There are two types of Bengalis: Bhadralok or civilized Bengalis and Chotalok or uncivilized Bengalis.
All Chotalok bengalis are voting for Mamata Banu; look at the candidates and supporters of Mamata everywhere. They do not have education more than class VI in schools; they are all engaged in some kind of agencies selling building materials, land etc.
Since 1977 there were at least peace although not prosperity for West Bengal. Now under Mamata there will be again blood baths in west Bengal, as it was during the Congress rule of 1971-1977.
Peace is much better than false promise of Mamata. So far she has done nothing for West Bengal. At least Lallu Prasad created 80,000 jobs for the Biharis. Nitish Kumar took away all railways to Bihar. Mamata did nothing.
Re: Peace or False Promise
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 10:30 AM
Dipak, this is a very narrow minded view of the situation. There are "Chotolok" and "Bhadralok" in both parties. Every political party has it's share of educated and un-educated or ill-educated people. Some of the people in this forum are proof of that. Your bias is unwarranted and does not project you as being well groomed. Please refrain from making such generalized statements.
Re: Peace or False Promise
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 10:26 AM
Dipak, that's your way of thinking. Either you are trying to insult the Bengalis under the disguise of a Bengali name, or you are trying to say that the people staying in Kolkata in areas like Alipur, Dumdum, Jorabagan, Bowbajar, Entally, Maniktala etc. as Chotoloks who have been voting against CPM for many years now.
What peace are you talking about? The people were subdued by Red Terror. Do you understand what red terror is? Go and meet the people in Singur, Nandigram, Keshpur, Netai, Suchpur, Nanur, Shason near Barasat.
If you haven't seen police wearing slipper beating common people mercilessly in Singur, if you haven't seen the video coverage of police in slippers firing at common people of Nandigram using local made guns - then I must say you are a blind person.
In WB, free and fair poll started to happen since 2009 LS election (after LF & Cong affair ended) and the results are everywhere to be seen. Till yesterday if I wanted to start an industry, I had to pay to party fund, local committee functions, local clubs apart from the normal taxes to the Govt and Govt was nowhere to provide any support. For 35 years this Govt has not done anything for the people. Therefore the people know what they want, better than you and me for sure.
Re: Re: Peace or False Promise
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 10:38 AM
I would disagree on the 2009 election bit. I think free and fair polls happened during 2005 also. At that time there was no one in the opposition in Bengal for whom people could vote. Hence, the Left was the only option available to people. I would be bold enough to say that in the new millenium, all polls in WB have been largely free and fair. Therefore your contention on that does not hold good. So far as terror is concerned, we have witnessed armed goons on both sides of the spectrum prior to this election. Don't expect the situation to change drastically after this also. Never forget, all the political goons of the Left have now joined TMC.
Re: Re: Re: Peace or False Promise
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 10:53 AM
You can claim anything but fact won't change because of that. Till 2008, 90% of the polling booths were guarded by WB home guards and WB Police. And who doesn't know the control of CPM over these? Cong also never used to send enough central force because it was pally with the CPM.
In 2009, after the divorce of CPM & Cong, the scenario changed and we all can see the result.
I am not expecting drastic changes but I am hopeful for better days. Remember Mamata has more at stake than the commies.
Above all, I am happy that the tyrant, arrogant and rude commies have been defeated. It is the victory of the common people of WB whom one cadre has criticised as "Chotolok".
Re: Re: Re: Re: Peace or False Promise
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 11:02 AM
Bias exists on both ends. There are extremists on both sides. There are people who support the left and abuse anyone who does not. The same applies for the TMC supporters. I am willing to criticize both parties, as i think both of the parties deserve to be kicked on their rear-end and thrown out of the country.
Re: Peace or False Promise
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 10:32 AM
Dipak, you can't term Mamata's promises as false. She has played her part in hastening the delivery of Garia extension of Kolkata Metro. The people taking this route know how much they have been benefitted. She has played her part in starting Duronto express service which is very good. Success and failure is part of everyone's life so she also has her failures.
Lalu created jobs for Biharis and caused a catastrophe by employing incompetent people in key positions who are responsible for many mistakes in railway operations.
And would you please explain what you exactly mean by "Nitish Kumar took away all railways to Bihar". Are you thinking that Railways is a piece of cake or a bottle of milk? I think you should have the courage to stand by your post. Don't sound like the moron Goutam Deb.
