Re: @ Shan Baid
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 08:11 PM
thats why i advise u to do some home work.know about ur home before peeping into others.This 'facility' refers to all who 'qualify' for 'swarg'. elsewhere i have quoted 'punishment' for sinners ,the hell-dwellers.I have quoted from secular books n not controversial book or source.Ur hollowness is well-known but just wanted to give a glimpse of it. my point is proved n dont want to indulge into mud slinging -ur favorite past time. so issue closes from end.
Re: Re: If there is no heaven?
by abcd abcd on May 17, 2011 07:40 PM
Are they mermaids? IF so I can understand enjoying the upper half.. but the lower half is a fish!!! How does a human lower half enjoy a fish lower half?
Now i can understand that you just a Qualified Scientist. What you are telling right now is known to everyone. But you are not there to proof it. So this is a question where you never get an answer. Because there is belief of existence of life after death will remain there till the human life goes. No one can ever produce the proof of non existence. But people bound to belief if's existence because of human physcology. So, even your knowledge is limited to compare human mind is like computer. So, Then i can say i can manage to format human mind some day.
the debate here should not be whether there is life after death exist or not of whether there is hell or heaven exists or not!!!!
all the humans should understand that why the concept of hell and heaven is there ?? all the major faiths teaches this concept of heaven and hell all faith teaches that if you do good deeds, help poors, stay away from crimes and bad deeds u will get reward!!!!!
what is wrong if some human pray to an imaginary god and live all his life doing good deeds and not induldge in any crime!!!!!
now whether he will go to heaven or not but he will make one thing for sure and that is he will convey the message of peace!!!!!
so dont fight for whether god exists or not or whether u will get those rewards or not just live a good life
Re: Re: i think
by Cricket on May 17, 2011 07:05 PM
All the modern wars were fought by communists, leftists, atheists. They managed to kill more people than all the religious wars put together. Most of the religious wars were fought by Middle eastern based religions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: i think
by Cricket on May 17, 2011 08:01 PM
Since 1900, Chinese, Russian and other communist regimes have killed others and their own people. Vietnam did that too. America is not perfect...but far better than communist regimes.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: i think
by Cricket on May 17, 2011 09:30 PM
Communists are cults/relgious ppl without a God. They were spread over 50 countries and killed millions of people over a period of 80-90 years. They are leftist/athists. Like any relgious cult, the first thing they try to do is destroy local history/culture. Have u heard about atrocities committed by Communists during WW-II and WW-I? B'desh war was not a religious war.
Re: Re: i think
by G Venkatram on May 17, 2011 03:20 PM
Dear Mr. Hawkins... You have missed one basic fact and by missing it you have brought out a completely wrong argument. It is correct that Brain is like a Computer and 'it' has its last moments when it finally flickers. But... the point here is religious philosophy (particularly eastern religious philosophy which has understood the fundamentals of life more correctly than novices called theoretical physicists) deals with the energy which animates the 'Computer' or in this case human brain. It is definitely not a fact that Computer or brain has inherent energy by which it animates itself. It is not the case my dear friend. You physicists mislead people by statements like this. The primary purpose and Question of life and religion is to find the source of that animating energy which is altogether different from what you call brain/ mind etc. Unless and until you understand the fundamental truths of life, as do eastern religious saints, you will confuse yourself and will also confuse others. Laws of physics are completely inadequate to proceed beyond 'the Singularity' which physics so eloquently describes. You physicists find it irrelevant for physics to do so. However, the starting point of religious philosophy lies there. Because there lies the source of energy which created all and to that all return. This effectively answers questions of afterlife, hell, heaven etc. Request you to stop this rubbish.
Re: Re: Re: i think
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 05:07 PM
Venkat,I got the track till u talk of source of energy possibly calling it "God'. I also agree with u with some kind of energy ,force etc for all the mystical n fine details of creations all around. But I am not able to understand how it get placated by admirations,rituals etc. Secondly ,u could not link this energy with the concept of hell/heaven to which u just made passing remark.
