It is sad that you totally failed to understand the psychology of Gen VK Singh. That is because you too are part of the 'system' that is so corrupt that it is well neigh impossible to redeem it.
Gen VK Singh tried to clean up only to realise that those who benefit by this 'system' are dons who are far too united and would go to any extent to allow any change that would stop them from looting the country outright and shamelessly.
it needs no intelligence to define the players who run this system - it is the babus, the media and the politicians. The arms lobby and the drug lords complete the system.
Gen VK Singh, as a 'problem' started when Gen JJ Singh tried (and unfortunately succeeded) to cut short his tenure to install a COAS who was from his community and close to those 'running' the system. Gen VK Singh was obviously seen as a man who would not permit corruption to succeed in the army he headed. So he had to be booted out the soonest.
That you, denounce a General wgo had the guts to take on the system is quite understandable - as the media is as much a beneficiary of the loot as any one - judiciary included - as is evident from what Shri Lodha ji advised Gen VK Singh - 'Blow with the Wind '.
I sympathise with the likes of you, Mr Ajai Shukla - only God will deliver the right justice to you all - no human can ! You all are traitors of this nation - one needs no Al Qaida or Pakistan with enemies of the nation like you around.
Re: pity you Ajai !
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:46 PM
The best place for VK Singh is where you Mentioned in your last line Alqaida or Pakisthan.
All of sudden the crusade against corruption started when Supreme court rejected his petition for extension.
Re: Re: pity you Ajai !
by Bhupendra Singh on May 29, 2012 06:22 PM
You too deserve a place in harem of Talibanis.Who knows you are one of them only?....You belong to tribe who can sell their country like Kongis. I fuklkly agree with Yati Panwar.
Re: Re: Re: pity you Ajai !
by Bhupendra Singh on May 29, 2012 06:24 PM
Bhupendra Singh (View MyPage) on May 29, 2012 06:22 PM You too deserve a place in harem of Talibanis.Who knows you are one of them only?....You belong to tribe who can sell their country like Kongis. I fully agree with Yati Panwar.
The author has only added fuel to fire by this Caption. The general's tenure has NOT been tainted. Others have ensured that the generals have divided, which is what they want also. Else, if the army is united and they stage an improbable coup, what will happen to all these politicians and bureaucrats who have manipulated and worked overtime for his removal?
Dear friends, the allegation that "Raj Karega Khalsa" has stuck and is difficult to remove even if the allegation is baseless. Sad indeed for the nation ruled by the bunch of thugs who have sold the nation's pride to further their own ends.
Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his successor?
by Soundararajan R on May 29, 2012 05:24 PM
I agree with you Hundred per cent. The author has not done any good thing by this article.The authors credit is reduced in my books.
Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his successor?
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:33 PM
He has gone in depth.Even about the second writ filed by retired head of forces,which was out rightly rejected by supreme court
Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his successor?
by Himanshu c on May 29, 2012 05:24 PM
True to the core... These politicians don't want to have united army and civilians else they would be thrown out of power.. At least this general VK Singh had guts to talk about it and taught them a good lesson.. Today there doesn't seem any other Indian more patriotic then VK Singh who fought against the evils till the last minute and breath.
Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his successor?
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:32 PM
General VK Singh got Guts only after supreme court rejected his petition?
Re: Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his success
by Himanshu c on May 29, 2012 05:45 PM
Sukhna land scam and Adarsh land scam culprits were caught in 2010-11(much before you presume) because of the will power of General VK Singh.. The sympathizers of Arm's lobbyist crooks up story there way , but they don't know that India public had awakened and strengthen the support for likes of Anna hazare and VK Singh.. Beware Corrupt babus and boot lickers of corrupt system...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his suc
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 07:15 PM
Why only ukhna land scam and Adarsh land scam?
Give him the credit for Kargil victory,1971 victory,Operation Blue star etc.
Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his successor?
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:30 PM
Dont talk Childish. Have you seen how military rule helped our Neighboring countries like Pak,Bangla and Burma?They are more corrupt than political leaders.
Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his successor?
by turthful on May 29, 2012 05:38 PM
@ Sushama SwayamBhogRaj = so you means to say we have to bear these filthy morons like by you forever.
Re: Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his success
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:48 PM
You are also bearing this morons,not only me.That is the state of third world countries.But dont dream about a Military rule.
Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his successor?
by DrYNI Anand on May 29, 2012 05:39 PM
Hi Sushamaji,
I am NOT promoting nor do I want any army rule in India. It will never happen as long as these sick minded politicians & bureaucrats rule the roost. You are right though in saying about our neighbor's military. After all, army men are also human beings and are vulnerable. The only consolation is that being infants in the game or corruption (most of them), to take roots they will take a long time.
Anyway, I hope that we will never see such a day. Let the army fight war with others and politicians & bureaucrats loot the country.
Re: Re: Re: Will Gen V K Singh's tainted tenure haunt his success
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:52 PM
The only consolation is that being infants in the game or corruption
These military people are more brilliant and intelligent than politicians & bureaucrats by yards and miles.So dont dream
General VK singh should have taken over the reins of the Govt by carrying out a coup. In the name of democracy bands of robbers are ruling us. I urge the future general to carry out a coup and throw our current system into a dust bin box
Re: Throw parliamentary democracy into a dustbin box
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:27 PM
Have you seen how military rule helped our Neighboring countries like Pak,Bangla and Burma?They are more corrupt than political leaders.
Re: Gen VK could been matured
by apurva singh on May 29, 2012 05:18 PM
and what did previous chiefs like d kapoor and n c vij and j j singh do?? join the bandwagon and loot!! v k singh is truly a great man. to clean the system, you hve to shake things. only the thieves like you VB S will be upset.
Re: Re: Gen VK could been matured
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 05:25 PM
Lot of things happens inside Forces,No one,how upright he will be,doesnt go to national Media and cry before it
Re: Gen VK could been matured
by Himanshu c on May 29, 2012 05:28 PM
Deepak Kapoor had flat in tainted Adarsh scam building which was meant for war widows.. Most of the guys seating at helm are helpless since the there top commander is corrupt..
Even if Gen Singh’s methods were somewhat over-the-top, his intentions in going after corruption were unimpeachable. And in his defence, he perhaps had to go over the top because of the level of entrenchment within the Army and the bureaucracy.
Re: What taint?
by Himanshu c on May 29, 2012 03:58 PM
Just some sections of media who created false coup story by getting sold in the hands of Arm's lobbyist to defame honest citizens.. These are the same media people who defamed anti -corruption movement in India... These media guys are no lesser than pakistanis..
What is being done to strengthen our armed forces, who it seems have less ammunition or something of that sort as per some letter that was leaked.
Some infantiles are insinuating that Pakistan came to know about this shortage of ammunition with the Indian Army, I can only smile, benignly. It is hard to believe that our enemies are so incompetent that they do not have any information about us at all. Remember, we can underestimate an enemy only at our peril.
Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Frodo Baggins on May 29, 2012 02:40 PM
your smile is benign as you have become toothless , senile and garrulous with extreme old age.
While it is the job of the enemy to collect info about our Army, it is definitely not the business of our army chief to give sensitive information to the enemy.
If you want more personal insults , we can stop disciussion of vks for some time ..I am ready
Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:49 PM
@ Frodo Baggins, your readiness to dispense personal insults in lieu of rational argument renders your own declaration redundant.
Garrulity sits ill with benignity, you may want to make up your mind.
The wishing away of an unpleasant truth, does not make the truth disappear. Similarly, keeping quiet on an issue of gargantuan national security importance, like the availability or lack thereof of ammunition for our army, does not make the situation go away.
I would always prefer, that we the citizens are aware of such serious issues, especially in a democracy, so that our government is motivated to take quick, remedial action, rather the issue is kept in the dark for the general Indian public, and our enemy, as you rightly say, perform their job of collecting information about our Army.
