The fact that the jihadis may have sympathizers within the security and intelligence communities must be considered. Yet it is clear that after the Osama episode Pakistan`s intelligence apparatus will need to work overtime in trying to dismantle the networks of both foreign and local militant groups, as well as keeping better tabs on suspected terrorists seeking refuge in the country`s cities and towns. Strategic doctrines of `good militant, bad militant` should also be discarded, as militants can turn their guns on the state anytime. That the country will now face immense pressure to root out militancy goes without saying. Yet there is another factor the security establishment must consider. It has been confirmed by the government that the Osama operation was a solo American outing. If the Americans or anybody else makes a habit of launching these types of operations within Pakistan, without joint cooperation or while bypassing Islamabad, to take out suspected militants, it can have unsavoury consequences for Pakistan internally and abroad. Within the country, there will be questions about Pakistan`s `sovereignty` being violated. Internationally, the impression that Pakistan is a safe haven for global terror and that the Pakistani state is incapable of tackling militancy will be strengthened. Either way, Pakistan is on the verge of implosion sooner or later. Next three months is full of turmoil.
Re: Pakistan has dropped a 'CLINKA
by vipin mehrotra on May 06, 2011 03:23 PM
It was done with knowledge of Pak Government to keep blind eye as was done by MMS in all scams and Narshima Rao in Purulia Drops.US let not have any iotion for Pak
the america stands in pak ; how pak giving permission to american navy to fly at there zone-? THESE IS VERY HARMFUL FOR PAK AND THERE TIES----COAS made it clear that any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States
Re: Re: how
by Arun Mittal on May 06, 2011 03:22 PM
That reminds us of our 1962 War defeat at the hands of China (of their duplicity and deception !). China's PM Chou En Lai visited India, waved to Indian crowds chanting Hindi-Chini Bhai-Bhai ! And on return to Beijing, went on to attack India and maimed thousands of our soldiers like sheep stocks ! Though I was just 5 years old then and could not feel that agony but that pains now. It is the same sick feeling for Pakis, who can not muster courage to oust the corrupt ISI Top Brass.
Re: Re: Re: how
by Venugopalan on May 06, 2011 03:31 PM
you are just commenting about two totally different things, china is not US and what has happened in Pakistan is nothing like what happened in 1962 (when you were just 5 year old kid) in fact you knew nothing about 1962. about 1000s of soldiers getting killed, that did not happen. do not exaggerate.. comment about things you knew mr. arum...
Re: Re: Re: Re: how
by Arun Mittal on May 06, 2011 03:58 PM
My Dear, if u spare a thought, feeling is the same- that loss of face of the leadership before its own people-deceived in the back by a friend. Pakis are not mourning for Osama, they too are happy he was eliminated. They are grieving about how it all happened under the nose of a incompetent Govt.and rather Army brass !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: how
by Argumentative Indian on May 06, 2011 04:07 PM
India's failure to detect China's treachery was not a loss of face, it was a betrayal.
Here, Pakistan has been betraying US, after subsisting on its alms for years, and now US has exposed them completely, so the Pakis have a loss of face.
Please understand the difference between the two.
In the Indo - Pak conflict, assume we were ruled by a man at the time, say Indiraji for want of a better example, or maybe even P V Narasimha Rao. Shri Chow Mein is Lies comes to India, waves etc., and India knows the SOB is going to go back and order a war, so gets its troops ready. As soon as the war starts, the Chinese army is routed out and Chow Mein is Lies is brought down and exposed as a treachorous snake. Then the loss of face suffered by China would have been similar to the loss of face suffered by Pakistan today.
A gentleman getting looted for being a gentleman, is not a loss of face.
Re: how
by Venugopalan on May 06, 2011 03:27 PM
US is pumbing billions of dollars to keep the rulers silence.so naturally the rulers only makes noice but ultimately no action like breaking relations..etc. they are just fooling the world and giving a false promise to bakistani people.
Pakistan has suffered more than any other country in the ongoing fight militancy and terrorism and reiterated commitment of the government to continue fighting the militants
Re: how
by Piyush Bhargava on May 06, 2011 03:21 PM
Pakistan itself is a monster. It created a monster called terrorism for its own benefit.Now two monsters are devouring each other.Pakistan is going to implode.In a few years from now, there will be no Pakistan.
