Don't give too much importance for Obama's visit.Most of US president's are business minded. They only think their profit. As per our tradition let we treat him as a guest(ATHITHI DEVO BHAV)
Re: Re: OBAMA
by Hello India on Oct 16, 2010 07:26 PM
what is the problem in it, everybody think about himself first, so he is. Who do you think stopping Indian and its PM to grow upto the level of thinking and talk in the same language.
Re: Re: Re: OBAMA
by Kaka on Oct 16, 2010 08:16 PM
Correct, every country does the same, looks for business and trade opportunities when their PMs and Presidents visit overseas. Did not our own PM and Pres do the same when they go abroad? It is a fact and a part of the world we live in today.
Re: Not expecting much
by One Liner on Oct 16, 2010 11:40 PM
Unfortunately he had to say he is a christian because 'secular' minded US does not allow anyone other than a christian or Jew to be the president. So much for their tolerance and blah blah
Re: Re: Not expecting much
by akshaya deshpande on Oct 17, 2010 12:34 AM
We should not blame the Americans for not wanting or fully trusting a Mujslim President. What the US is today or ideally about 30 years ago is entirely because of the Christian/Protestant values inculcated in them. If the US had Islamic values, it would have surely had Islamic results as we saw, Iran-Iraq, Af-Pak,other Islamic countries. The 9/11 and ground zero mosque have created a sharp awareness and polirization in Americans. That does seem to be natural and quite right.
Re: Re: Not expecting much
by akshaya deshpande on Oct 17, 2010 12:37 AM
The whole free world, non-Islamic world and Americans feel the same way. Obama is quietly but resolutely fighting for the Islamic cause, at the cost of America, Israel and indeed the entire European world.
India and China has civilisations 5000 years old.That time there was no America on earth ! The famous silk route existed in the pre-british days. However,our long term friendship was manipulated by the british thru their map making jugglery. Tibet was part of China for several thousand years where Budhism flourished under the qin dynasty.But the british people first put it inside chinese map,then after the second world war put is as an autonomous region..Similarly,when british found it difficult to reach the terrain of Aksai china through the Karakoram pass,they handed it to Chinese,but later after the world war was over,again they showed it inside the Indian map. This way English people kept on fooling illiterate Chinese and Indians. Later WomaniserFeminine Nehru destroyed relations with China by instigating to cut supply line between various chinese soldier camps as per the instruction of the America..and then allowed entry 0f fleeing DalaiLama in 1959 much to the ire of the chinese..result was the Chinese aggression of 1962 to punish Indian Expansionist attitude. So,it is oversmartness of the CIA agents at Delhi,who calls themselves as our leaders,is the resultant of today's cold relationship with China and Pakistan. The fact is that the united Russia-China-India-Pakistan can rule the world as the strong power alighment provided our netas and babus stop America's shht eating..America is culturally not close to us then these countries..
Re: United Agents of America
by syed razahk on Oct 16, 2010 09:11 PM
Are you a china agent or something, Man only US stood for in 1962 war remember, otherwise china would've invaded india completely, Why dont you with so much big brain recommend India to a client state of china. The facts you presented are pure satta, pure satta....
Re: Re: United Agents of America
by om shanti on Oct 16, 2010 09:49 PM
I need not be a chinese agent to speak the reality..the US created the war and US stood for in the war..and India let get used itself as a toilet paper due to our spineless congi vision!
Re: Re: United Agents of America
by om shanti on Oct 16, 2010 09:48 PM
I need not be a chinese agent to speak the reality..the US created the war and US stood for in the war..and India let get used itself as a toilet paper due to our spineless congressi vision!
Re: United Agents of America
by venu sense on Oct 17, 2010 06:07 PM
Mr Om Shanti, on the surface ur argument seems to look good but dig a little deeper and serious flaws appear. 1) Why did China lick the boots of americans during the cold war if ur argument of regional and cultural brotherhood is so true? 2) Why do chinese want to undo the damages of history in Tibet but exploit the faul lines left behind by history in Indian subcontinent? 3) Why are chinese widening the wedge between nort and south korea? 4) The entire south east asia was under Indian cultural and military influence;so will the Chinks agree to the same again?? Todays China is a cold blooded draconian state with evil expansion and self preservation as only motive.They care to hoots to regional welfare.
