Re: @ charlie brown
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 10:00 AM
War is permitted only when it is inevitable. The terrorism linked with these people speak volumes
Re: @ charlie brown
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 09:48 AM
The only indifference god allowed is between man and animals. But, man has started creating differneces amongst mankind itself in the name of caste/race/color/language etc.,
Re: Re: Re: @ charlie brown
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 09:53 AM
Well, we had people like Gandhi, martin luther king, Abi lincon, JFK, Nelson mandela, steve biko.... Denzel washington to highlight the indifferences
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ charlie brown
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 10:01 AM
Atheists are people who don't work on conscience. In fact there is no places for these fools in planet earth
The main area where modern physics and Quantum mechanics diverge is, if we go further below the atom. All these years until QM came great physicians thought every thing could be answered by 3 laws of Gravity. But with Heisenbug and Schrodienger came with their therory every thing fell flat. The so called electron was not a particle any more, that revolved in fix orbital. It was found that electron doesnt exist at a specified location. It actually exist every where at the same time. It exists in the form of a cloud and can be exists every where at once. It only comes into existence when an observer wants to see it. This is the observer effect.You will only see it (the thing comes into existence)if you want to see it, only then electron comes into existence.
Similarly its the thought in the mind which creates every thing. There should be a thought in the mind first, thought will create the energy and enery becomes the matter. This is exactly what is written in Genesis.
It is also proven that two seperated electron no matter how far they are, able to detect changes happening to its counter part, if one changes direction other is able to detect it. Probably this is how great sagesare able to manifest them selves at multiple places simultneously or exachange data using the telepathy etc.
Modern science until now believed matter is made up of atoms and atoms are intern made up of electron protons which gives mass.
Re: Quantum Mechanics
by nobel on May 18, 2011 01:45 AM
But atom as such is proven to be 99.9 % hollow.They couldnot explain where the mass comes from. They are still trying to find the so call God particle using the Hedron collider at CERN. But recently they all came tothe conlusion that every thing is made up of energy. The string theory is again being paid a second attention. This is exactly what is mentioned in Vendanta to written ages ago that all matter is made up of "Shabda", OM the vibration .
Is a fact that great quantum physiscts Neils bhor, Maxwell, Heisenberg, Erin Schroidinger, Openhiemer where are great proponents of Vedanta. They felt most of the unexplained phenomenaon in Quantum Mechanics could be explained from the Universal Conciousness phyilosophy.
Re: Re: Quantum Mechanics
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 08:32 AM
Ur scientific analysation is intresting. But, the underlying principle of vedanta is that we are all part of the divine the brahman, (the creator) is not accepted. Becoz rig veda differentiates a brahmin & a shudra. A special places is created for a brahmin and says that they come from the mouth of the creator whereas, shudra comes from his feet. This gave rise to the caste system and the indiscrimination associated with it. God cannot b so partial.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Quantum Mechanics
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 09:44 AM
In some places religion creates inequality like india. In some places white supremacy and racial injustice create inequality
Re: Quantum Mechanics
by nobel on May 18, 2011 10:19 AM
Dude you need to think this through open mind. Knowledge can only be gained if you are open anlayze it with you open mind.
A brahman is one who has received the brahma gyan. It is not a caste. But i agree ages ago there were brahmans who tried to keep this knowledge with in themselves. Just like the Church and catholics has tried to influence the common man to stay in power. Its politics buddy. Its been the case in every society. Dont mix science and religion together. Hinduism is not a religion. I personally hate religion. Vedanta was a science which was the basis of the Hindu phylosopy. Hindo is a geographical identity no a religions identity. All the rituals that you see and hear came after the Bakthi moment became popular and people living in India tried to differentiate them selves from the influence of other popular religions gainin importance and started converting the natives.
Re: Madhavacharya
by Power Cut on May 18, 2011 01:02 AM
And Carvakas' followers were there till Akbar's time when Akbar showed his middle finger to even the mighty Ottomon empire!!
But, that's history and nothing can be done about it and we shouldn't even waste our time on it.
Re: Madhavacharya
by Power Cut on May 18, 2011 12:51 AM
One of the proponents of Carvaka was Chanakya (who was not an atheist but took the philosophy of atheism for setting right the dharma). These sentences can be found in arthashastra otherwise Carvaka's entity would have been unknown!! Carvaka was himself a brahmin.
Check out even how Shankara threw out Carvakas philosophy through simple debate. I will explain that later.
Re: Re: Madhavacharya
by Power Cut on May 18, 2011 01:14 AM
I meant: Carvaka was himself a brahmin -> Carvaka was himself a brahmin TURNED ATHEIST
Adi Shankara beat his flowers through the 5 elements concept (fire, water, earth, wind and space) whereas Carvakas never believed in 5 elements but only 4 (minus space meaning spirits!!). So, Adi Shankara's only question to them was: "When you dont believe in space, how do you believe in prana (meaning breath)?"!!!!!! Crazy arguments!!
