author is an iconoclast .. wanting to see his book by hitting an icon .. what big icon can one choose but father of a nation .. who at the time of his appearence pll from all over india believed/trusted in him ,barring few ppl whowere and still are british lackeys ..
Re: this ..
by JaiHanumaan on Apr 01, 2011 03:33 AM
this book tells about authors mind not gandhijis mind .. for sure .. who want to sell his dirt like this ..
Gandhiji was the best thing happened in India, it is a universal fact. The author of book has said he did not wrote anything bad about gandhiji. Now Modiji shud revoke the ban of book and make it tax free.
Re: Gandhiji was the best thing happened in India
by aaaa bbbb on Apr 01, 2011 03:51 AM
I am happy that there are some who truly understand and appreciate the mahathma...as Einstein said in future nobody would beleive such a man walked on this earth
Re: Gandhiji was the best thing happened in India
by satyarthi on Apr 01, 2011 03:39 AM
Yes of course. He was a warrior, a scientist and a saint. He was a great strategist too.
I once met an elderly sardarji - who explaiend to me the history of his people.
This man was very different from the loud, obnoxious NRI/wannabeNRI types or the radical, prejudiced khzalistani types that are normally the type of people from punzjab.
This man was soft spoken, deep thinking and modest.
I met him at a library in New Jersey and he told me his ancestry is from west punjab (now pzxkistan) and he told the story of his people... it makes one question the authority of ganzxdhi and his half-baked, weak kneed policies taken without any nationalist foresight or deep empathy - that have destroyed centuries of labor of Indian people :
Apparently, sikhs,dogras, gurjars and gurkas were the only people who supported british during the 1857 rebellion while marathzs, brzxmins, rajzputs & mzxlims fought against them.
In view of the critical role played by sikhs, british govt gave each soldier large quantities of land after retirement.. but not in some fertile part of punzxjab..
They gave them the worst part of punjab - to the west of Lahore till baluchistan. The land was rocky and covered with dense forests.
The sikh settler took this as a challenge.. for 3 generations they cleared this land out of snakes, rocks, wild shrubs and forests.. all the while fighting balochi/pazxshtun thieves who would raid their small camps and steal food or kidnap women.
Re: West Punjab - case to indict Ganzxdhi
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 03:26 AM
After inhuman labor they managed to make the land fertile, they were getting ready to reap the benefits of it.. when the call for independence came.. they participated in that too.
And then out of blue, Gandhi and nezxhru decided that west punzxjab must be given away to mzxlims under the garb of a new country called pzxkistan !
The funny thing here was - this so-called "maha-atma" never bothered to consult a single SIKH farmer from west punjab, who actually struggled tooth and nail to make the land fertile from the banjar soil it was in the past..
Ganzxdhi of course asked them to just ignore trivial issues like "Land ownership" and "who made land fertile, who farms the land... and who have ancestral ties to land since time immemorial"...
Where is justice here ?
Really, I kinda understand the mindset of some sikzh people who feel betrayed by inzcdia.. and how people like ganzcdhi have made it worse for ethnic Indian people -by denying them sympathy, supporting stealing their land and property.
Re: Re: West Punjab - case to indict Ganzxdhi
by satyarthi on Apr 01, 2011 03:37 AM
The story may be true like all other stories of human suffering during partition. But blaming Gandhiji for making of pakistan is incorrect assessment. Formation of pakistan (an artificial nation) was an outcome of xian mslm plot against humankind.
Re: Re: Re: West Punjab - case to indict Ganzxdhi
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 03:42 AM
If gzxndhi is not to be blamed for partition, who needs to be ?
Was it inevitable ?
Who encouraged and sustained radiczal iszxlam through khilafat ?
I guess we are so used to living in a country that refuses to hold certain ICONIC people accountable for their mistakes, that we just keep making same mistakes repeatedly...
Re: Re: Re: Re: West Punjab - case to indict Ganzxdhi
by satyarthi on Apr 01, 2011 03:49 AM
Formation of pakistan was an outcome of World War II. Partition was simply a process. Gandhiji lost the battle, because nehru and many others did not support him to keep on agitating for free but united Bharat.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: West Punjab - case to indict Ganzxdhi
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 04:13 AM
Nope, you are beating around the bush to exculpate Gandhi and trivialize his role in partition.
If WW-II was responsible for partition how come none of the 2 dozen odd countries that got freedom after WW-II got partitioned on religious lines like India was ?
Partition was a result of Khizlafat movement - which created new sense of PAN-iszlamic consciousness among mzxlims (think of it as hzcindutva with a naxzi/ fascist touch)...
Ganzxdhi was singularly responsible, to bring it to mainstream and give it a centre stage at a national level.
