Commendable work done by Japan, they proved how to challenge nature by having such a efficient disaster management, not like india which depends upon mercy of colorful gods....
We have nuclear plants in Mumbai and Chennai. How will we ever evacuate people if need be. This tragedy should be a warning to India and all countries going nuke
I feel its high time now atleast our UPA govt headed by MMS wakes up reconsiders the decision to set up massive nuclear power plants. The Japanese must have taken maximum possible precautions in building there nuclear plants and see the results. These things can happen any where and consequences in India could be un thinkable. Pls MMS wake up and dont make it a prestige issue for the sake of nation
Re: NUCLEAR PLANT AND MMS
by Young Indian on Mar 13, 2011 01:57 AM
You are right. The West and Japanese have higher standards of safety. They also have elaborate procedures for handling such events, which we Indians do not have and do not attach much importance to. Imagine how our politicians, bureaucrats and scientists would have dealt with a similar situation. They would take a week to declare an emergency.
Re: NUCLEAR PLANT AND MMS
by Al Ringer on Mar 13, 2011 12:02 AM
Yes. Nuclear energy comes with high risks. India as a country with huge population all across the country should be very careful about adopting this technology in a massive scale.
Every country will be watching closely and learning lessons from this incident in Japan. Are our Indian Politicians, Bureaucrats and Technocrats also doing the same?
that there is no God... I mean first these poor japanese got nuked by our big boss twice... then also, they built their country with hard work and dedication, but still there is no fairness to them even by nature, they got screwed over by nature too...... gives me only two options.. either God hates japanese, or he doesn't exists...
Re: all this proves....
by Shamkant Patankar on Mar 14, 2011 10:35 AM
Before getting nuked the Japanese attacked USA at pearl harbour. It attacked and performed untold atrocities on the Chinese, captured all of Asia and wanted to invade India with the designs of capturing INDIA to enslave India in place of British. Altough they didnot suceed Japanese did try. Japanese along with hitler formed axis and drafted a memerandum to rule the world The pasting they got from USA was justified including the nuke bomb There is a GOd and he punishes people for their sins. Earler Japanese ate whales now whale are eating Japanase
Re: all this proves....
by icshyderabad on Mar 12, 2011 11:55 PM
I understand your anguish. But one thing i would like to help you to remember. During Bhopal Gas leak, when scores died, ppl who were doing daily chore with agni were saved - it was documented also.
Re: all this proves....
by chandrasekar r on Mar 12, 2011 11:44 PM
God knows what he is doing; but the Japanese does not feel for their whale killing and aborted foetus eating culture???
We should not go for power generation from nuclear reactors. First of all , it is not cheap power.Then there is always danger of radiation and accidents which can create havoc with the health of the people. The Western countries are interested in getting big business from India by selling their expensive reactors and our government seems to be interested in helping the rich nations.
Re: Nuclear Power
by sumanta chakrabarti on Mar 13, 2011 12:01 AM
Now Comunist should be happy to find a suitable excuse for opposing the neclear agreement.
Re: Nuclear Power
by satish salvi on Mar 12, 2011 11:49 PM
no actually it is not fully true.as the growing demand of our country has to fulfill quickly and effectvely.the hydroelectric power has limited power capacity. Thermal power also has same problem.then solar & wind power has installation capacity probleam so The option is only necular power though it has some danger but it can provide undistrubed power for century.
Re: Nuclear Power
by Ipsita S on Mar 12, 2011 11:20 PM
the alternate you propose is? The dangers and risks are there in all the current options. Solar is not yet breaking even. Other not yet practical for base load. As to the cost of nuclear power, a big part of the cost is insurance and regulatory - caused by the ignorant scaremongering as evidenced in this forum.
Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by kakkera chowdary on Mar 12, 2011 11:37 PM
r u head of any nuclear plant in India or out side India. Why do u support Nuclear power generation. Solar is best alternate but coslty. Wind mills can be considered but not.. why? why the govt is more intrested towards deals with other countries.. it means more corruption. The thing is we should respect the nature. by doing all this we are not.. THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL is one movie which has the all answers to each human on this earth.
Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by Ipsita S on Mar 12, 2011 11:45 PM
wind mills for base power load? I am afraid that this isn't possible. As to the govt being interested in deals and kickbacks, that is a separate issue. We need to tackle that. Why blame nuclear plats for that? There's corruption in defence deals. Do we stop these deals or do we try and eliminate the corruption? Let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by hiral joshi on Mar 12, 2011 11:49 PM
Why cant wind mills suffice base power load? The need is to invest in R&D of energy storage and its distribution. Wind and Solar has much larger potential than we can tap. In a country where simple chemical factory leakage can kill thousands, Nuclear plant leakage would be a disaster. In recent N-Deal most of the sites identified for N-plant installation are coastal and all are practically under threat of Tsunamis and Earthquakes.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by Ipsita S on Mar 12, 2011 11:58 PM
perhaps you are mixing your desire of what should happen with what actually is. We cant use wind mills for base power load because by definition base power source needs to be a stable large source that is available through out the year. This is the current reality. I am not saying it can't change in the future. It can. But as things are today, it isn't.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by hiral joshi on Mar 13, 2011 12:07 AM
Things wont change unless people press govts for it. With proper storage and distribution mechanism wind alone can suffice base power load. You need a grid for it with integrated distribution system and storage.
Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by hiral joshi on Mar 12, 2011 11:42 PM
Why to wait for becoming Solar break even? Cant we invest in R&D to make it break even? It is a loose statement to call others not yet practical for base load, but ironically India produces more power from renewable sources (hydro excluded) than Nuclear Power. Scaremongering is not ignorant, it is for real and that is already seen in Japan. Soon you'll hear about Caesium contamination of water bodies in Fukushimo region and practically water will be not potable for many days. After meltdown these plants will take few years to attain normal operation.
Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by Ipsita S on Mar 12, 2011 11:50 PM
a lot of companies and schools are doing R&D to advance the technology. But we are not there yet. One problem people are not weaning off is the explicit and implicit subsidy on petroleum and coal based power. To make it fair, a huge pollution cost should be added to their prices. And the last time i checked there hasn't been a fallout in Fukushimo yet.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by hiral joshi on Mar 12, 2011 11:56 PM
Check the statement of Japanese PM, they confirmed nuclear meltdown and leakage from Fukushimo Plant-1. However radiation level has dropped substantially still the region's water bodies may have radioactive caesium for many days.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by hiral joshi on Mar 13, 2011 12:15 AM
Where did I advocated Thermal plant over Nuclear? Nuclear energy sector is in its nascent stage compared to Thermal and more accidents in Nuclear plants would change the scenario.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear Power
by Ipsita S on Mar 13, 2011 12:10 AM
the only fair way to decide this is (1) ignore noise and scaremongering (2) compare financial cost, pollution cost and life cost on a gigawatt basis. As things stand today, coal based plants are the only ones that provide the base load power. Once you add the pollution surcharge due to carbon emissions and flyash, and also add insurance/regulatory costs to make it apple to apple comparison with nuclear power, you will see that cost wise they are similar. Now add the number of deaths in the last 50 years due pollutions, coal mining and compare that with deaths due to nuclear plants, you will see that this is a slam dunk case. Thermal plants are evil.
Re: Nuclear Power
by PRADYUMNA PANDEY on Mar 13, 2011 12:06 AM
It is one thing to argue for/against technilogies but engineering is not about faith. All technologies grow to become safe, economical, reliable, etc. Unfortunately, Indians are rarely involved in any development. They can only argue for/against as here. No need to get emotional. As an engineer, I can say, we are lucky to have alternatives. All alternatives are good. Only time will tell how it progresses. Any setbacks further boost research and development. All existing technologies developed slowly from imperfection to perfection. many people died perfecting the steam boilers and air planes. today, however, we do have reliable boilers and airplanes. Same can be said for wind and solar power. They too have their uses and shall develop. No case for either/or this/that. Again Indians can only argue emotionally for/against various issues. But technology develops all the same.
Re: and hon'ble PM manmohanJI is importing 48 such nukes into in
by Ipsita S on Mar 12, 2011 11:14 PM
Quit scaremongering. yes, nuclear plants "can" kill. Meanwhile, thermal power plants kill more people each month than nuclear plats have killed over the entire history. Have you ever visited an area near a thermal plant? The fly ash kills multiple generations in one shot. The pollution caused by them also kills uncountable many. And don't even get started on the associated coal mining industry that kills 1000s each year. But don't bother. Let's not let facts get in the way of scaremongering.
Re: Re: and hon'ble PM manmohanJI is importing 48 such nukes int
by Jay on Mar 12, 2011 11:29 PM
There is a big difference when there is an explosion. You are wrong to assume that the damage from Nuclear plant will be similar or less than others.
Re: Re: Re: and hon'ble PM manmohanJI is importing 48 such nukes
by Ipsita S on Mar 12, 2011 11:35 PM
i'll wait to hear what proposal you give to Japan to meet its energy needs.
Re: Re: Re: Re: and hon'ble PM manmohanJI is importing 48 such n
by Jay on Mar 12, 2011 11:43 PM
Solar plants may become cheap in near future and may replace others eventually.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: and hon'ble PM manmohanJI is importing 48 su
by Ipsita S on Mar 12, 2011 11:53 PM
i meant today. Not what might happen in the future.
Re: and hon'ble PM manmohanJI is importing 48 such nukes into in
by apply now on Mar 12, 2011 11:30 PM
Don't bring Mao's tricks here.Communists can never rule india and BJP is not going to do that again as they need coffin scandals to survive
