He is an scientist of materialistic knowledge and know how. he is not more than an IDIOT in the field of spirituality. GOD factor cant be understood and felt with materialistic science knowledge. GOD factor cant be understood with so called deef & Dumb anlysist . so called modern scientist cant even imagine about GOD reality because they are class quality of fools. they believe in only what they know.. if they dont know anything they just say it doesnt exist.... scientist like Hawkins will have to take thousnads of births to imagine about GOD and its creation.
Re: stefen hawking is IDIOT in spiritual knowledge
by tamiliannotindian on May 17, 2011 12:31 PM
The GOD factor was just created by elite classes for having their daily life. The elite class includes sharma's, chatterjee, mukherjee and so on...
If GOD factor has to be felt where does human discrimination came from... Despite saying they blabber on what they know..you shd check your own intellectual level..you arealso nothing but a frog in the well(Religious / spritual)
Re: Re: stefen hawking is IDIOT in spiritual knowledge
by Alex on May 17, 2011 02:59 PM
i understand that being bla1ck and dir1ty pains you, dont forget u are a bla1ckk stinckingg tamell.
Re: stefen hawking is IDIOT in spiritual knowledge
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 12:44 PM
U mean to say that people like u could imagine about God n its creation in just one go just by following some religion blindly and scientists who have been working deeply on its creation will take thousands of births!
Re: Re: stefen hawking is IDIOT in spiritual knowledge
by Jai Babu on May 17, 2011 01:07 PM
Religion arose as a means of explanation of natural phenomena at a time when no other explanation of the origin of natural phenomena had been ascertained. God is the asylum of ignorance. When causes are unknown, god is brought forward; when causes are known, god retires into the background. In an age of ignorance, god is active; in an age of science, he is impotent. History attests this fact.
Re: stefen hawking is IDIOT in spiritual knowledge
by gegong apang on May 17, 2011 12:50 PM
It is so funny to read your comments. According to you all those scientists are fools and those believe in GOD are brilliant. HA HA ha !!. I can't control my laughter. How idiotic some of these GOD fearing people are. I pity them.
The concept of hell n heaven were based on motivation concept devised by the people during development of code of conduct for smooth human life. Since there were elaborate laws and control systems on human behaviour,the religion discovered these two concepts. The human being is motivated either by greed or punishment and hence hell n heaven.All the details of hell heaven r simply irrational given todays knowledge n wisdom.These were simply super human extension of existing thoughts and purely imaginary. With elaborate code of conduct and enforcement measures,these are simply irrelevant. The concept of God is also super human extrapolation of humans n imaginary. all religions just humanify God to lesser or more extent-Hindus doing it material form n muslims n others in theoretical form. In brief the religions ,in modern day have lost their relevance except for meditation purpose
Re: heaven/hell human creation
by Jai Babu on May 17, 2011 01:19 PM
H. L. MENCKE aptly said "I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind; that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overborne by the damage it has done to clear, rational and honest thinking."
How much evil has been perpetrated upon the world in the name of the collected rantings of the religious b00ks? Theological religions are organized businesses where the clergy & the theologians live off the earnings & labour of the faithful! It is the world's most elaborate sham and con-job! Mark Twain aptly said "Religion was born when the first con-man met the first fool!" Now many religions and cults have come up, each claiming to know the real god and the real truth! All of these contain absolute scientific howlers and have created inter religious strife. Each religions is claiming to know the real god and the real truth! "My god is better than yours!" is the war cry! How can anybody get rewards in afterlife by blasting those who do not subscribe to his version of faith? So brainwashed z0mbies are more bothered about rewards in afterlife rather than life itself! How are people believing lurid stories about the all powerful voyeur in the sky, whose main trip is monitoring the thoughts & deeds of people on Earth and handing them rewards or horrific punishments? What is this guy on to? The Univers
Re: Re: heaven/hell human creation
by Jai Babu on May 17, 2011 01:20 PM
What is this guy on to? The Universe's biggest megalomania trip? Truly people are capable of commiting the greatest evils cheerfully in the name of imaginary gods and religion!! All religions are balderdash! Religion is based on FEAR--fear of Death,fear of suffering, fear of pain,fear of the unknown and unknowable in Nature!