Re: Re: Re: how
by Venugopalan on May 06, 2011 03:39 PM
Pakistan always benefitted from extremist elements whether osama or dawood..they get money for fighting these monsters and in turn feed these elements..like they fed taliban and now alquaida..and let...andJmm
Re: Re: Re: how
by vipin mehrotra on May 06, 2011 03:27 PM
You reap only what you sow.Pak is a Terrorist Country and terrorism was bound to grow in Pakistan.Only aknave can beleive that Osama with wives children Dialyssis equipment was hiding near military area without the knowledge of Government.If it was executed without their knowledge, then only reason could be that had US informed them they would have shifted him to some other place
Every official statement that comes from Pak only makes them more a laughing stock. Salman Basheer's press statement was a sorry affair.. it was more like mumbling.... he was completely shaken by the incident.. he gave it all away the way he spoke. Poor chaps!
Re: Sorry state of Pak..
by Arun Mittal on May 06, 2011 03:19 PM
That reminds us of our 1962 War defeat at the hands of China (of their duplicity and deception !). China's PM Chou En Lai visited India, waved to Indian crowds chanting Hindi-Chini Bhai-Bhai ! And on return to Beijing, went on to attack India and maimed thousands of our soldiers like sheep stocks ! Though I was just 5 years old then and could not feel that agony but that pains now. It is the same sick feeling for Pakis, who can not muster courage to oust the corrupt ISI Top Brass.
Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms of Hind
by Haatim on May 06, 2011 03:15 PM
yes according to rahul gandhi the biggest form of terror in India is from Hindus and not people like osama bin laden.
Re: Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms of
by khatri kumar on May 06, 2011 03:23 PM
Not only america is laughing at us, but entire world
Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms of Hind
by Anuraug Rathor on May 06, 2011 03:14 PM
Sameer Bhagwat seems to be a Class A retard, or a Paki...not that there's much difference between the two anyway!
Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms of Hind
by Kungfu Panda on May 06, 2011 03:20 PM
if they want to eradicate hindu terror, they should first get rid of Modi as he is the biggest hindu terrorist in the world equal to the muslim terrorist bin laden
Re: Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms of
by khatri kumar on May 06, 2011 03:27 PM
you want muslim terrorism to prevail, and rule the country, and kill the people by burning trains, blast in trains, attache on parliament,
Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms of Hind
by Argumentative Indian on May 06, 2011 03:11 PM
Thats like saying, they're going to wipe out all life on the moon.
Its difficult to eradicate something which does not exist, dumbo.
Re: Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms of
by sujeet kumar on May 06, 2011 03:14 PM
U R RIGHT LALLOOO.THEY R DROPPING ARMS IN THE AREA.
Re: Re: Re: Sonia jee and MMS jee r going to eradicate all forms
by rockon on May 06, 2011 03:24 PM
Arms dropping done by central govt with help of retired military personel and then let him escape using politicians
Now we must understand that any country, US, India or Pakistan is not run by all its people, but limited people who each know and handle different limited things.
Those that know everything are few, they are in intelligence and often do not act as the rest of them think they do act or should act.
This is true of all nations, even more so of so-called democracies.
So many situations are possible.
Osama was alive, protected by ISI, the one who does the world elite's maximum dirty work after CIA. Then Obama hard-bargained a chance to eliminate him. Then cheated some details and caught them unawares.
Or CIA infiltrated Al Q and set Bin Laden up.
Or Bin Laden is dead long ago, and his double was killed this time.
Or Bin Laden just isnt dead yet.
Or Obama and Co. knew the real Osama was hiding in Pak, made the Pak believe that they did not find him. And DID NOT pursue Osama properly all these years, because then the war would be over and profits would be gone. And now they decided to ignore the MIC and went ahead with the op to get re-elected.
If you include faulty intelligence sharing, misinformation, cheating and treason, there are a lot more possibilities for just executing the real Osama.
Not to mention the even bigger set of possibilities about this not being the death of the real Osama.
But as they said, Osama the bogeyman is gone. Now we need a new name, maybe Gaddafi.
Re: has to be with Pak knowledge
by Argumentative Indian on May 06, 2011 03:15 PM
One of the important aspects, which you have unfortunately left out, is that maybe a dangerous extra terrestrial was living in that complex, that needed to be captured.
Maybe this life form has been captured now, and hidden in an underground bunker, 1 mile below the earth's surface, where a hot blonde American scientist is even now breaking down its DNA. For further factual, technical details, please refer Video Manual called Independence Day.
Other all your points are very beautiful. Excellent.
Re: Re: Re: has to be with Pak knowledge
by Argumentative Indian on May 06, 2011 03:32 PM
1) I didn't know that the Bin Laden family is / was very close business associate with the Bush family. Neither of these families find me important enough to share data with me. Personally, I find the Paris business of the Hilton family more exciting.
2) I read somewhere (I actually do read(!)) that the Bin Ladens are very successful businessment, multi billionaires. The Bush family also has some business interests, in Oil I think, their horses are for recreation I guess. So their working together does sound likely & reasonable to me, what's wrong with that?
