Re: Advocate General of Kerala-K P Dhandapani Statement onTOI 3rd
by Indian on Dec 12, 2011 02:13 PM
if kerala government had any ill intention, they would have sacked the AG - who belongs to TN as far as i gathered. the government is with the AG. so, some parties continue to poke their note in the issue just for political gains only. we general public must just ignore them and when they get another issue, the drama will shift to that. anyway, no one from Kerala has said that water will not be supplied to TN nor the smooth water supply has been affected. so, it is only a drama, which we must enjoy .. thats it...do not take them seriously as nothing is going to happen
If safety is the real issue, there can be lot of things done without touching the existing dam. But, the real issue is to have control over the water since Idukki Dam doesn't receive water as expected.Second issue is that if the storage level is increased, lot of illegal resorts built by the Kerala politicians will be gone. Hoping to get a positive judgement, these people constructed illegal structures left and right. But the court and the neutral expert panel formed by the SC found out the baseless allegation and ordered the KL Govt not to do anything in the way of raising the water level. If it is a law abiding state, KL should have kept quiet after beaten by the SC verdict. Instead, it passed a new Bill against the SC order, believing they can fool all Indians particularly Tamils.The crocodile tear slogan " water for TN and safety for KL" was torn apart by their own Advocate General in the High court. The poor AG is made to cry now for telling the truth. What can he do? He is not a politician to make false statements everyday. If the AG says something it has to be proved by documents. His position will also be questioned by TN in SC. If there is actually a disease , there can be some medicine given. When there is no disease and only fear psychosis, who can help !
Re: Basheer fan pained by illiterate mallus
by Indian on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM
all these problems are due to political interference. in case people want an amicable solution, then experts/people having knowledge on the issue sit around the table, discuss it and find a solution... unwarranted political interference is killing the good relations people have had
Re: Re: Basheer fan pained by illiterate mallus
by bashir on Dec 12, 2011 01:05 PM
Yes they sat and gave a judgement in 2006 to rise the water level to 142 ft. But the keralites who otherwise claim themselves to be the law abiding citizens, ignored the judgement, passed their own resolution in the assembly not to rise the level of water. SO you think TN government bribed the CWC expert panel and the supreme court judges to give judgment in favor of them? 80K farmers have rallied in the border districts without any provocation from any tamil politician and the uprising has more to do with injustice meted to them during 2006 rather than the current development. The grapeyard owners who are suffering huge losses now becoz of non-transportation of grapes are ready to bear the loss for the common cause. First time in the recent TN histoy has come, where people have come together for their cause. Don't play with their emotions or you will face serious consequences that i have reported before.
Re: Re: Re: Basheer fan pained by illiterate mallus
by Indian on Dec 12, 2011 02:03 PM
people are making the issue more complex day by day, instead of finding a solution. what politicians want this only. what do we fight for ? we general public just keep quite and never do anything that hampers good relations between the people. let the politicians bark and after sometime, they will get some other issue and would leave this. we general public, living in this part of the world, must ignore them and live as usual. do not spread any false propoganda and incite people. i heard that women were sexually harassed. it is absolutely false propoganda to create more hatred. there is nothing like that so far as i gathered and i do not think people will indulge in such cheap activity
Re: Re: Re: Re: Basheer fan pained by illiterate mallus
by bashir on Dec 12, 2011 02:17 PM
Is that anything relevant to what i have posted before? I asked why KL did not abide by law and rise the water level to 142ft when the supreme court asked them to do so? You seem to write with alcohol influence and that is the reason, a simple question that i have asked does not get an answer from you. And nothing is false propaganda here. I accept the fact that there is been attacks on keralites owned businesses in TN but that is only in retaliation to what they have done to the TN estate workers. They were sexuallyHarassed and the police have been watching it without taking any actions. So many malayali girls are staying in Chennai for IT, for education throughout TN. Have you ever heard anyone being harassed by TN youths over the mp issue? Even when the tamil tigers were @ their peak, when they raided the sinhala town, not even a single sinhalese women were touched by the tigers. But history taught us what they did to tamil girls when they capture tamil towns. Don't behave like a sinhalese who does not share any dravidan ancesty with tamils, where us mallus who share the common ancestry are blinded by irresponsible politicians. I pity on them
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Basheer fan pained by illiterate mallus
by Indian on Dec 12, 2011 02:32 PM
so far as raising water level is concerned, i am not an authority to answer you. am just a citizen of india without such powers. but from what i gathered, i want to share with you. the dam was built about 116 years back and its initial life was 50 years. once it has lived its life, we must be cautious as it might not have the capacity to hold such huge pressure with days passing by (you would agree a young man of 20/25 years could easily lift and carry in his shoulders a 20 kg. weight but when the same person becomes 75/80 years old, can we expect him to carry the same weight with same ease. it is not possible). so, the health of the dam has deteriorated with time and we must accept that. as i gathered, kerala has been keeping the water level (even in monsoon season)in idukky dam low in order to ensure that if at all a tragedy happens at MP dam, the water should not move beyond idukky dam. the capacity of idukky is about 74 tmc and even during monsoon,when it receives sufficient water, the dam was being drained out to ensure the level around 55 tmc so that the 11 tmc water - when we keep the MP dam water level around 136 ft. it can hold. kerala has been doing all these as i gathered and all these things have not been made public. there is foul play between political parties and that is the reason why from the beginning i have been saying politicians must stay away from interfering in this issue.