Re: Re: Re: heaven/hell human creation
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 04:23 PM
jai,I think,the religion was another phase in the development of civilisation even though it caused agony later due to its tendency to remain stagnant. It was one of the processes for thought n find out the solutions relevant to prevailing circumstances and means to understand the world n phenomena around..But there were people who thought counterclockwise n questioned these faiths to discover the essence of science. the only contribution of religions can be put as disciplining the people in those times when means were quite limited
"It is appointed unto men to die once, but after this comes the judgment" (Heb. 9:27)
There are a lot of wanted people by God like the wanted people by the Nations here, who escaped from the condemnation of the law in this world leading evil life, so the above said verses written in the bible.
Science can at the most take you back to the primeval atom which burst and gave rise to the universe. It can not go beyond that.Flaws have been identified in the theory of evolution as well. But the concept of God and religion has survived ages. Despite its flaws and irrationalities it has blessed us with two important things which are responsible for human dominance over this planet ,'conscience' and 'philosophy'. Without faith in god we would have not been any better than any other species of monkeys :)
Re: Limitations of Science
by gegong apang on May 17, 2011 12:04 PM
I disagree with you. The communist CHINA which does not believe in GOD is prospering. So your argument that without GOD human beings will not prosper does not stand ground. Also there are so many atheists around the world who have done well.
Re: Re: Limitations of Science
by rajesh sharma on May 17, 2011 12:12 PM
Without faith in god we would have not been any better than any other species of monkeys :)
READ above sentence and then comment. it is not about prosperity in material form.. it is about humanity & god factor which differ man with Animal.. GOD factor means POWER to re-create and this is god given power.that is the reason MONKEYS and donkeys are not ruling the world..
Re: Re: Re: Limitations of Science
by gegong apang on May 17, 2011 12:22 PM
According to you those who do not believe in GOD can not have humanity? I disagree with this. Also monkeys and donkeys are ruled/ruling (Saddam husein, Gaddafi, Bush, Syria and egyptian dictators e.t.c). Please note that these quoted people are staunch believers in their GOD and did committed massive inhuman acts atrocities. So i completely disagree with you that those believe in GOD are better human beings than those who do not.
Re: Limitations of Science
by lime water on May 17, 2011 12:13 PM
Again, science does not explain everything. But it is consistent set of facts. 90% of the stuff is verifiable.
As responsible human beings in this planet, we need to live a valuable life here. We need be cultured human beings. But none of that need be attributable to god.
Human beings are highly intelligent forms of life. Thats it. Beyond that, there is no difference from us and animals.
Just think of this. There are 5000 billion billion stars in this universe. Are we foolish enough to assume that, we humans, in our tiny speck of a blue planet in one remote arm of the milky way galaxy is the chosen one for some entity called god. And that too when humans have been in this planet for only the past 4 million years. where as stuff has been going on for 13.5 billion years.
Re: Re: Re: Limitations of Science
by srinath reddy on May 17, 2011 12:52 PM
crime committed in the name of religion, they dont have any idea of god itself.they are bogus followers.
Re: Re: Limitations of Science
by ashish benjamin on May 17, 2011 12:28 PM
"we humans, in our tiny speck of a blue planet in one remote arm of the milky way". Your own statement has the answer to your question brother. You are not big enough to challenge the existence of god. So don't be overwhelmed if a Stephen Hawking or an Ayn Rand tells you that they do not believe in god. Please use your real id to chat in online forums. God bless you.
Re: after life
by gegong apang on May 17, 2011 12:07 PM
There is no heaven, no hell, no after life, NO GOD. Wake up!! It is all human creation for some psychological needs.
Re: Re: after life
by rajesh sharma on May 17, 2011 12:27 PM
you are idiot.. there is after life and experiences. we have personally seen people with past life memories and pphysical varifications of past life and current life.
in this?. Religion, GOD are all created by human beings once his brain evolved. A chimp or a gorilla, the monkey ancestors of human being can not think of GOD, afterlife e.t.c simply because it's brain is not evolved enough. All the sufferings, hatred, stupidity due to religions will stop once people realize this. But it is a long way away....
Re: Re: Is there any secret
by Brahmin on May 17, 2011 11:29 AM
And every scientific institutions has fought tooth and nail to sell their so-called peer-reviewed science. Every science!