3) This High Value Tarjet (HVT) was initially designed to take down the evil empire. But after the empire is gone, the Special Purpose Machine, actually had no relevance, but went on producing its product, i.e. terror, so it has been scrapped now. Anything particularly untoward about this?
I'm still awaiting motive for US' & the dreaded Globalists' keen desire to own Pakistan. Is it their fabled real estate, the SWAT valley? It can't be their excellent Human Resources? Oil Perhaps? A gateway to Central Asia? A leverage in the Arab World? I wonder.
I personally need motive, to convince myself of conspiracy theories.
BTW, I'm smart, cynical, successful and firmly believe in material progress. I find nothing wrong in that.
Re: has to be with Pak knowledge
by Devdutt Nayak on May 06, 2011 03:14 PM
As for Pakistan, I dont know if anybody really knows what anyone else is really doing in that country anymore.
We have some kind of certainty of evil and corruption here in India.
And some parts of Govt and forces are quite functional. In contrast, Pakistan is slowly and surely sliding into anarchy.
It is almost certain that if they dont do something seriously positive to their thinking and their image, they will be part of an extended Afghanistan.
And that is part of America's longer term plan against Russia and China.
US has poor trade bargaining power with China.
Globalisation is a beast that the US / EU population helped create which has eaten the creator itself.
China can only be stopped by non-civilian means.
China too wants to use up its existing arms stockpile.
Hence both the US and China re desperate to sell arms to China.
So everyone wants Pakistan to become an arms-sellers market.
So everybody wants Pak to go into chaos.
The one country NOT interested in Pak destruction, mainly for its own future safety, is India.
And Pak cannot trust India inspite of exemplary, sometimes foolish, forgiving behaviour by India.
If Pak civil society do not take this opportunity, they will be exploited to the hilt by the US, Chinese and Arab fundamentalists.
Its a bad triangle to be caught in. 3 seasoned predators acting together.
Re: Re: has to be with Pak knowledge
by vndobell on May 06, 2011 03:16 PM
Very good bro,,,keep it up, you are right and your views is close to reality,
Top of it you are a person who thinks this issue beyond the issue of hindu muslim of Indo PAK issue.
Re: Re: has to be with Pak knowledge
by Argumentative Indian on May 06, 2011 03:22 PM
I am little confoosed here, in the below statement of yours, "Hence both the US and China re desperate to sell arms to China", I assume you actually meant, "Hence both the US and China re desperate to sell arms to Pakistan", well kudos to myself, I am bhery smart.
However, confooshen is, how Pak is going to pay for the arms? They are good at producing, onions, sugar & babies as I understand. But to pay for arms with the first two commodities, and the last human resource that can only produce the above three is little difficult NO?
In the case of India's exploitation for about 175 years by the Brits, I understand we were a VERY RICH nation, in the agragarian economy. We were also very gifted naturally, I mean compare a windswept, generally rainy, miniscule island, with Vindhya Himachal Yamuna Ganga, you get the picture right?
This is the right time for India, to make all the correct clucking noises and use its huge clout through successful NRIs to lobby the US to stop funding Terroristan.
China does not fund countries.
In terms of behaviour US is like a typical Zamindar or local ruler, who uses power & money to influence people in his juridiction. Money is another tool to be used for him.
China is a typical Bania, who hoards money. The Zamindar owes him big time, and he may actually own all the Zamindar's assets, but for the Bania, the money is an end in itself.
So, if India can effectively even reduce US funding, & also influence the bunch of global opportunists called friends of Pakistan, this International Terrorist will cool down significantly.
This is also a good time to reach out to UK, since the labor joker, the 'good' looking Miliband is no longer calling the shots, but a rational David Cameron is at the helm.
I personally feel MMS Sir, will do no such thing. Rather, he will spend this opportunity talking about peace with Pakistan, completely ignoring the US & UK. At some much later date, his govt. will get into placing orders for the Nuclear Power Plants with various US companies, and call it STRATEGIC collaboration with US!
Re: India should lobby US against continuing Pak Aid
by Kungfu Panda on May 06, 2011 03:25 PM
you are an idiot. if USA stops aid to pakistan, it will turn to saudi or china and will turn more extremist and more jehadi elements will crop up. they will not listen to USA and no one will be able to control the pakistanis. it is in best interest of india to see that pakistan becomes functional from dysfunctional state as they are our neighbours and destabilising pakistan will only mean jihadi elements will take control of civilian leadership and civil society in pakistan. then they will launch full scale terror attacks on India which might then lead to nuclear war. so all the people who are war mongering and calling for cutting off aid to pakistan have to realise that it is not in the best interest of india. i advise people to use common sense and logic instead of rhetoric when talking about these sensitive issues. Pakistan needs USA help in destroying the terror network and infrastructure. If USA cannot do it, no one can do it
Re: Re: India should lobby US against continuing Pak Aid
by Argumentative Indian on May 06, 2011 03:42 PM
Oh enlightened Pandaji of Kungfu fame,
1) I didnt' know Pak listned to US even now, after receiving US aid.