Re: Re: Re: Basheer fan pained by illiterate mallus
by kidilansyam on Dec 12, 2011 06:17 PM
Jayalalitha has herself said that officials have been bribed by TN!!!!!!
On this issue, I wish to draw the attention of all people of TN and Kerala, including the Chief Ministers and other responsible politicians and also the President and Prime Minister of India. In the first instance, there was no need for politicians to publically interfere in the issue, that created a lot of hue and cry as well as hatred amongst people living in this part of India. I guess after the recent tremors felt around the dam, the experts expressed their concern about the health of the dam (though the dam was built with an initial life of 50 years, it has completed over 116 years as of now). When the political parties tried to encash on the issue for their vote banks, all political parties jumped into it and everyone was seen organized for the so called cause of saving lives of people around the dam, etc. This caused tension among people living in this part of the world as for their political gains and vote bank, the politicians have been completely misleading the public and causing resentment. Most of the people in TN even do not know what is the background story and as educated by the politicians, they just know that Kerala is trying to obstruct smooth water supply to TN. Instead of politicizing the issue, responsible officials should have taken up the issue with concerned and discussed it behind the doors and should have found a solution to it.
Re: Mullaperiyar Dam
by Indian on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 AM
The present situation was due to high aspiration for cheap publicity by the politicians, which we general public must realize and do not fall prey to it at all. There are responsible officials to take care of the dam as well as other issues relating to it. Let the concerned responsible officials do their job. My appeal to the politicians in this part of the country is to refrain from unnecessarily getting themselves involved in the issue and let the officials concerned to do their job. Since the issue has reached this far, I feel that the centre must play a vital role before things go out of hand. Let centre appoint an empowered committee, of experts, having thorough knowledge on the issue, without any nominee from TN or Kerala (so that complaints of bias can be avoided) and let the committee look into the matter and recommend further action, which the centre may implement. In case dam strengthening would be sufficient, then go in that direction and if reducing the water level is recommended, implement it and if at all decommissioning existing dam and construction of another dam is the solution, then neither Kerala nor TN should be allowed to do that, but instead, the Central PSU – NHPC may be entrusted the responsibility of construction and its future management. They must ensure that TN gets whatever water/other resources it used to get while simultaneously protecting interest of all.
Re: Mullaperiyar Dam
by Indian on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 AM
Just have a look at the whole recent developments. We find that political interference, without proper homework, has been root cause of current tense situation. The exchequer had to shell out large funds for checking lawlessness due to agitated people in both states, wasted invaluable times of various officials of both states as well as central, caused undue mental strain to many people, etc., besides losses caused due to arson/violence – small scale though till writing this - while we achieved nothing. What was the necessity of all these ?
Re: Re: Mullaperiyar Dam
by Rajesh on Dec 12, 2011 01:19 PM
ullaperiyar: AG’s words may boomerang TNN Dec 3, 2011, 07.11PM IST Tags: Thiruvanchoor Radhakrishnan|The situation THIRUVANATHAPURAM: A U-turn, which many believe will weaken Kerala's case, by the Government complexed the Mullaperiyar row on Friday. The statements of Advocate General K. P. Dhandapani in the High Court and Revenue Minister Thiruvanchoor Radhakrishnan in Thiruvananthapurm, underlining the argument of Tamil Nadu that the dam is safe with a water level of 136 ft, have earned the wrath of politicians cutting across partly lines.
Among those baying for the blood of AG were Opposition leader V. S. Achuthanandan, CPM PB member Kodiyeri Balakrishnan, KPCC chief Ramesh Chennithala, Congress ideologue V.M. Sudheeran, Kerala Congress (Jacob) chairman Johny Nelloore and Kerala Congress (M) leader Roshy Augustine MLA. VS demaded immediate sacking of AG Dhandapani and even hinted at non-cooperation with the all party meeting convened by the state government. VS equated the statements of Thiruvanchoor and Dhandapani and alleged that there was a serious lapse in conducting the case after the UDF government had come to power.
