English in India...!!
by ramakant on Mar 20, 2013 08:47 AM
you mean what the duckaa..?
Re: Everybody want to Kill English in India...!!
by sam puzhakkal on Mar 21, 2013 05:06 AM
Bhaat ijh thijh jhu aar ishpeaking about shouth indian ekjhent. Bhaat phor you ishpeaking in this phorum?
Bhy naat jhu playing kirkat and bhaatching hindi phillum instead. jhyurself myself insulting? Jhyu mayabhati ishtachu bhorshipper!
For a diverse country like India, English is the language of convergence. The alphabets and grammer are similar in pattern to Indian languages. It also provides itself to be a great tool for global unification alongwith internet and high technology. A 2-language system, English and one's mother tongue is the solution for the Great Global Convergence. It can also solve the problem of SL Tamils & Sinhalas.
No one can talk against the use of English languages in India, because if you believe so, you should not be posting your opinion here because you are posting it in ENGLISH!!! So all you hypocrites (who post/abuse) against English, you are just that, HYPOCRITES!!
English is the easier language to learn, and is a very pleasing language to listen to. Nothing wrong in it being the 'world language'. It should soon be called India's official language so that more Indians learn English, and advance themselves in their lives. Communication in English is crucial to their success in careers.
Re: NO ONE!!
by Abhik RayChaudhury on Mar 20, 2013 05:22 AM
The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans speak horrible english and there are as many dialects in their languages as in Indian languages. They are not crazy about english either. I think they are more developed by all standard than Indians are. You may not be a hypocrite, but probably pass as being just dumb.
Re: Re: NO ONE!!
by riyfkm on Mar 20, 2013 05:58 AM
Well they are learning English... besides they became developed and started wearing western cloths, using everything west... LOLz
Re: Re: Re: Re: NO ONE!!
by hemant yewale on Mar 20, 2013 08:20 AM
entire world is using Zero which is invented by us. entire world is doing yoga, which is invented by us. There many things are invented by us, which is accepted by world, then if you use allopathy, or any english technology then what's problem
Re: Re: NO ONE!!
by santhosh rai on Mar 20, 2013 07:03 AM
but they use english on their products. toyota in english and hyundai in english. some of them may not know english but definately are looking forward to learn.it is not a prejudice if you accept english's doninance.they speak horrible english itself says that they are trying even if tey can't speak well.
Re: NO ONE!!
by bharat on Mar 20, 2013 07:22 AM
It's just another language that has roots in Sanskrit..many people learn it for job prospect in India and abroad...As china rise in power, many will speak Chinese for obvious economic reason..
Re: NO ONE!!
by bharat on Mar 20, 2013 07:26 AM
Very same economic reason...Bollywood movies have Urdu dialogue and Khan heroes...Most of the movies are marketed for 2nd largest Muslim population in the world I.e. Indian Muslim and Mideast counteries
Today it is a matter of shame for all Indians that even though 6 of their languages are amongst the top 12 languages of the world wrt to the no. of speakers, but no Indian language is accepted in the official languages of the UN. Language like Arabic, which has less speakers than atleast 4 Indian languages is an official language of the UN but not any Indian Language..
Kudos to Atal Bihari Vajpayee who had the courage to address the UN general assembly in Hindi in the 70's when India was not even an economic power that it is today..
Shame on the Khandaani politics of one party which regularly sends its prodigies to top British universities only to fare poorly in academics..
Re: This is similar to the White Man's burder propoganda....
by bharat on Mar 20, 2013 07:29 AM
Indians have been programmed to believed that their problems are personal....Politician are elected so that they can lead Princely pleasures...while rest rot in hell...
Re: This is similar to the White Man's burder propoganda....
by sam puzhakkal on Mar 21, 2013 05:29 AM
Dude you need to unlearn a lot of fallacies that have taken root in your head.
'India is an economic power'. This is a big myth. India is a big MARKET for an economic power. It is a big market because it has over 1 billion mouths to feed. Simple as that.
That aside, it is one of the poorest nations on earth. And one of the most underdeveloped.
Next, I dont understand what COURAGE is needed to speak in any language in the UN. Those addressing the UN General Assembly have spoken in a wide array of languages...before and after Vajpayee spoke in Hindi. You can trust Indian media to make every non event into 'BREAKING NEWS'.
This non event of AB Vajpayee speaking in Hindi was one such hyped up nonsense from the Indian Media.
You are talking of the 'courage' to address the UN general assembly in Hindi as if the punishment for doing so was immediate beheading. Simply not true.
Delegates who speak in a language other than the six official languages of the UN, are to provide translations of the text of their speech before the speech to the UN. This is routinely done whenever speakers use a language other than the official languages of the UN.
So, no courage required to speak in Hindi or Bhojpuri or Ugandan or Ethiopian or any tribal language in the UN. Just bring translations of your Hindi or Ugandan speech in one of the official UN language. Then feel free to let loose in Ugandan, Somalian, Bhojpuri, or Hindi to your hearts content. People will shut their ears anyway.
Re: This is similar to the White Man's burder propoganda....
by sam puzhakkal on Mar 21, 2013 05:29 AM
Dude you need to unlearn a lot of fallacies that have taken root in your head.
'India is an economic power'. This is a big myth. India is a big MARKET for an economic power. It is a big market because it has over 1 billion mouths to feed. Simple as that.
That aside, it is one of the poorest nations on earth. And one of the most underdeveloped.
Next, I dont understand what COURAGE is needed to speak in any language in the UN. Those addressing the UN General Assembly have spoken in a wide array of languages...before and after Vajpayee spoke in Hindi. You can trust Indian media to make every non event into 'BREAKING NEWS'.
This non event of AB Vajpayee speaking in Hindi was one such hyped up nonsense from the Indian Media.
You are talking of the 'courage' to address the UN general assembly in Hindi as if the punishment for doing so was immediate beheading. Simply not true.
Delegates who speak in a language other than the six official languages of the UN, are to provide translations of the text of their speech before the speech to the UN. This is routinely done whenever speakers use a language other than the official languages of the UN.
So, no courage required to speak in Hindi or Bhojpuri or Ugandan or Ethiopian or any tribal language in the UN. Just bring translations of your Hindi or Ugandan speech in one of the official UN language. Then feel free to let loose in Ugandan, Somalian, Bhojpuri, or Hindi to your hearts content. People will shut their ears anyway.