This was the main reason why RSS was formed - to counter the pzxn-islazmic unity movement through a pan-hzcindu movement cutting across all castes and regions.
Re: Re: West Punjab - case to indict Ganzxdhi
by Jehan Mir on Apr 01, 2011 05:20 AM
The Sikhs should have joined Muslims and stayed in Pakistan.They would have kept their lands.Instead,they elected to join Hindus and massacred Muslims.You cannot blame Gandhi for their bad judgment.
Re: Re: Re: West Punjab - case to indict Ganzxdhi
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 07:01 AM
In retrospect, they made the right choice coz sikhs are now one of the most prosperous and well off communities in the country..
They now occupy all top positions in India from PM to chief of staff to finance secretary.
On the other hand, they r subjected to beheading and wearing yellow stars in pazxkistan.
BTW, the big IF remains this:
"If" there was no khilzafat movement, mzxlims and hzcindus and sikhs would all been happier and not radicalized at all.
#1 there would be no partition
#2 no Mzxlim league formed, no radicalization of jinna would occur
#3 No RSS or No Akazli parties formed either
mzxlims would be liberal and inter-marriage would be common between us... and together we'd devise a mutually acceptable common culture.
If you look at mzxlims living in south - parts of Andhra and Tamil Nadu - you'll realize that its not impossible for hzcindus and mxlims to live together peacefully.
If nothing falase is written about Gandhi then why would people get upset.... It is your duty to justify what you wrote...at the same time just blindly banning the book without being read by a unibased committe is wrong.
Gandhi sowed the seeds of distrust between hindus and Muslims, he gave first prime Ministership to Nehru instead of deserving Sardar Patel, it's his faults that we are reaping now. Gandhi and Nehru family completely made India a backward and scam filled country.
Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by aaaa bbbb on Apr 01, 2011 02:55 AM
how foolish you are....as if you only knew Sardar patel is better than nehru and all that...if patel had been made PM you would say Nehru was better and Patel spoiled india..!!!!! Because of the leadership of nehru we are much better industraiily and scientifcally... Scam and corruption are because people are electing leaders like Karunandhi,Pawar,Maywawathi,Moily and devegowda though people have better options..
Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by Herry on Apr 01, 2011 02:50 AM
Forget past live in present and think about future... Until when you wnna keep blaming Gandhi.... for next 200 years...
Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 01, 2011 03:26 AM
For ever or for as long as his picture is on the bank notes for as long as he is being called mahatma (which he is not) and for as long as he is called father of the nation(which he is not). He was against Sikhs and we the sikhs will keep on calling SonOf ABitch. Including Nehru. Sooner these two IDIOTS ARE FORGOTTEN THE BETTER. OUR BIGGEST BITTERNESS WITH GANDHI IS OVER THE KILLING OF JALLIAN WALA BAGH, WHEN HE BACKED THE BRITISH SAYING THAT THE GATHERING SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKE PLACE TO START WITH AND THE GATHERING WAS RELIGIOUS AND NOT A POLITICAL ONE. NEHRU BACKED HIM. IT WAS ONLY IN 1962 JUST BEFORE HIS DEATH THAT NEHRU AGREED THAT THE KILLING WAS WRONG. BY THEN IT WAS TO LATE. HORSE HAD BOLTED FROM THE STABLES AND IT WAS NO USE CLOSING THE GATE AFTERWARD. OUR HEROS AND FATHERS OF THE NATION ARE BHAGAT SINGH,RAJGURU,SUKHDEV,KARTAR SINGH SARABA AND UDHAM SINGH WHO SHOT DEAD O'DWYER at a meeting of the Royal Central Asian Society in Caxton Hall, London on 13 March 1940. These are our true heroes and not this Gandhi.
Re: Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 03:56 AM
Sheetal ji, I understand..
Gandzxhi was a true enemy of all ETHNIC Indian people..
He only furthered the interests of radzcial mslims, nazxis, turkish anti-kemal imperialists and the szxcckularists who are like slzves to these people (as they are easily scared by aggressors and put up the white surrender flag).
Throughout his life, he acted against interests of sikzxhs and hzcindus.
Hope he is rotting in hezll along with hzxitler, mzxssolini and stzlin.
Re: Re: Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 04:05 AM
I dont despise ganzcdhi as much for him acting against hzcindu or sikzxh interests...
I despise him more for his blatant hypocricy and DECEPTIVE mentality and following attributes:
a) his inhumanity towards the victims of genocides - armenian, jewish, hzcindu.. the only victims he ever cared about were of izxlamic and bzritish persuasion - owing to his fear of those people.
b) taking far reaching critical decisions based on personal spiritual quests but not on careful deliberation
c)refusal to support DHARMA against ADHARMA, but rather believe that nonviolence is more important than DHARMA itself.