Re: Re: Re: Mullaperiyar Dam
by Indian on Dec 12, 2011 02:08 PM
i guess it is the plot by some political parties, putting the ruling front under pressure and inciting them. just do not take them seriously and leave it. when they get another issue, they will leave this. anyway, no one in Kerala has opposed to giving TN water but the people - i mean politician, expressed concern over health of the dam only. also, water supply from Kerala has also never affected.... just do not create more heatred. what is left for us to do is just watch these clown politicians and enjoy the drama....
Re: Re: Kanji...
by kidilansyam on Dec 12, 2011 06:02 PM
every where in world rice soup is popular.... even thair saadham is just a version of rice soup!!!!
Re: Kanji...
by Guest on Dec 12, 2011 10:56 PM
@nethaji, TN people consuming kanji extensively without knowing it’s real meaning and it’s deep rooting in ancient civilisation!!!'Kanji' is considered as a sacred h1ndu dish called 'rice soup’. ‘kanji sadya' means,To prepare and have kanji in a convenient day in the premise of a temple or home by a group of devotees and swamis before going to Sabarimala.It is famous in southern kerala temples before going for Sabarimala to get blessings from Lord Aiyappa(son of lord siva and mohini(Lord vishnu) /Incarnation of dharmasastha as per h1ndu literature).TN inhabitants lost their mental stability due to va1ko syndrome !!!'Kanji' is a delicious soup normally used in many kerala homes as a medicine (rice soup mixed with ayurvedic medicine).Even kanji available in many hotels also as it is an easy digest food especially for age old people.Hope this clarifies your doubt.
While the protests are justifiable, attack on innocent citizens should be avoided. The best solution would be to, - Construct a new dam - Give full control to TN on the new dam - Terms and conditions of the MP dam should be retained for the new dam This would be the real solution for 'Safety for Kerala and Water for TN'.
Re: Re: ...
by Flavors on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM
It's becoming very obvious that safety is not at all a concern here. Not fair to play the 'threat' card on innocent people living near the dam.
Re: Re: Re: ...
by maverick on Dec 12, 2011 05:49 PM
@Flavors&Sam,
My uncle had a treaty with one fellow tamil in Chennai to control his home (built by someone else).This happened, when he went to Singapore. Though the land was hisown, he agreed the treaty and signed the deal as he was in a mood to make some stra money to reach Singapore. The treaty with that tamil fellow was based on till that house exists and both of the treaty signed persons thought that it would last 1000000 years as their engineering knowledge was so minimum at that time!!!Unfortunately, after 60 years the building showed some weakness and after 100 years the house lost it's load bearing strength. Subsequently, fellow tamilians living very near to that building complained to higher authorities and demanded to demolish it due to safety reason.
Re: Re: Re: Re: ...
by maverick on Dec 12, 2011 05:50 PM
Continued...
In the meantime both treaty signed persons expired due to ill health and age. The responsibility to oversee that home came on to my head. I have no other option to hold it anymore otherwise I could play with the life of innocent tamilians closer to that building.Mean time, power came in to daughter of the Singapore based tamilian (land owner) and she came back to TN to check her assets in TN and if possible to settle down there itself.When I approached her with the same story of 1000 year control of her bulding, she yelled at me,"No problem,You can use the old house for 10000000 years if you are so confident about it structural integrity but you have to provide safety for neighbour tamilians by covering it with massive concrete structures otherwise prepare a legal affidavit which provide compensation to the injured and dead in case of any catastrophic failure happens due to the home under your control"!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ...
by maverick on Dec 12, 2011 05:52 PM
Continued....
I have no other choice other than agree to construct new house at that area as I don't have land over there to construct new house or massive structures to strengthen the old house to avoid sudden collapse of the old house. Moreover I don’t have much money to give as compensation to the dead and injured during the failure of the building as well. Finally I lost the control on the new house as the land belongs to TN lady and she pumped in the whole money for the construction of the new building. I have thought many times to ask for the ownership of the new bulding which constructed by the tamil lady on her land. Obviously, I have no right to ask again the ownership on that new building as I am not that much cheap!! However, she constructed a new building and now I am living as a rented person in her house with affordable rate at TN and running my business in that building and making lot of profit too :-).The Funny thing is that we are still friends and partying in the night.Hope both of you understood what I mean:-)
First understand what I have written and then comment and pls don’t jump in to conclusion as what you did in Srilanka!The new dam will act as a damper,that is my suggestion.if you are confident about the structural integrity of the old dam you can increase the water level after constructing the new dam as keralites want atleast a safety measure to save their life in case the old dam breaks during your wild experiments without having past proven data.Then why you are objecting new dam??As long as old dam is alive, new dam is not coming in to act as a water barrier and you can take the water from old dam itself according to old treaty.Got the logic dude??That means,kerala government is not going to touch the old dam anymore as long as it exists(Anyhow old dam will get expired in the near future due to natural wear,tear and erosion and it is a different subject).Think logically and then jump in to conclusion.We are not at all going to stop our freebies(water from mullaperiyar) to TN friends.