Re: Re: Re: Madhavacharya
by Lord Prosperity on May 18, 2011 01:26 AM
Interesting one, power cut. Indian philosophy is so subtle and beyond the understandiong of normal folk that it is usually not taken up as it is too much for a normal brain. People will rather watch a movie with some monkey dances than exercise some grey matter - which even i do :-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Madhavacharya
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 08:49 AM
It is not beyond the understanding of normal folk. It is very simple, and the biggest mistake u guys r committing is that wisdom is not from fire, water, earth, wind or space( or-) it is comes when u fear the God who created all the above.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Madhavacharya
by Lord Prosperity on May 18, 2011 06:41 PM
When you love God, fear vanishes! Why should you fear God? Is He a demon? That is why in devotion love is emphasised more (like Teresa of Avila, John of Cross, Francis of Assisi) where as for masses to keep them morla, fear is taught! You choose what you want to be!
But the path of jnana is very different and is not understood by normal folk because the idea that I am not the body itself is so difficult to trancend, what to say of having the experiencing tha ll pervading Spirit.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Madhavacharya
by Power Cut on May 18, 2011 01:56 AM
"Indian philosophy is so subtle and beyond the understandiong of normal folk "
Do you think otherwise we Indians could have invented mathematics (GanitaShastra including 0), Sama Veda (music including the 7 notes), etc etc etc etc etc etc?????????????
We Indians (though we cannot match our ancient Hindus who gave the world what they see now) need to be proud of it.
Albert Einstein's comments should be enough: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made"!!!!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Madhavacharya
by Power Cut on May 18, 2011 01:38 AM
No wonder, brahmins were so low in percentage and didnt disturb the masses inspite of themselves being the poorest of the poor but intellectually rich!!! :-)
Re: Madhavacharya
by charlie brown on May 18, 2011 08:58 AM
But, without Godliness u live a joyous selfish materilistic life. The upliftment of the poor and the needy is missing.
Somewhere i read that the knowledgeble chanakya though a religious brahmin required carvaka to correct the dharma. It shows that the foundation is not strong and to support a dharma (which is Godly) u require the support of a philosphy which speaks about aethiesm. U even go to the extend of calling atheism is also a part and parcel of a religion.
Re: have fun while it lasts
by Jai Babu on May 17, 2011 11:48 PM
All religions peddle the dream of an AFTERLIFE, i.e. LIFE beyond DEATH! This is the absurdity that Stephen Hawking pointed out!
Life begins at birth and ends with death! It is what you do in the intervening period that counts! Who wants to believe stories about divine conception, snakes being used to churn oceans or angels & gods walking on water, splitting the moon, living forever, etc!! How long will all the true believers keep swigging wine and enjoying houris while the non-believers keep getting fried & roasted in hellfire? Ever tried frying mutton for more than 30 minutes! It is ridiculously funny! If this so called god is all powerful, why did he create infidels in the first place?? He just has to wave his wand and poof! All the non believers would disappear! "I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time." -Friedrich Nietzsche (German classical Scholar, Philosopher)
Re: Re: have fun while it lasts
by Lord Prosperity on May 17, 2011 11:57 PM
It is NOT God that wants Him/Her to be praised, it is the deveotee who wants to do that out of love. Also don't you see a man or a woman love each other then they sing songs or go to some hill station to have some privacy? The same way a devotee loves God and wants to be in His/Her comany always. A true devotee has so much less ego and hence is usually happy - perhaps you have not met such a person, but I did and you can be happy in their company too. A scientist after all the "truths" he/she tells about this universe is miserable at every small instance. That is the difference. One enjoys happiness in this world seeing his/her ishta where as others who criticise this practical way of attaining happiness, strive for the same in a different way but never attain it. God has nothing to do with good/bad in this world. The good/bad that you see are you judging an "Action" through your prism of mind and ethics. That is why what is good for one person is not the same for another as the prisms of persception are different. What IT (God/Truth etc) is, it cannot be stated. IT cannot be described in words as words are inadequate, IT cannot be thought as thought rises due to it so how can a thought think of its source? That is why self-awareness is not easy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: have fun while it lasts
by Lord Prosperity on May 18, 2011 12:25 AM
Those who give money give it out of their own will and to soothe their conscience. God has nothing to do with it. Do you think God needs some metal or paper for His/Her happiness like human beings do? If given with devotion, it pleases Him immense. Hence you have examples of Sabari, Sudama, Vidura etc who could please God with simple means and not riches! Those who give riches without donation are just doing it for their own conscience. The temple that usually runs behind riches leaving out true devotees is also corrupt.
The whole world is just a projection of consciousness. Just like the CRT tv's, the image is projected from the source, and we know the images on the screen is not the source or real or radio is just medium through which hear but the source is actually the radio station which is the actual reality. Like wise every thing originates from conciousness.
What ever you see in the world is just a projection( or Maya) and the image is just formed in mind which we mistakenly assume as reality. Humans can only see the visible. Similarly bats can only sense the ultrasonic, other bees can only sense and see in different range of spectrum. For them the world looks totally different. It mean what we see and assume of reality is just relative term.