Re: Peace or False Promise
by sujit sengupta on May 11, 2011 10:24 AM
Remeber..Saibari..Remebr Marichjhapi..?/remeber bantola..?/remeber Chotangaria..??remeber Bijon Setu..?/remeber Singur..?/remeber Nandigram..??remeber Netai...?? West bengal can never see such bloodbath as it saw under the killer CPM Govt.Under this worthless CPM Govt the state is now under 2000 Crore debt.Let these Chotoloks be dethroned and the Bhadraloks come to power.
Re: Re: Peace or False Promise
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 11:04 AM
Why do you guys always bring up Duronto Express whenever her work at railways is questioned? Are you aware of the fact that this express was planned and route timing determined as far back as 2005? She has only named it Duronto and has nothing to do with the planning or execution of the train. Check the railway planning board recommendations for 2005 through RTI.
Re: Re: Peace or False Promise
by sujit sengupta on May 11, 2011 11:15 AM
in 2005..?/who was the railway minister then Sumit...??and basudeb Acharya was the chairman of Railway Board till 2009.Why he could not make any move to initiate duronto express from 2005 to 2009...??
Re: Re: Re: Peace or False Promise
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 12:47 PM
@sujit: i know what i am talking about. i don't make idle comments. i am sure you know that by now...
Just after the elections are over,Exit Poll showing the lefts will be ruined permanently from these two states,caders have disappeared from posting.On 13th..what would they do..?Remevber..in LS election and Corporation election ..the seats of the Lefts decreased even more than what was shown duirng the Prepoll.So if seats decrease even more this time...Lefts will be shattered permanently.Caders will be vanished for the next 35 years.
So... its clear that none of the IT and ITES professionals start working as soon as you enter your company. The flood of messages in the forums prove it. Now, dont blame me... am not in India. :(
Re: If I Am Made Dictator of India!!!
by Edward on May 11, 2011 10:00 AM
With less than 3% English literacy rates, Germany, Russia, Japan, Korea, etc are more powerful. What do you say here ?
Re: Re: If I Am Made Dictator of India!!!
by nizar tp on May 11, 2011 10:15 AM
He (Neo Hitler) copy paste this message in every discussion board. Ignore him. He is mad.
Re: If I Am Made Dictator of India!!!
by Aam Aadmi on May 11, 2011 10:16 AM
After your term is over, Congress will take six months to undo all your work and make a chaotic condition out of your work. You will be told that your name is Narendra Modi and you deserve all attention.
Re: Suresh Babu, Ranaji Sen, Sauvik Basu
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 10:41 AM
Actually this is an exit poll, the final verdict will come on Friday the 13th. I'm sure the final results will not be far off the mark and TMC will win, hands down. But, Joy, don't you find it significant that the results are being announced on Fridat the 13th? :)
Re: Re: Re: Suresh Babu, Ranaji Sen, Sauvik Basu
by Joy Gupta on May 11, 2011 10:58 AM
Also, please note Sumit that the exit poll results have been quite successful in the recent years so there is no reason why this one shouldn't be reliable. There may be some difference in the final figures but the general mood of the voters are well captured.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Suresh Babu, Ranaji Sen, Sauvik Basu
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 12:52 PM
Joy: Read my post. I have stated that the exit polls are not far off the mark. The results will be similar. Why don't you guys read before commenting? And when will TMC cadres learn to understand a joke?! you guys just don't have any sense of humour at all!
Re: Re: Re: Suresh Babu, Ranaji Sen, Sauvik Basu
by sumit mukherjee on May 11, 2011 12:53 PM
and, also, if you had actually been reading my posts, you'd have realized by now that i am no commie. i'm no trinafool either. :)
6000 sample in a popluation of 6 crores. What is the confidence level 95%. So most of the exit poll results are like astrological column appearing on news papers.
The exit poll results have been quite successful in the recent years so there is no reason why this one shouldn't be reliable. There may be some difference in the figures but the general mood of the voters are well captured.
This surveys will never consider village voters who are really voting on election day!Educated people will never vote in TN.if u see voting percentage,its very low in urban areas & huge in rural areas.so exit poll survey never matches with actual in TN.
Re: exit survey never matches in TN
by Aam Aadmi on May 11, 2011 10:19 AM
They should conduct an exit poll for how much money parties paid the voters. That will determine as to who will win in TN.
In a vast country like ours any kind of sampling is bound to have a low probability. So whether inward or Exit polls have to be taken with a bushfull of salt. In Sixties Harold Wilson of UK was to sweep the election with 100 MPS majority and ended up with 100 MPs short. From that day I have understood what the Gallup or any other poll prediction is to be considered as. At best it can be a pointer and at worst it will be worse than lottery. But then some people have to live on it and we too need such tamashah once in a while. Carry on.
