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Why civil-military conflict is GOOD for India


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premshanker gupta
Twisting the real issue
by premshanker gupta on Apr 04, 2012 10:50 AM  | Hide replies

The real issue is awsome lack of arms and ammunition in the Military in the face India being the biggest purchaser of arms in the world. The question arises where these arms have gone and if what Gen VK Singh says is true ( there is no reason to disbelieve a man, known for his integrity and honesty) that 97% of equipments are obsolete and useless, does not it mean that obsolete and scrap
arms were purchased and obviously it implies a lot of illegal commission would have been taken by the corrupt lots at the cost of the nation.
This is the real issue, which has got to be examined very closely and honestly and corrective action taken forthwith.
We have seen a plethora of most heinous corruptions unfolding almost every day in all spheres of Govt. dealings, and, therefore, it is not surprising and it cannot be ruled out that Military purchases have been badly targeted by the corrupt lots. And this apprehension gets strength from the fact that Tatra trucks, which are alleged to be sub-standard, were purchased at almost double the stated reasonable cost by involving an Agent, instead of buying directly from the manufacturers.
The fact, going by Gen VK Singh's letter, remains that our Military has been weakened, and the person responsible for the same must be treated as TRAITOR and punished ruthlessly. And any attempt to twist the real issue and suppress the fact, need be viewed seriously as an anti-national act.


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Debasish Sarkar
Re: Twisting the real issue
by Debasish Sarkar on Apr 04, 2012 08:14 PM
I do agree with you whole heartedly.truly I am going to ask honourable DM, Why he is sloppy and inactive? Antony's laissez-fair progress in dealing with minlitary estublishment is unacceptable.Here, the question of national security is paramount and absolute. Dr.S.Dasgupta's assertion here in this context is irrelevant.

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narinder singh
Re: Twisting the real issue
by narinder singh on Apr 05, 2012 07:36 PM
The real problem is supremacy of bureaucray in India. Long back the army had good connection with political top. I know how Maneckshaw talked to Prime Minister and Home minister. Now the secretary of the Ministery and his babus rule. The army chief must recover his position as direct communcator to the top political bosses. The matters concerning arfmy should not be left to the babus to decide but the chief and the Minister. This is the real issue and civil babus are depricating the honest chief

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premshanker gupta
Twisting the real issue
by premshanker gupta on Apr 04, 2012 10:47 AM  | Hide replies

The real issue is awsome lack of arms and ammunition in the Military in the face India being the biggest purchaser of arms in the world. The question arises where these arms have gone and if what Gen VK Singh says is true ( there is reason to disbelieve a man, known for his integrity and honesty) that 97% of equipments are obsolete and useless, does not it mean that obsolete and scrap
arms were purchased and obviously it implies a lot of illegal commission would have been taken by the corrupt lots at the cost of the nation.
This is the real issue, which has got to be examined very closely and honestly and corrective action taken forthwith.
We have seen a plethora of most heinous corruptions unfolding almost every day in all spheres of Govt. dealings, and, therefore, it is not surprising and it cannot be ruled out that Military purchases have been badly targeted by the corrupt lots. And this apprehension gets stgrength from the fact that Tatra trucks, which are alleged to be sub-standard, were purchased at almost double the stated reasonable cost by involving an Agent, instead of buying diretly from the manufacturers.
The fact, going by Gen VK Singh's letter, remains that our Military has been weakened, and the person responsible for the same
must be treated as TRAITOR and punished ruthlessly. And any attempt to twist the real issue and suppress the fact, need be viewd seriously as an anti-national act.

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Manikantankurup
Re: Twisting the real issue
by Manikantankurup on Apr 04, 2012 01:53 PM
The military purchase connot be secret, but the mission is secret. The purchase involves indent from militry tender from defence ministry and financial saction from finace ministry. It is any body guess the complexity and loop holes available for froud by delays and arms twist. Involvement in full time by the clean minister like Mr, Antony with support of PM make changes and it shall be. We indians pay the tax for the same shall demand it.