Perhaps, beneath the cloak of patriotism, worn by your goodself, there lies another persona. One which would prefer that any sensitive information about the Indian army is known only to the Pakistani spies and not to the lay Indian public.
I hope I am wrong, but one will never know for sure.
Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 03:00 PM
Have Minimum Common sense,The defense matters are not discussed in public forum or TV Channels.There is PAC and other Parliamentary forum,he can raise genuine concerns about forces.MPs and Ministers are working under oath.Not Journalists and Tv Channels.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 03:04 PM
Firstly I was not aware that the good General had infact, NOT raised the issue with the competent authorities, before the letter leaked out. This is indeed terrible, you mean to say the PM or DM (Defence Minister) was not even aware of this situation?
Secondly, I was also not aware that the good General had leaked out the letter. I wonder why the CBI is not pursuing him in such event, is it again the famous 'decency' at work.
BTW, should 'Minimum Common Sense' be had with chilled milk or water? Don't bother answering, that's just an attempt at frivolity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 03:14 PM
PAC is head is always a member from Main Opposition party,This honest general can have discussed in that forum,or even parliamentary consultative committee of defense.Why he didnt used that proper forum?
May be CBI is waiting for his retirement.To avoid total chaos in army.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 03:20 PM
You mean like CBI was waiting for Jagan Mohan Reddy to revolt against the Congress high command before getting into the act against him, to avoid 'total chaos' in Hyderabad?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 03:30 PM
We are talking about COAS VK Sing,Not about Jagan Reddy.Ysterday only your BJP was supporting Jagan Reddy in National TV.
Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 03:07 PM
@ Frodo Baggins, when you said "...I am ready", I did not realize you meant, I am ready to turn tail.
Well, I cannot wait forever for you to get a grip, so goodbye.
Now that you are aware that I am getting into something else, do feel free to abuse me behind my back, secure in your illusion, that you won't get a rebuttal.
Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 02:53 PM
India started purchasing Tatra Trucks from the time of United front Government under IK Gujral,Was BJP sleeping when the ruled for 6 years? Just like the y slept over Black Money,Bofors,Lokpal etc etc?
Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 03:00 PM
Perhaps, the BJP was sleeping, though it is a question best answered by BJP and not by myself.
At the moment though, since we are all awake, maybe we can start asking some questions about why we are overpaying for Tatra Trucks?
I like your point about Tatra Trucks being purchased from a long time, we should immediately try to recover the old monies lost thereby.
Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 03:05 PM
We are not competent discuss Tatra Trucks.Only this General was concerned about the inefficiency of these trucks,when his petition was rejected by Supreme court.Then he was doing grave injustice his own position for the last 18 months when he was COAS.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 03:17 PM
Speak for yourself, I find myself competent.
Anyway, answer me a couple of questions which I am sure, even you are competent enough to address:
What would you have preferred that the good General expose the Tatra Trucks issue as soon as he came to know about it, meaning the time when he informed the Defence Minister or he kept quiet about the whole thing, letting the status quo continue?
Secondly, now that Tatra is out in the open, what are the 'Decent' ones going to do?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 03:27 PM
If you are comptetant,tell about the fuel capacity,mileage etc etc of this Truck?.What are the parts imported for this truck? This Decent General was hurt about status quo only after his petition was rejected by Supreme court?.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 04:46 PM
Fuel tank capacity, mileage, blah, blah, blah, even here, you cannot think beyond, 'Kitna Deti Hain?', this is a Tatra Truck you know, not a 25 KMPL zuper hatchback from Gentatukidaimotors.
Don't discombobulate yourself, the Tatra Truck is a simple, manufactured, off the shelf product. There may be some variations (which you can get even if you buy a One Off high end sedan for example) made for a bulk repeat buyer like the Indian Army, that's all. So to compare prices, just compare the price of the Truck in the international market Vs the price paid by the Indian Tax Payers, through the Ministry of Defence. This is very similar to the Treadmills purchased by the CWG committee, at the cost of the Indian Tax Payers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 07:20 PM
Hahhahahahahha.You must have been a fiction writer.All the best..
Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Himanshu c on May 29, 2012 04:00 PM
Tatra scam is waiting to be put in cold storage when Vk Singh would be retiring in some days from now, so that corrupt dalals in ministry and army can have there bread and butter by kickbacks and commissions.. God save our country and army.
Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Frodo Baggins on May 29, 2012 04:05 PM
Sorry AI was busy with your grand dotters ...they did admit dadaji tries to molesst them when they visit you at the old age home
Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 04:29 PM
@ Frodo Baggins, Ah! Another realization for me, when you said "...If you want more personal insults , we can stop disciussion of vks for some time ..I am ready", not only did I not realize you meant, that you were ready to turn tail and run for your life, for want of a single cohesive argument on your part, but rather that you would return to insult, YOURSELF & your upbringing, by laying bare your deepest thoughts on a public forum.
I am truly amazed at your ability for self flagellation!
Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 04:48 PM
Some times you Sanghis get your own medicine back,Personel Abusing.Now sit back and enjoy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 05:29 PM
Very obviously & self evidently, my above message has surpassed your present state of comprehension. Allow me to simplify, which in modern jargon is called, dumb it down:
I said that Frodo Baggins, poor chap, rather than abusing the author of this riposte (loosely - reply) has actually laid bare his very low standards by insinuating things like pedophilia (child molestation for you) etc. Please tell me, who can think of such things in ordinary conversation and debate? Obviously people who either have faced such unfortunate things themselves in their earlier years, or have & continue to indulge in such things, perhaps both earlier a victim and now a perpetrator, or perhaps someone who fantasizes about these things? In any case, it reflects and indeed very poorly at that, on Frodo Baggins upbringing rather than anything on myself.
Hence, I expressed my surprise at Frodo Baggin's capacity for self flagellation (loosely whipping / insulting himself).
Hence, yes it is a personal abuse, but rather unique in that a poster is abusing himself rather than others.
I unfortunately have not been brought up to enjoy misery, even if it be of others and brought on by the behaviour of the same such others.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Frodo Baggins on May 29, 2012 05:35 PM
AI being a good grand dad dont treouble those grand dotters and male nurses at your old age home.
Will come back tomorrow to inform you about your grand dotters peerformance ...hope they are good
Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Frodo Baggins on May 29, 2012 05:32 PM
AI the male nurses were also complaining about youy said you havew marked preference for them and they dont even like to come near you for fear of being grroped
Re: Re: Re: Re: Excellent points raised by the good General
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 06:06 PM
So you persist in humiliating yourself, by behaving like a madman. Perhaps, there is more to it than meets the eye.
Please allow me to inform you that there is advanced counselling available nowadays for different kinds of mental illnesses. I have not had any personal experience, but am aware of the same, like I have not yet climbed the Himalayas but am aware of their existence.
one of them is whether a supposed commitment given by Gen. Singh to his the then Army Chief about his Date of Birth ( get his promotion cleared), should be taken as legitimate and conclusive proof of DoB? If that is so, can a High Court Judge be asked by his CJI to agree for a certain DoB before he is cleared for SC Judgeship, irrespectrive of any document or certificate? If that is so, as SC appears to believe/agree, it is sure to creat havoc with fauj, bureaucracy and judiciary, ( parliaments have no age of retirement). As far as Gen Bikram Singh is concerned. He may be an efficient soldier. He need not speak as entire Govt. SC and media is doing the talking on his behalf. I can only hope that he does not turn out to be another Gen. Deepak Kapoor ( Auther of Tent Scam, Petrol Scam, Ratuion Scam as Army Commndr Northern Command) and Gen Vij ( Adarsh Housing scam). We too had our share of black sheeps as Generals. Ajay, I will expect that you conclusive discuss the issue of legitimacy of ceratin commitment over documentary proof of DoB.
