203 messages so far? Most of them from people with no identification and majority of the comments are irrelevant.Nandan Nilekani was appointed by a democratically elected government and he is doing a job like you and me and getting paid.The pros and cons of having a UID for every citizen were discussed ,debated, criticized before it started.The so called human right activist and the author of this article seems to live in a fantacy world.There are Pakistanis,Bengla deshis, Sri lankans, and God only knows how many terrorists,looters, thieves, rapists are in India. If theses doubting Thamases could and have the will, let them check how many countries in this world have adopted this system successfully.
Re: Re: UID
by rama anne on Feb 07, 2011 08:51 AM
Darwin UIID is not for stopping 9/11 or 7/7 in India For that we have new boats ,,border patrolling etc
UIID is a social project ,,to deliver govt rations to Rural Labourers who migrate to construction sites
2.Farm labourers and other Daily wage earners who earn daily wages
Without UIID ,,they have to goto designated panchayat office Bldg at certain timings to get rations ,,as it is hardcoded into a Ledger Book by a clerk
It is error prone ,duplication and black market selling of rations
So UIID will solve these issues It is a Social Project to help masses at the bottom of Pyramid
Re: UID
by Indrajit Kumar on Feb 07, 2011 10:14 AM
Bang on Mr. Nair! Such so called activists are paid agents of foreign intelligence agencies who want to subvert every right thing (very few of them in our sham and chaotic democraczy!)left. No system or person in this world is perfect . We always have to trade options weighing pros and cons. UID is one of the best things in recent times(after RTI) to have happened in our crazy system thanks to Nandan and his vision!Go. Krishna, first look into cast based deceisive census then comment on anything else.
Re: Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by E darwin on Feb 07, 2011 02:38 AM
Re: s0nia's strategic plans to target 'non-conforming' indians
this is why they call it SELECTIVE EVM rigging. in bihar election, congress was so un-popular that they diverted votes of Lallo to the congress "hidden nexxus partner" BJP.
once lallo RJD does not obey or is killed, congress will eat up it's votes.
even independents are used , smaller parties like PRP (chiranjeevi)/etc are propped by rigging people.
Re: Re: Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by rama anne on Feb 07, 2011 06:49 AM
UIID IS adopted BY nandan nILKNENNIS book Imagining India
Smt Sonia Gandhi is UPA chair person and endorsed the project but ,,the project idea and all technicalities are by UIID team
So leave UIID scheme ,,if you wnat target Smt Sonia or Congress party do so with other issues UIID is a scheme Many many NRI Indians left jobs in USA to join the project ,,as they believe by working on this project ,,they will help people of India
Re: Re: Re: Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by E darwin on Feb 07, 2011 08:23 AM
i dont care for people who are sold out to videshi garbage. UID is just aping videshi system.
NRIs are good, but that is not their fault, they did what they were asked to do.
Re: Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by rama anne on Feb 07, 2011 06:44 AM
Hi Darwin you have been posting lots of messages like BJP CONGRESS nexus cartels etc you quote Bihar elections ,,we all know that they have taken place quite peacefully
I do not believe your theory at all what proof have u really got about BJP CONGRESS nexus
UIID records ,,only biometric info and names ,,not religious beliefs
Re: Re: Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by E darwin on Feb 07, 2011 08:21 AM
i dont care for people who are sold out to videshi garbage. UID is just aping videshi system.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by E darwin on Feb 07, 2011 08:24 AM
NRIs are good, but that is not their fault, they did what they were asked to do by nilekani.
Re: Re: Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by E darwin on Feb 07, 2011 08:26 AM
the facts about dirty works of congress-bjp nexxus can be seen when PRP (chiranjevi) joined congress ... it showed why congress propped him.
BJP stuffed bofors during their rule.
more and more examples of BJP and Congress kickback mafia. Selective EVM rigging, etc.
Obedience can lead to great disasters with Western political tools.
Hence, the dangers need to be spelt out in great detail.
This is education.
You are free to dismiss it as paranoia, fame-seeking, egotism, or whatever else, but the fact is that people still worship political leaders in rural India.
Since we have an obedience culture, we must know what the combination of technology and "modern" (read false) democracy can create.
How many Indians have watched V for Vendetta?
How many Indians know exactly what Ahimsa and Satyagraha are?
How many Indians know that Gandhiji is on record saying that the best target for use of an atomic bomb would be Imperial Britain?
Gandhi was a master strategist, much more than he is presented as a spiritual man.
Satyagraha was a tool for the time and the land.
Wikileaks and "V for Vendetta" stuff is today's need for the time and land.
The surveillance society is a reality in most Western "democracies" which we blindly ape.
They are mostly kleptocracies and plutocracies.
We know it here, but we dont do anything about it.
How many protests have you physically attended?
So you see, this point of view MUST be put out for education.
Re: Re: This is education and it is necessary in public rule
by rama anne on Feb 07, 2011 06:50 AM
does not make sense one conspiracy theorist supports another just like one sheep follows another very bad
WHAT: to use UID's and EVM's as her strategic hi-tech tools.