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wizardo id
political class blind to reality
by wizardo id on Apr 04, 2012 10:23 AM

the political class are blind to reality, from rahul gandhi to mayawati, from yeddyurappa to jaya to karunanidhi, pawar and everyone else. left right and centre are oblivious to the rage against politicians. the mess that the country is in. this was supposed to be our sunshine period, like the baby boomers in USA. instead we are barely growing, we are like a leaky old machine, instead of steaming forth

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arungopal agarwal
Military Conflict
by arungopal agarwal on Apr 04, 2012 10:22 AM

Our system does not keep any margin of any coup in India at least. Very good system given by Britishers. But over the years, the position of Defence personnel is diluted by civilians, by way of upgrading their grades, retirement age etc.,etc., they have become Masters, there is a great need to retire all civil servants in particular class III and IV rank on army pattern, so that incapable, sick or incompetant do not get promotion for grade II and I position, youngis get chance to serve the country, lesser corruption. All problems in Govt. for common man is due to these rogues only.

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R Kumar
title is spot on!
by R Kumar on Apr 04, 2012 10:09 AM  | Hide replies

forget the substance in the article but the title is spot on. by bringing the conflict in public the Army chief has done biggest service to the country.

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ramesh sundaram
Re: title is spot on!
by ramesh sundaram on Apr 04, 2012 10:15 AM
india should be under militar rule for 5 years to get rid of these wicket politicians

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Abbas Rumani
Re: Re: title is spot on!
by Abbas Rumani on Apr 04, 2012 10:19 AM
India was under emergency rule(militry) for two years and We Indian are still crying about that period. Think before wishing Five year if military rule what will be the condition.
The biggest misconcept we have is in Army we have Saints where in Politic we have devils.


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wizardo id
Re: Re: Re: title is spot on!
by wizardo id on Apr 04, 2012 10:20 AM
Army has not messed with us, politicians HAVE.

that answers you point of army being saints and politicians being devils

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sachin menon
Re: title is spot on!
by sachin menon on Apr 04, 2012 10:22 AM
Air defence, means anti aircraft land based weapons baba, do your home work before writing articles on a public media

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Umashanker Kapoor
Re: title is spot on!
by Umashanker Kapoor on Apr 04, 2012 10:24 AM
the man shud be cort marshelled.

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Jena Bharati
The article is big on verbiose, and poor on technical deatails
by Jena Bharati on Apr 04, 2012 06:08 AM  | Hide replies

only warfighters can articulate, and it is time to frankly lay before the public as well when civil-political class is so corrupt.

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niladri mohanty
Re: The article is big on verbiose, and poor on technical deatail
by niladri mohanty on Apr 04, 2012 07:05 AM
I agree. The article lacks substance.

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absk absk
Re: Re: The article is big on verbiose, and poor on technical dea
by absk absk on Apr 04, 2012 10:08 AM
Agree.
Its like saying why an illness is good for someone. Sad state of mind of the writer as well as of many of us Indians.


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san man
Military Coup?
by san man on Apr 04, 2012 06:04 AM  | Hide replies

Author writes "With India no longer in danger of a military coup"

Uhh, when was India ever in danger of a military coup? Never.

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R Chakravarti
Re: Military Coup?
by R Chakravarti on Apr 04, 2012 07:55 AM
There was a perceived danger after independence and the govt was very careful to prevent it. Of course it may never have been there!

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Kajal Sethi
Why Coup'detat
by Kajal Sethi on Apr 03, 2012 10:20 PM  | Hide replies

Why coup'detat is good for India. Corrupt in the EC will never be kicked out otherwise. Imagine Navin Chawla, phoning congress when EC meeting was on and him calling congress from toil et! And then congress appoints him as Chief Election Commisioner!! And now EC trying to convince middle-east and african countries to use EVMS! Jokers of the century.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
Re: Why Coup'detat
by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on Apr 04, 2012 10:16 AM
That is your view.What the BJP stooge N Gopala Swamy(He was secretary to Advani)said in Public.What happened if Navin Chawla rebutted that,N.Gopalaswqamy was taking orders form Advani.The problem of BJP and Sanghis is that they get too much pro-active and spoil things.

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dwarak k
Conflict
by dwarak k on Apr 03, 2012 07:02 PM

The conflict between civil and military is good for neighbours but not for India.

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pramod gokhale
civil military conflict GOOD for India
by pramod gokhale on Apr 03, 2012 06:04 PM  | Hide replies

I think after victory in 1971 war ,we became complacent, so we need to be cautious
We can recover because of our broad based industrial base

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ramesh sundaram
Re: civil military conflict GOOD for India
by ramesh sundaram on Apr 04, 2012 10:16 AM
exactly

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