Re: Solution in simple words...
by Rekha Gopalan on Dec 12, 2011 11:15 AM
The issues is not of safety of people which Kerala portrays.
The crux is Kerala is trying to wrest control of the dam. Were someone so serious about the danger of the dam falling, first they would have looked at options of evacuating the current dam - which has not been done.
Let Kerala come out and state unequivocally that the control of the dam (new or old) would remain 100% with TN - status quo as per signed pact.
Re: Re: Solution in simple words...
by maverick on Dec 12, 2011 02:56 PM
@rekha gopalan,
Will you register your newly built house in TN in my name though both of us had a treaty which was written during your fathers time(that time you were a baby) and I had a previlage to control your old house in TN??
Re: Re: Re: Solution in simple words...
by maverick on Dec 12, 2011 03:13 PM
@rekha gopalan,
my treaty with your father was based on till the old house exists,I thought that it would last 10000 years. But,unfortunately, after 100 years the house lost it's strength and fellow tamilians living very near to that home complained to demolish it due to safety reason.I have no other option otherwise I could have play with the life of tamilians closer to that home.Mean time, power came in to your hand(You already grown up in the mean time),When I approached with the same story of 1000 year control,you just asked,"You can use the old one for 1000000000000Years(You might have forgot this) but provide safety for neighbour tamilians otherwise provide compensation in case any catastrophic failure happens due to the home under my control"!!!!I have no other choice other than agree to construct new house at that are.Finally I lost the control on that house and now I am living as a rented person in your house at TN:-).However, we are still friends,I think you understood what I explained:-)
Re: Re: Re: .
by Observer on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 AM
This a$$ is cutting the branch of tree he is sitting on. Tamil Nadu will suffer more if Kerala stop buying things from Tamil Nadu. Kerala can buy all these from Karnataka and Srilanka. Also Kerala can be self sufficient in Vegetables in few months. Kerala has enough colleges now and rest can go to Karnataka. Seats in Tamil Nadu colleges will be more vacant. Already TN colleges lost more than 70% of Kerala students. Kerala can trade only with Karnataka and meet its demands. Muthoot and Alukkas are Billionairs and millionairs respectively. For them its like a hair falling from their body. Keralites can manage their film industry if they can make a Hollywood movie. Tamilians started watching good movies after MGR(a mallu), Gautam menon etc came. Tamilians tasted anything other than Idli/Sambar/Vada after Kerala bakeries started in nook and corner of Tamil Nadu. These people are smart enough and can find green pastures in other states or other countries itself. Whereas for di**r**ty pandis nowhere to go. SriLanka, Malaysia, Singapore, Karnataka and all gave good reply. A Malayalee add value to whereever he is and accept the law of that land and is adaptable which is unlike a Tamil Paa**ndi. Sorry I forgot. Bashir can go to his natural habitat : Tal*iba*n's own Pakistan.
Re: Re: Re: .
by Observer on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 AM
This a$$ is cutting the branch of tree he is sitting on. Tamil Nadu will suffer more if Kerala stop buying things from Tamil Nadu. Kerala can buy all these from Karnataka and Srilanka. Also Kerala can be self sufficient in Vegetables in few months. Kerala has enough colleges now and rest can go to Karnataka. Seats in Tamil Nadu colleges will be more vacant. Already TN colleges lost more than 70% of Kerala students. Kerala can trade only with Karnataka and meet its demands. Muthoot and Alukkas are Billionairs and millionairs respectively. For them its like a hair falling from their body. Keralites can manage their film industry if they can make a Hollywood movie. Tamilians started watching good movies after MGR(a mallu), Gautam menon etc came. Tamilians tasted anything other than Idli/Sambar/Vada after Kerala bakeries started in nook and corner of Tamil Nadu. These people are smart enough and can find green pastures in other states or other countries itself. Whereas for di**r**ty pandis nowhere to go. SriLanka, Malaysia, Singapore, Karnataka and all gave good reply. A Malayalee add value to whereever he is and accept the law of that land and is adaptable which is unlike a Tamil Paa**ndi. Sorry I forgot. Bashir can go to his natural habitat : Tal*iba*n's own Pakistan.
Re: Re: Re: Re: .
by Tamil Lover on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 AM
kerala have more colleges but no fatories. Still people have to be,g TN or gulf states for jobs. U mentioned bakery? in your dictionary road side tea stall called bakery? poorly educated you. All men already gone out to TN or gulf countries for job. So lot of mistakes happen, you are one of the result of mistakes
