Re: Re: End of Civilization in Bengal
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 02:34 PM
Dipak, that's depression after such a heart-breaking loss, isn't it? It took away your last hopes for another 5 years of indulgence and illegal prosperity.
Re: Re: Re: End of Civilization in Bengal
by Dipak Bose on May 13, 2011 11:08 AM
There is no illegal prosperity among the CPI(M) paeople. It exists among Mamata's men, who are thugs and criminals.
My own prediction is he will get 20 seats max. Karunanidhi wrote reamns of explanations for Holy Thirukural- an ancient guide for ethical living. If only he practiced one Thirukural verse, he would have been a better human being.It was all only in theory.
Hard about BLACK DAYS 1977 but seen & Realize the RED TERROR between 1986 to 2002 & thereafter offensiveness of almost all number one – number two LEFT Front Leaders
Re: RED TERROR
by Dipak Bose on May 11, 2011 02:15 PM
You must be very young not to know about the mass murder of 4000 people and torture of 80,000 people in jail during the regime of Siddartha Sankar Roy between 1971 to 1977.
Re: Re: RED TERROR
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 03:21 PM
The figure is almost 4 times the present strength of Maoists. There was torture and their was mass murder too. In Cossipore-Baranagar area about 150 young people were killed in one night.
But the figures you posted are far exaggerated.
Also don't forget even CPM cadres were active in torturing but it was less as compared to the Cong cadres.
SS Ray, Runu Guha Niyogi were instrumental in the terror but that started after 1972 and not 1971.
The "Khatam" strategy of the Naxalites were partially responsible for this. In stead of spreading their movement among the common people, they murdered some people who were not the real culprits of the society. This alienated from the people and they also became criminals.
what makes the bengus think mamta dd is better than the left.she has still not spelt out the development she will do for bengal.looking the way the indian railways are going does not leave much room for hope.
Re: whatmakes
by Kowsik on May 11, 2011 12:12 PM
There will be one vacancy in the Central Ministry DD will cm the wb WB needs a change let this be this time DD, next time BJP might get don't worry chinton
Re: Re: whatmakes
by Santosh on May 11, 2011 12:21 PM
And before that Milk and Honey were flowing thru the drainage pipes of WB!!! You are too young even to have heard of the Black-days of S S Ray.
Re: Re: Re: whatmakes
by suvabrata hajra on May 11, 2011 12:34 PM
Hard about BLACK DAYS but Seen & Realize the RED TERROR between 1986 to 2002 & thereafter offensiveness of almost all number one – number two LEFT Front Leaders
Re: Re: Re: whatmakes
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 12:33 PM
SS Ray only ruled WB during 1972-1977, 5 years. That cannot compare with the 35 years dear Santosh. Also, before 1972, it was Left supported UF Govt in power.
Re: Re: Re: Re: whatmakes
by Santosh on May 11, 2011 12:46 PM
There should be some reason why one party was able to rule for 35 years. Even the Con-party has not accused them of rigging election (basically the Election Commission is controlled by the Central Govt; so the State Govt can hardly do any rigging).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whatmakes
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 01:04 PM
That was a good joke Santosh. You sound like Biman Bose here :-)
Why would the Con-party accuse CPM of rigging? Their state level leaders were quite pally (under the table) with CPM and were allowed to only create measured noise not to harm the rulers.
The moment Mamata realised this, she raised her voice and as a result she floated TMC in 1998.
Probably you are out of WB hence have no idea of rigging in WB. There were various ways. Exchanging ballot papers, driving away opposition supporters, casting false votes, capturing booths to cast bogus votes were few tactics adopted by CPM successfully. But their voting machinery grew very scientific with time and their analysis of the voters, voting patterns, candidate strength etc. was immaculate. Never forget they had some of the jewel students in their party.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whatmakes
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 01:53 PM
The only reason why she moved out of Congress was because she was not handed over the state president's role. We all know why she wasn't handed over that role too. Because, she was not experienced enough to handle the position. Not that Somen Mitra was any better. It was a hobson's choice and the Congress leadership made it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whatmakes
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 05:35 PM
There's a difference between opportunism and making use of opportunity. Fine line, but a difference nonetheless.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whatmakes
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 02:19 PM
Sumit, I would differ with you on this. The differences between Mamata & Cong during those days and Mamata's favourite term for Cong as "CPM's B-team" was too common in those days. She wanted to launch full fledged offensive against the CPM which didn't find favour among the local leaders who were pally with the CPM.
Mamata's move was well vindicated when others like Sudip, Ajit Panja joined her.
Communists will come back in Kerala and Bengal after 5 years if people do not vote for BJP in these two states. The congress in Kerala is more corrupt and communal than communists.The sheen of Mamata Banerjee will be lost in just one or two years in Bengal. Both CPM & congress or Tirmul congress are disatorus for Kerala & West Bengal. People are doing mistakes by either voting CPM or congress/tirumal congress in Kerala and West Bengal. People should have voted for BJP in these two states for development and property.
Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will regret
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 11:58 AM
Don't know about Keral but people of WB must be happy to show what they can do. After all in last 35 years this is the first time they have been able to cast vote for assembly election in a free and fair manner. After 1977, all assembly election results were rigged.
By getting rid of the tyrant and arrogant commies through their ballot power, the people of WB have been able to send out a message to everyone that it is the people who matter and who should matter in true democracy. Hope Mamata realises that and acts accordingly. It is the victory of the affected people of WB.
Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will regret
by Santosh on May 11, 2011 12:18 PM
Joy Gupta, when people voted for "commies" in 1977 they were also thinking on the same way (getting rid of the tyrant and arrogant Con-party and relief from the blackdays of SS Ray)! The Con-party has not come to power ever since!!! It is just impossible to rig elections continuously for 35 years.
Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will re
by Ranaji Sen on May 11, 2011 04:21 PM
Mr. joy gupta,Firstly, i do not consider you in my level to give you an explanation. Yes, i do discuss with a person, who is intelligent, knowledgeable & rational in mindset. However, just to enrich your knowledge & to educate you, that, you should know, during 1970 to 1976, in all the villages of Bengal, there was a total lawlessness & coercion. Poor farmers used to live at the mercy of Jordar(Mafia), & Jamindar. even, villagers used to eat one meal in two days. Then, after the Left Front Govt. came into Power in 1977, they adopted the Historic land reform policy, which, no other state could do. Through, this,farmers were given the ownership of the land, where they used to cultivate.Till Jan'2010, Left Front Govt. has distributed over 11.3 acres of Land to 30.4 Lakhs poor farmers & provided security of tenure for 15 Lakhs share croppers. As a result, in West Bengal,death rate(6.2 per thousand)& birth rate(17.2 per thousand)below that of the Indian national average(7.3 & 22.5)& infant mortality rate is 33(per thousand)in the year of 2009,lower than the national average of 50.
Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will re
by Ranaji Sen on May 11, 2011 01:52 PM
I think, some people are born incorrigible, & cosmic idiot,like, the one just now said, Left Front has rigged the election for the last 34 years, any sensible person,will say that, no Party can form a Govt. by rigging election. If that, says, then it is a insult towards the People's mandate.Left Front has been in the power, they have got the support of people, they have done some good job for the state. But then, to understand these things, one has to be sensible, must have a clear conscience,fair views, not like a person ( Guptaji)whose brain is totally washed because of some side workers slogans & few t.v. channels.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral wil
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 02:23 PM
Here you come, dear Ranaji. It is not at all surprising that the cadres are finding it difficult to accept their mystery (or mastery) of 34 years of winning the elections.
Prove me wrong Ranaji. If your logic is acceptable, why CPM always did better in the villages than in Kolkata? I don't think you will say that people of Kolkata were fools or didn't understand politics.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral wil
by Roshanara on May 11, 2011 04:46 PM
Dear Ranaji. Finding it hard to come to terms with and digest defeat, Yeah. When people vote in your favour, they are divine. When they don't, they are foolish and making mistakes, isn't it? For your kind info, this is the first time, the polling is being held in 6 phases in West Bengal, so that security can be mobilised, and polls can be held free and fair. Also, the previous Congress regimes of Indira, Rajiv and Narsimha Rao were hand-in-glove with the Marxists. However, this Central Govt. could not forgive the Left for going against it in the Nuclear Deal. Hence, they are ensuring a free and fair poll which otherwise they would have overlooked or acquiesced in the past. Hence, Left Front's grave is being sealed. King is Dead, Long live the King.
Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will re
by Ranaji Sen on May 11, 2011 04:22 PM
Mr. joy gupta,Firstly, i do not consider you in my level to give you an explanation. Yes, i do discuss with a person, who is intelligent, knowledgeable & rational in mindset. However, just to enrich your knowledge & to educate you, that, you should know, during 1970 to 1976, in all the villages of Bengal, there was a total lawlessness & coercion. Poor farmers used to live at the mercy of Jordar(Mafia), & Jamindar. even, villagers used to eat one meal in two days. Then, after the Left Front Govt. came into Power in 1977, they adopted the Historic land reform policy, which, no other state could do. Through, this,farmers were given the ownership of the land, where they used to cultivate.Till Jan'2010, Left Front Govt. has distributed over 11.3 acres of Land to 30.4 Lakhs poor farmers & provided security of tenure for 15 Lakhs share croppers. As a result, in West Bengal,death rate(6.2 per thousand)& birth rate(17.2 per thousand)below that of the Indian national average(7.3 & 22.5)& infant mortality rate is 33(per thousand)in the year of 2009,lower than the national average of 50.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral wil
by Ranaji Sen on May 11, 2011 05:35 PM
Mr. Roshanara, have u read my post carefully, if u can not understand that, get the help from somebody else. pl, talk sense,answer that, related to my topic in the post, because i talk sense, with a facts & figure
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral wil
by Roshanara on May 11, 2011 04:48 PM
Ranaji. If you do not consider Joy Gupta, in your level to give explanation, can you give it to me? If your answer is in the negative, can I know what your level is? It will be apparent on the noon of Friday, the 13th.
Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will regret
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 12:34 PM
Joy, for some reason, today you seem to be in a belligerent mood. And that is affecting your judgement. You are posting very abrasive msgs today. Not like your usual posts. TMC will come to power on Friday the 13th. Rest we will see. Chill! :)
Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will regret
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 12:40 PM
Chill Sumit. True I am venting out some anger at the commies today. I felt so anguished and sad for the poor people who were killed in Nandigram and Singur. When I saw the lifeless concrete structure at Singur amidst the vast crop producing fields, I somehow couldn't match the two.
I wish the people of WB all the best for the future and pray that the entire country is able to vote in this way to enable the common people exercise their power.
Let true democracy prevail in our country. Politicians will automatically learn their lessons.
Re: Re: Re: Re: People of West Bengal & Keral will re
by mailme alladin on May 11, 2011 02:10 PM
Don't mix-up Singur and Nandigram. There was no killing in Singur. In Nadigram the fact is 3 times more CPM cadres died of TMC terror than the number of people died of police firing.
M.Karunanidhi is no leader of any SC&ST,Dalit or minority etc. He is all worried about his kith & Kin & many of his wives & extended family. Its only the natural Justice and Divine Dispensation that brought him to this state of trial and punishment. M.Karunanidhi & his group of people think & act that they can do anything & get away unpunished. Madam JJ is the only leader who has the people's support & good will. She being an able administrator with political gut and will take TN to greater heights. All the vested interested along with MK & his family hegemonic kith & kin & wives are afraid of Madam JJ only. M.Karunnidhi posting as if he is an dravidan leader did cheating all these years this good tamil nadu. 2G Spectrum Scam is the climax of it. We the common people thank the Judiciary for taking all these actions and initiatives to bring this evil force to trial and punishment lock stock and barrel. We common people can imagine, if the Judiciary did not take one step ahead of this evil forces, how boldly and arrogantly and treachrously they would have been going about in this good tamil nadu enslaving the good tamil people under their family hegemonic rule for years to come. The Spirits of Anna Durai, MGR and past and present Drvidan leaders save this good tamil nadu from MK's evil family hegemony. Madam JJ will restore the Tamil Glory, Tamil
Re: Re: Madam JJ
by Kowsik on May 11, 2011 12:19 PM
After Anna Durai and MGR( leave alone KKraj) Madam JJ was the best CM TN had who took TN to newer heights and TN was in golden rule. This MK's evil eye would not bear this and got her in all kinds of mudslinging and falls cases etc. But Madam JJ came out of all of them. One case is pending which is becaus of this MK only, after this he will not have anythng to say about Madam JJ. Now the common people know how treachrous and hegemonic this MK and common people thank the Judiciary for geting Mk and his group of people to trial and punishment under law. Madam JJ is a gentle Lady, Erudite Scholar and Able Administrator. Madam JJ is people's leader she does rule with certain political gut and will She is very knowleldaable about the TN problems. MK and his group of people and other male chauvansit leaders only obsticle her and her good rule for this TN. Good Luck Madam JJ God Bless you The Spirit of Anna Durai and MGR and dravidian leaders bless and rejoice over your good rule in this good tamil nadu of theirs and ours
Re: Re: Re: Madam JJ
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 12:42 PM
Kowsik, Madam JJ was taking bribes from every ship that used to dock at Chennai when she was the CM. She may not have a family like Karuna, but she is no better than Karuna in corruption.
How can a filmstar be a leader, it beats all logic.
Re: If I Am Made Dictator of India!!!
by Siul Azuosd on May 11, 2011 11:14 AM
Teach of English language to our Indians should be entrusted to the members of RSS. They will do a good and sincere job.
Re: Re: If I Am Made Dictator of India!!!
by Santosh on May 11, 2011 11:52 AM
SiulAzhole, it seems you were taught by them. What is meant by "Teach of English language........"??
Anyway if bengalese are voted for Mamata this time and she can loot west bengal for 60 months. She will definitely sell bengal to the corporate and all the money will be deposited in her swiss bank account.
Re: Mamata will loot west bengal
by Opinionated Man on May 11, 2011 11:09 AM
The people of bengal are giving her a chance to bring up the standard of living in the state, they expect good governance and improvement in every sector...as anything she will be doing is a positive from the ZILCH which commies have achieved in 34 years.
Re: Mamata will loot west bengal
by suvabrata hajra on May 11, 2011 11:14 AM
Already Bengal is shrinking in deep sea with the loans taken by the LEFT for last 34 years. There is nothing to sell and Mamta can not sell the Fertile Land like Left
Re: Mamata will loot west bengal
by suvabrata hajra on May 11, 2011 11:15 AM
Already Bengal is shrinking in deep sea with the loans taken by the LEFT for last 34 years. There is nothing to sell and Mamta can not sell the Fertile Land like Left
Re: Mamata will loot west bengal
by suvabrata hajra on May 11, 2011 11:14 AM
Already Bengal is shrinking in deep sea with the loans taken by the LEFT for last 34 years. There is nothing to sell and Mamta can not sell the Fertile Land like Left