Re: Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by JaiHanumaan on Apr 01, 2011 03:38 AM
this sheetal kaur .. though she is a wonam uttering shuch rubbish .. she is definitely a raaxkshxasi .. she need to tonsured and her nose need to be cut , just like laksman cut the nose of supankha .. with her all these ppl she is mentioning ..
Re: Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by aaaa bbbb on Apr 01, 2011 03:44 AM
are u mad sheetal kaur?... think sensibly, understand meaningfully by proof ... dont get carried by your border country partners..
Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by aaaa bbbb on Apr 01, 2011 02:59 AM
some people dont even realise that but for ahimsa of gandhi indians would have died in millions like europe,japan,china in 1940s...
Re: Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by sabyasachi mukherjee on Apr 01, 2011 03:29 AM
get your history right!! When did millions die in any of these places ?
The British were weakened by the Germans during the World War and that was the primary reason for leaving India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: gandhi sowed we all reap
by aaaa bbbb on Apr 01, 2011 03:46 AM
please go through history u will know the full details of why millions died in these countries...
Re: Cheap sensationalism. But this is true
by aaaa bbbb on Apr 01, 2011 03:48 AM
in democracy talking to the PM of ur neigbour is coward??? are u mad or what...
Gandzxhi represents the worst of Indian mazxsculinity.. he was only superficially honest and sincere.. deep down, he was a bundle of self-contradictions.
A man with so much concern for TRUTH and HONESTY and SINCERITY could actually go OUT of his way and
#1 explain away the mophlah massacres of Malabar coast of up to 10,000 hzcindus (a direct result of his own blunder of giving extremist mzxlims political space and voice at national level) as trivial and even justified !
#2 Refuse any sympathy or even mention of 3 million armenians who were victims of turkish gencide and imperialism in WW-I, which made it a moral crime to even support this khzlafat movement.
#3 Deny any sympathy to jews even after Nzzi holocaust and asked them to go back to their respective european countries, refusing to acknowledge the holocaust and genocide.
#4 visiting noakhali in east bengal during suhrawardy's direct action that led to razpes of hundreds of hzcindu women in that town, refuse to even acknowledge those events ever occurred and deny justice to victims of those atrocities ?
What kind of stubborn, sick man is this - who refuses to look at reality as it occurs and instead lives in his own fantasy world... refuses that genocides ever took place... always sides with perpetrators of genocides rather than victims ?
Name ONE instance where he was on the side of victims than aggressors ?
Re: To devdatt
by aaaa bbbb on Apr 01, 2011 03:04 AM
You are talking as if there were no mzlims in india before gandhi!!!! what our forefathers have done for the last 1400 years..when our thoiusands of temples looted and destroyed killing so many millions of hindus....so it is weak kingdoms... right ??? So gandhi might have realized the basic pacifist approach of hindus and chose the alternate way to protect hindus
Re: To devdatt
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 02:32 AM
I really wish that some1 had put a bullet into this fraud-atma right after his decision to support ALI BROS and khilzafat movement, while kick starting a NATIONAL level movement in favor of restoring TURKISH EMPIRE.
That itself shows how low this man was and to what extent he would go in politics to appease izxlamic radicals.
BTW, at that time, ordinary mzxlims found NO connection with ordinary turks.. they were not politically or socially organized and lived more or less peacefully with hzcindus.
Jinna wanted to modernize them and create a new kemal style turkish revolution rather than hurl them back into medieval ages through a pan-islzmic khizlafat movement, which he thought was religious extremism at its worst.
Gazndhi was not a smart person or even had either the well being of mzxlims or hzcindus in his mind..
He only saw ALI BROS as a ticket to his immediate political goal - success of non-coop moveemnt and establishing himself as the leader of congzxss party.
Re: Re: To devdatt
by Kris Kane on Apr 01, 2011 02:38 AM
Basically, a "what if" scenario is this:
If ganzcdhi hadnt shown up in Indian political scene and supported the khilazvt movement, congzxxx would've been taken over by Netaji and pre-1930s Jinna... than nezhru and post-1930s jinna/alibros.
Mzxlims of india would be more like mzxlims of Turkey, central asia... free spirited and sezxckular..
And most importantly India would NOT have been divided.. and already on course to being the next super power.
It was due to Ganzchi's shameless efforts at appeasing ali bros - that caused jinna into morph into a new character...
A separatist who would choose the gandhi-nehru constructed "pan-radizxal iszlam" platform to propell himself into leadership position of entire mslim community.