Re: Re: Re: Re: i think
by G Venkatram on May 17, 2011 05:50 PM
We are discussing a deep concept over a forum. To keep it short it can be stated that the animating energy is different from matter i.e. brain/ computer, which obviously is. The moment we say this, we need to understand 'which' will continue to exist after death?? Whether the matter, which is animated? or the animating force itself. Science and Religion agrees that death brings to an end living matter and the living matter disintegrate into basic elements i.e. they decompose. The problem is, what is it that is ended by Death???? Obviously, we all know, death ends the matter which we see? Then, what happens to the energy??? That is the million dollar question. For answering this, we need to know the character of the energy which is animating us.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: i think
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 06:07 PM
Venkat,i know ,the subject is too vast. But just as u hinted energy something as God,I want u similarly refer in short about hell n heaven in terms of this 'energy' or immaterial form.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: i think
by G Venkatram on May 17, 2011 06:23 PM
The single line answer to the Question whether re-incarnation, afterlife etc actually exists lies in the answer to the Question: 'Why' is it that the animating energy is animating life??. This makes us face to face with the ultimate questions, why life? what is the purpose of life?. If we know that, we will be understanding the basic fact that, till the purpose is attained the animating energy will keep on animating living beings.
Re: Re: Re: i think
by Jai Babu on May 17, 2011 05:08 PM
Zubair-It is a fact that Is1am categorically states that, irrespective of a person's good deeds, honesty, kindness & charity, only Mus1ims will attain heaven while the non-believers will face the miseries of Hell! What you have spoken about is the concept of Dharma & Karma! No offense but that is the truth!
Dear Mr. Hawkins... You have missed one basic fact and by missing it you have brought out a completely wrong argument. It is correct that Brain is like a Computer and 'it' has its last moments when it finally flickers. But... the point here is religious philosophy (particularly eastern religious philosophy which has understood the fundamentals of life more correctly than novices called theoretical physicists) deals with the energy which animates the 'Computer' or in this case human brain. It is definitely not a fact that Computer or brain has inherent energy by which it animates itself. It is not the case my dear friend. You physicists mislead people by statements like this. The primary purpose and Question of life and religion is to find the source of that animating energy which is altogether different from what you call brain/ mind etc. Unless and until you understand the fundamental truths of life, as do eastern religious saints, you will confuse yourself and will also confuse others. Laws of physics are completely inadequate to proceed beyond 'the Singularity' which physics so eloquently describes. You physicists find it irrelevant for physics to do so. However, the starting point of religious philosophy lies there. Because there lies the source of energy which created all and to that all return. This effectively answers questions of afterlife, hell, heaven etc. Request you to stop this rubbish.
Re: Alllah'sFavourateDish
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 06:40 PM
Addressed specially to one-eyed santosh. just like in Abrahamic religions, hinduism has it this way "Chitragupta reads out the sins committed and Yama orders appropriate punishments to be given to individuals. These punishments include dipping in boiling oil, burning in fire, torture using various weapons, etc. in various Hells" Wish santosh has searched his own house before thrshing neighbor's home
Re: Re: Alllah'sFavourateDish
by Severus snape on May 17, 2011 07:05 PM
with due respect Mr.Shan...
but majority of present generation educated hindus really dont endorse that trash...
on the other hand Mslms seem to believe every thing blindly....with out even trying to reason out...
no hindu ever deny that there r evils like sati and caste in their religion...
but, why did u fail to see that evils r gradually eradicated in hindu religion and they dont mind seeing the evil as evil even if it is endorsed by their religion.
but, can you say the same about Mslms. however brutal, silly, unreasonable they never seem to accept the modification....
Re: Re: Re: Alllah'sFavourateDish
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 07:45 PM
Truely speaking I dont want to talk about specific religion.bcoz all religions r prone to same weakness n cannot single out bcoz u want to target some group. But santosh has been very selective n thats why i just wanted to show him the parallels. I agree with u that M society has not been able to cope with the demands of times n they r the only sufferers. there r people on this board who irrespective of the topic,issue pour in their venom whether it is relevant or not.I m not fond of religions n so treat them at par.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Alllah'sFavourateDish
by Severus snape on May 17, 2011 09:05 PM
again Mr. Shan!
what i want to say is by drawing parallels u r negating ur own argument.
both religions (in fact all religions) have same loop holes. but to support ones side one should take ones positive point not opponents negative point.
i found fault with Mr. Santosh's vehemence, but u found fault with logic which is actually sound.
Re: Re: Re: Alllah'sFavourateDish
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 08:18 PM
Did I justify any thing? I just wanted to draw a parallel among all religions.n just want people not to single out one religion or the other.rather u seem to be fond of blasting a single out 'alien' faiths n spill ur frustrations.unlike u, i dont want to repeat the same thing over n again. u should scroll all my postings