2) China cannot financially afford to prop up Pakistan. China, is a miser with savings, i.e. forex reserves. Its not a rich country like the US. There's a difference between the two.
3) Saudia treats Pak, like its reserved pool for indentured laborers. It will support Pakistan to subsistence levels, not F - 16 levels.
Re: India should lobby US against continuing Pak Aid
by ninja on May 06, 2011 04:31 PM
it is India who is giving huge amount of money to US and in turn to Pakistan for attacking us...we need to throw these multinational companies out of india. pakistan doesnt hv money to eat and drink still they can bear the cost of attacking india every 5 year...how is it possible without US aid. and US economy is completely dependent on Indian market...
Sonia jee and MMS jee have proved that All celebrity undertrials(not guilty still) like raja,kalmadi,balwa if found doing wrong can go to jails...raja,kalmadi r so adjusting that they can even live in jail with other inmates...BUT BJPEE will never send Narender Modi,Vajpayee, Advani, Bangaru laxman, and other Chaddi people to jail inspite of them carrying genocide, terrorism, corruption charges on them...
Re: when will bjpee learn
by Argumentative Indian on May 06, 2011 03:06 PM
Unread Paki, oops, thats one extra word, sorry, the difference between the Kalmadis & Rajas & the others mentioned by you, is that the former are undertrials, facing legal action on very serious allegations. The courts of India have found it correct to put them in judicial or CBI custody.
The latter, are a bunch of people, deeply hated by Pakis like you, that does not mean they are undertrials.
BTW, India is not a bannana republic, where a two penny dictator, who lost a battle & ran with his tail between his legs at Kargil, i.e. Pervez Borematkarraff, can control the courts. If a person is undertrial, & the court is convinced of the need of custody for the person, teh court couldn't care less which party that person belongs to.
I'm not a supporter of any communal party, but a proud secular, Indian.
Re: when will bjpee learn
by Mak Kumar on May 06, 2011 03:03 PM
Mr baagwat, why should Modi, Vajpayee, Advani go to jail? By that measure Rajiv Gandhi should have been sent to jail for 1984 genocide of sikhs as well? Just as no one had any proof against Rajiv Gandhi and so he could not be sent to jail, in the same way the guys named by you cannnot be sent to jail. Are I Gandhi and familie's blood more red than otherS?
Re: Re: when will bjpee learn
by Sameer Bhagwat on May 06, 2011 03:07 PM
BJPEEs and other sanghis did genocide/terrorism on SIkhs in 1984....Congress workers went there to save innocent SIkhs from terrorist BJPEEs
Re: when will bjpee learn
by bharat sant on May 06, 2011 03:21 PM
Mr. Sameer Bhgwatji, BJP will learn when they come to power at the Centre. If one sees tha magnitude of 2G scam, the CWG scam and many others known and unknown, corruption is negligible in BJP-ruled States. As we know, Chidambaran, Karunanidhi, and Sonia Gandhi are soon going to be "implicated" and "prosecuted" in the 2G scam case. I am not saying this, Mr. Subramanian Swamy has already written a letter to this effect to our PM. Please look at what BSP's Mayawati is doing - hundreds and thousanda of crores rupee worth scams and corrupt episodes. The next government at the Centre has to be BJP or BJP-led and it will have learnt all the necessary lessons in honesty and integrity from Anna Hazare, Guru Ram Dev, and Subramanian Swamy. Please be rest assured. And if Congress-led governemnt once again comes to power at the Centre, our country is doomed.
Re: when will bjpee learn
by B M on May 06, 2011 03:07 PM
Murders for good cause, such as Osama's killing by USA calls for felicitation, rather than punishment. Whatever Modi did was good for the nation.
Re: Re: when will bjpee learn
by khatri kumar on May 06, 2011 03:21 PM
Hat off to you for your impartial comments. What narendra modi did was what Obama did in pak. kudos to both of them
Re: when will bjpee learn
by khatri kumar on May 06, 2011 03:17 PM
If you want to send Narendra modi to jail, than what about people who burnt and killed people at godra. ple see both the sides of coin. and dont be partial, and hats of to US for whatever happened in pakistan