Re: Re: Re: Is there any secret
by lime water on May 17, 2011 11:47 AM
You are wrong. There is nothing like scientific proselytism. You approach science if you want a consistent set of explanation of the world around you. But there is religious proselytism.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there any secret
by Brahmin on May 17, 2011 11:54 AM
There is no consistency in Science. It keeps evolving with more knowledge. Science of 10000 years back is not the same as science of 100 years back which is not the same as today which in turn will not be the same as tomorrow. So, there is nothing called ABSOLUTE SCIENCE which you can rely on to prove or disprove God.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there any secret
by SHAN BAID on May 17, 2011 12:25 PM
The concept of science do evolve with time as the discoveries n inventions provide deeper knowledge n infrastructure. the concept of God has been changing bi-dimensionally i.e. across the faiths over the world as well as with time.Religion has no relevance today other than providing means of meditation,that too can be separated from religion
Re: Re: Re: Is there any secret
by Brahmin on May 17, 2011 11:55 AM
God has found hearts in every human since time immemorial in the form of various religions. The definitions can change and the properties can change but does the fact about GOD change? NEVER.
Somehow it has become fashionable for so called 'elite' or 'scientific' or 'modern' folks to deny GOD. I would have belived what he is saying if He himself came out of 'nothing'. Since that is not 'true', what he is claiming is 'false'. As he nears his death he realizes in his inner being that he is ill-prepared to meet his MAKER and therefore speking his mind out loud so as to deceive himself since he belongs to the Devil who is a 'deceiver' and also 'self-deceived'. An Almighty GOD exists and when Stephen Hawking meets HIM after dying he will have the biggest 'shock' of his existence but alas he will not be able to communicate / report the 'Truth' to us. May GOD have mercy on him and touch him so that if it were possible, Stephen Hawking could turn a 'believer' before his earthly death. His soul though will definitely meet his MAKER. Amen
Re: Re: Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by gegong apang on May 17, 2011 11:20 AM
My DAD is my DAD but i think your DAD is NOT your DAD !!!! Please double check !!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by Sunil G on May 17, 2011 11:23 AM
Don't be childish. Answer my question. You don't have an answer. Why are you willing to believe Stephen Hawking because even what he is saying is not proved either.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by gegong apang on May 17, 2011 11:38 AM
Even if GOD exists, it does not really matter to anybody. He is not able to influence or control anything. GOD is so IMPOTENT if at all he exists. I do not like such useless entities like GOD to be worshiped and so many atrocities committed in it's name.
Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by gegong apang on May 17, 2011 11:49 AM
Mr Sunil, if Mr Hawking does not become believer after his death, what will your GOD do?
Re: Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by Sunil G on May 17, 2011 11:03 AM
And you?? Psychology or psychiatry class?? Self Deceived being, wake up!!
Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by lime water on May 17, 2011 11:13 AM
1) It is not that atheists are 'fashionable' or 'modern' folks. Rather they are smart people who don't want to be fooled and who don't like to be fooled. Would you want to be fooled?
2) Stephen Hawking does not claim that he himself come out of nothing. He can probably explain every thing even from a cell level that happened since his dad's sperm got into his mom' egg. May be we can explain every thing that happened from the first living bacterias appeared on this planet about 3 billion years ago.
3) No comment about the rest of the dramatic and imaginative incriminations.
Re: Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by Sunil G on May 17, 2011 11:04 AM
If that is how you want to refer to your Heavenly Father then shame on you. May the problem is with the earthly DOG who brought you up or may be you even do not know who that DOG is!!! Then I don't blame you since it is proven that people who have had dyfunctional relations with their dads will have obvious problems relating to their 'Heavenly' one too. Think!!
Re: Re: Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by Don on May 17, 2011 11:12 AM
Hey Sunil Sunil Sunil. How many time should I tell you use proper word. Here again you have used wrong word. You should used GOD instead of Dog. So Please go back to school & LEARN PROPERLY. You are fail again. Sorry. BE COOL SUNIL YAAR.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Stephen Hawking is a victim of 'science'
by Sunil G on May 17, 2011 11:14 AM
Hi Santosh
If He controlled you then you will be 'lesser' than 'human' since that was not HIS purpose. He created humans with a 'free will' and the 'right to choose' else we would have been like robots and then there is no sense of love or worship. For eg. if your 'wife' or 'child' showed love or respect to you out of 'compulsion' would you like it or do you like those moments when they love or respect you because they want to do so. Also, 'age' applies to mortal beings who are subject to the constraints of matter, time and space. GOD is outside of all this. So what 'age' will you ascribe to HIM. HE has no beginning nor end. HE looks down to find those who want to follow HIM out of their own free will. He does not believe is using 'remote' control.