WHEN: in future elections, where EVM's r in play.
WHO: she strategically places "her" men, who technologically control the EVM's.
HOW: #1: EVM's record your UID and your vote.
#2: this data is saved for s0nia: IT DETERMINES IF U ARE WITH HER, OR AGAINST HER. #3: "her men" - trained from before, hit some keys/commands, locally or with an external "remote-control", TO: - change your UID, - change your vote, - IN FAVOUR OF CONG-PARTY.
#4: "cong" is "officially declared" the WINNER , by "her men" in the Election-Commission (remember last year, when cong won by a LANDSLIDE??).
#5: s0nia now knows you voted AGAINST HER ! she uses her Income-Tax and other deptts, in deadly pursuit of ALL THOSE WHO DIDNOT VOTE FOR HER!
Re: s0nia's strategic plans to target 'non-conforming' indians
by Devdutt Nayak on Feb 06, 2011 11:19 PM
India has this wonderful system of checks and balances.
We have the BJP, the Left, and each have their press / media instruments.
Relax.
What we really have to fear is everyone of them agreeing to a certain amount of lying to the public so that they all stay in Parliament.
That is what has now happened.
It is a class struggle.
But then since anyone can stand for election, things often change suddenly, like Nitish Kumar.
And it is good that we have many castes, many religions, many causes and many aspirants.
Re: s0nia's strategic plans to target 'non-conforming' indians
by E darwin on Feb 07, 2011 02:24 AM
this is why they call it SELECTIVE EVM rigging. in bihar election, congress was so un-popular that they diverted votes of Lallo to the congress "hidden nexxus partner" BJP.
once lallo RJD does not obey or is killed, congress will eat up it's votes.
even independents are used , smaller parties like PRP (chiranjeevi)/etc are propped by rigging people.
Writing names on applications for jobs, loans etc should be prohibited. OnlY UID no. is sufficient. This will stop religious and other racial disintegration
Re: WE SHOULD USE UID no. only , no names to bring unity
by Gajanan on Feb 06, 2011 11:30 PM
First thing first: Chnage your user name on rediff, it reveals your religion. Now coming to your suggestion: Yes, it is another way of hiding the true identity as terrorists, anti-nationals, tax evaders and other miscreants do.
Re: WE SHOULD USE UID no. only , no names to bring unity
by G Krishnan on Feb 07, 2011 01:36 AM
Aziz, once the details are consolidated the racial. caste, language,bank balances and other assets and virtually all informations which we would like keep it as private will be available with one touch. Where can we escape the disintegration once it is in wrong hands which anyway we are finding it day in day out to be so in our country. Can you trust our govt. machinery to keep anything secret. It will be like Radia tapes or selected revealations which we note evry day.
what ???? Tax? most of the transactions are un reported. which world you live???
SO CHILDISH.
will sonia and rahul broker use UID to get kickback in foreign account??
UID is cattle numbering, dont worry about usa/BRITAIN, we cannot copy anything and everything videshi do. They are not the measure for indians.
vaaha phar dual marking hein for CERTAIN people on different basis. We dont want that in people i.e indians classified eventually.
THIS IS WHAT all evil looks good initially. Nehru look great, but his party was running ticket (mp/mla) distribution/racketeering which they call Indian democracy or inner party democracy (which was/is actually despotic ).
Re: rainmaker-Re: Not one issue raised is relevant
by E darwin on Feb 06, 2011 10:12 PM
apart from above concerns, UID will lead to people profiling quite like the concerns that world has about racial profiling.
How laughable and concocted. This person believes that the Nazi excesses happened due to the SS numbers and wants us to read his imagined vices of the system. It is difficult to imagine that we have social works who does not understand that society is dynamic and their role is to aid and abut its change. The entire argument is retrogressive.
Re: UID and Paranoia
by E darwin on Feb 06, 2011 09:42 PM
anything that videsh do is good for india. look at the shytee india is in, we have videshi President of congress. what more, she is key figure in mafia type hidden operations of bjp-congress nexxus.
Re: UID and Paranoia
by Praveen Goud on Feb 06, 2011 10:15 PM
What is laughable about Nazi excesses. Nazi regime and SS team used the unique identification to know the details of Jews during holocaust. You get to know the details of his financial status, attached back details, his address. That doesn't mean will happen the same way. We need to have accountable monitoring system that avoids exploitation of personal details for hate and harassment profiling.
If Digvijay Singh wants the details of all MP related RSS pracharaks, with just a single click , he will be able to get all the details of RSS pracharaks.
If Sonia Gandhi wants the details of all Narendra Modi patrons for political harassment, with single click in a second, you get all the details.
If the database falls into bad guy or political enemies, consequences and damage will he huge.
Automation is necessary and good. With no accountability and transparency from institutions of democracy, citizens will suffer more than the benefits its going to give them.