Re: Re: Maya
by Lord Prosperity on May 17, 2011 10:20 PM
Actually the movie Matrix is exactly adopted from Vedanta. Matrix is Maya, Morpheus is the englightened one who is free from Matrix, the year 2199 is the state of enlightenment, the year 1999 in the matrix is "maya" that most of the beings are "dreaming" lying in test-tubes in year 2199 just like we all "live" in this world thinkign that we are "free" although we are "not", the agents in the movie are some sort of gaurdians of that maya who tempt the enlightened ones into matrix (maya) and want to keep the matrix intact, Neo initally disagrees with this idea that all the life he was in maya just like many of us don't agree now because ity is hard for us to envision that just as in dream, we are in some sort of dream in this world (consciousness makes us think that way), he then vetures upon the training just like a saadhaka in religion, he then attains enlightenement and then like the Buddha who defeats all those temptations and attains the highest enlightenment etc.
Re: Re: Re: Maya
by peraka sreenivas on May 17, 2011 11:04 PM
Thank you for elaborating few verses of BhagavatGita. Can you pls also write something about quantum physics and Bhagavat Gita which i found difficult to understand.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Maya
by Lord Prosperity on May 18, 2011 12:05 AM
I'm not proficient in Quantum mechanics - I only did one course in my univ. Please search for "Holographic universe" in youtube and see the 5-part video there. Please do not get carried away by the words as whatever that entity is called in that video is irrelevant, but the concept definitely counts.
Re: Re: @ Shan Baid
by Severus snape on May 17, 2011 09:16 PM
isn't the topic about belief in after life?!!! (which is the reason behind all the present trouble in the world...)
Mr.Shan u r actually very reasonable. don't fall into the trap of vehemence...
If brain is the computer, who/what has coded the operating system? Who/what powers it to run? This unknown who or what is called God by religion where as sceintists illogically do not consider these questions at all as they cannot answer them. Secondly, if brain is self-powered system that comes somehow magically into existence and then dies magically into nothing, then all the answers and the logic that we use are all part of the hard-wired brain program. So what we think are also just thoughts of brain that are hard-wired and hence it is not out of free-will (like amtrix movie which was inspired by Indian Vedanta). So where is the proof that this hard-wired thought itself is the truth as we are forced to think that way but nothing else? So the domain of validity of thought is limited and hence it cannot prove itself. So Stepehen Hawking's thought is because he has been prgramed to think that way, but he does not what is beyond that thought and what is driving that thought. Read Adi Sankara's Advaita for mode details.
Re: Illogical Hawking
by Lord Prosperity on May 17, 2011 08:15 PM
Penultimate line correction: "So Stepehen Hawking's thought is because he has been prgramed to think that way, but he does not KNOW what is beyond that thought and what is driving that thought. Read Adi Sankara's Advaita for mode details."
Re: Re: Re: Illogical Hawking
by Lord Prosperity on May 17, 2011 09:03 PM
"According to AdiShankara, every thing is a Maya; even the clothes you are wearing is also a maya. So there is no need to wear anything!!"
True. That is why it is said, one must behave according to the one's own mind. Since (assuming) you and I do not see this world as a passing show, but are very mucha ctively invovled in it, the rules of this world apply to it. Those who are beyond this pasing show need no rules of this world. Hence you have digambaras etc. After all we are so much infatuated by these bodies although we know it only skin and flesh inside. It is like that perfumed box with "sh!t" in it in the silent movie of Kamal Hassan and the person falls for that thinkign it is very good. We also go for bodies to get pleasure and as long as we crave for those pleasures we are bound by those desires. That is why it is said in Gita be desireless. Do your work/duty without expectation - again it is not easy to practice, but what is easy in life anyway if one wants to achieve happiness?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Illogical Hawking
by Lord Prosperity on May 17, 2011 10:10 PM
I think we are arguing semantics here. Without desire for results is what I meant by "be desireless". Yes you do work, but you don't seek personal glory or some sort of happiness of achievement (becuase then sadness comes with that too) - i.e. go beyond the pairs of opposites (heat/cold, happiness/sorrow) etc.
Desirelessness is NOT escapism. In fact if you can be entirely desireless, you will be the most happiest person in this world like Buddha was etc (Today is Buddha Jayanthi by the way). People who run for sensory pleasures and get sorrow and happiness cannot understand what it is to reamin calm and contended because they have not experience the true inner bliss. They invert words like "Escapsim" for people who do not have desires as they need to justify their hunger or thirst for wolrdly objects.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Illogical Hawking
by Lord Prosperity on May 17, 2011 10:33 PM
Snape, I agree that Gita is for most of us to experience and conquer. Arjuna amd many of us are at that level. There are people however who have gone beyond the need for experience and that is what I was referrign to, of course for them Gita is not useful anyway - as the well is in a flood (Gita Chapter-2). Good night to you also.