While he was giving interviews to those upstart journos like arnob he was constantly squirming as if his rear was hurting ...the result of the spanking the SC had down to him when he fought against the Government of India.
Re: Did you notice
by K Mohanan on May 29, 2012 02:24 PM
Since the Prime Minister and Defence Minister are broadminded and gentlemen, he was not thrown out for trying to make the Indian Army a laughing stock.
Re: Re: Did you notice
by Frodo Baggins on May 29, 2012 02:26 PM
you are right ..here the bjp would have handled him better like the admiral they threw out for questioning the govt.
Still I feel all is not lost ..the govt will make an example of this upstart vks ..so that nobody repeats this sort of behaviour in the Indian Army
Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:39 PM
So basically you agree with the uncivilized behaviour of the BJP while supporting the attempts to not quickly bring to justice the perpetrators of corruption as practiced by Congress.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:40 PM
@ Frodo Baggins, So basically you agree with the uncivilized behaviour of the BJP while supporting the attempts to not quickly bring to justice the perpetrators of corruption as practiced by Congress.
Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by dev singh on May 29, 2012 02:56 PM
I think, the first option should be to disarm the army. Who knows they will end up killing so called honest politicians.
Re: Re: Did you notice
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 02:27 PM
Not Like extra Decent Gentlemen Vajpayee and Geroge Ferandes who booted out out Ad.Vishnu Bhagat.
Re: Re: Did you notice
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:42 PM
@ K Mohanan, In the history of human civilization, it is difficult to find another person as broad minded as our beloved Prime Minister. Indeed, he is so broad minded that he did not take any action against the Minister for Telecom, when the latter blatantly disregarded the PM's advise.
Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 02:45 PM
It was corruption,Not mass murder which happened in 2002 in Gujrat,when prime minister was crying about Raj dharama in air force plane.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:57 PM
As opposed to the spontaneous outpouring of grief witnessed in 1984, where the PM select or elect, dispensed knowledge about the corelation between earthquakes (earth shaking) & fall of trees?
BTW, Vajpayee's condonment of Narendra Modi in the aftermath of Gujarat was a shameful episode in Indian history.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:59 PM
BTW, Vajpayee's condonment of Narendra Modi in the aftermath of Gujarat was a shameful episode in Indian history = BTW, Vajpayee's inaction in the aftermath of Gujarat was a shameful episode in Indian history.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 03:44 PM
When it happened,there was no government at all in Delhi.Can you Assure even 25 years after 1985,if some thing happen to Advani or Modi,your cadres will respect the law?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by ValiantSoldier on May 31, 2012 03:03 AM
SO, WERE YOU ONE OF THE GROUP, WHICH FIRST LOCKED UP AND, THEN SET FIRE TO THAT TRAIN WITH 60-ODD WOMEN&KIDS, ALL INCIDENTALLY HINDUS? OR DO YOU CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE AND PROMOTE THE SAID GROUP?
Re: Re: Did you notice
by apurva singh on May 29, 2012 05:17 PM
and what did previous chiefs like d kapoor and n c vij and j j singh do?? join the bandwagon and loot!! v k singh is truly a great man. to clean the system, you hve to shake things. only the thieves like you mohanan will be upset.
Re: Did you notice
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:38 PM
First and foremost, how can ANYONE apart from Barkha "Radia Gate" Dutt, dare to interview anyone at all on Indian media?
Re: Re: Did you notice
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 29, 2012 02:43 PM
Why are going after Barka and Sagaraika,We are discussing about VK Sing and His adventures.
Re: Re: Re: Did you notice
by Argumentative Indian on May 29, 2012 02:57 PM
Because someone mentioned about an 'upstart' journalist interviewing the good General.
Re: Re: Did you notice
by Frodo Baggins on May 29, 2012 02:45 PM
Bakri Buttt has crossed the lines many time...she was a part of the pakistani terrorit team of 26/11 giving precise information to the handlers from spot where the attack took place