Re: United Agents of America
by JAKE on Oct 16, 2010 05:48 PM
Hi, u are correct. But there is a difference, The ChineseAre veryUnpredictableCreatures and one does not know what they do next.
TheirRecentBehaviour with India has Not beenGood, and they know it that they are on the wrongSide. Yet they behave the same way and this is only toNeedle usPointlessly. If they change their tactics and are genuine in theirDeeds, then its ok. Else it is something thatRankles us all.
With the US we share many common factors, from rule of law to democracy, freedom of speech, etc and we also share the sameEnemy coming out fromPorkistan. In India, the US continues to remains the most popularCountry and people like it despote all theControversies and so on. Also it has been prophesiedThat the US and India will come closer in the coming years and nothing can stop it.
Re: Re: United Agents of America
by om shanti on Oct 16, 2010 06:09 PM
Hi buddy.. I am just thinking how can India be a self dependent country some day ! Independent and self dependent interms of technology(indigenous),human resources(reverse brain drain),united(no caste politics,no religious politics,no regional politics),Literate(65% to 95%),hunger free,corruption free..if we achieve these things then internally we will be strong enough to decide whether to support China,or the US or Russia.I mean India should be the boss to decide,infact we should maintain healthy relationship with all countries ! Democracy has become a mockery in the country where only the powerful rules and the underprivilidged remains underprivilidged..so,we need to clean up our system..and I feel we have too much of freedom of speech,every one has an opinion,it is said that too may cooks spoil the pudding,I donot think freedom of speech of BurqaDutt or ArnabGoswami or many other else is necessary..everything will come under control once our house is in order,when our system will deliver,China will also start respecting us..
Re: Re: Re: United Agents of America
by JAKE on Oct 16, 2010 06:19 PM
It is not that India is self dependant on the S or any other nation, far from it. It is only we have relations with all, some good and some ok and som none at all.
We have relations with the US as well as China, but with the US it is growing where as with China it is rather it is mixed, sometimes too good sometimes too bad. We cannot have eschew our relations with the US at the cost of China and vice-versa. This is what we are doing.
As for problems, they are able to solve it faster as they have a one party system and they implement whatever policies they take strictly without giving room to anyone, no pampering and that sort. That is why their people fear their Govt and abide by the rule of law. In India we have so many parties and so many scoundrel Politicians around, that it becomes a difficult thing. Hence our progress has been both ways, good and bad. Still problems remain and if all can come work as one, then the progress can be faster.
Re: Re: Re: Re: United Agents of America
by JAKE on Oct 16, 2010 06:23 PM
Also, OM, look at how they have tackled the jihadi problem, we need to learn from the same and do it likewise.
U must try to influence the Chinese and make them understand that good relations with India is beneficial for both and not hyping upPorkistan (ask them to jettison that rogue nation).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: United Agents of America
by om shanti on Oct 16, 2010 06:35 PM
China thinks India is America's agent and so long India stays under the shadow of America,I feel these up-down relation will continue because USA sometimes uses India against China(America made a big issue of flood relief to Pakistan,atlast China donated near to 100 million dollars),India against Pakistan,Pakistan against India,divide and rule..When India will stand as a sovereign power in place of being an American stooge(the image is like that,this image needs to be changed),Chinese will start respecting..the way we are concerned about China_NorthKorea_Pakistan_Myanmar_Iran axis,they are also worried about US_India_Vietnam_South Korea_Japan axis...
Re: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
by om shanti on Oct 16, 2010 05:18 PM
Rightly said.India and China has civilisations 5000 years old.That time there was no America on earth ! The famous silk route existed in the pre-british days. However,our long term friendship was manipulated by the british thru their map making jugglery. Tibet was part of China for several thousand years where Budhism flourished under the qin dynasty.But the british people first put it inside chinese map,then after the second world war put is as an autonomous region..Similarly,when british found it difficult to reach the terrain of Aksai china through the Karakoram pass,they handed it to Chinese,but later after the world war was over,again they showed it inside the Indian map. This way English people kept on fooling illiterate Chinese and Indians. Later WomaniserFeminine Nehru destroyed relations with China by instigating to cut supply line between various chinese soldier camps as per the instruction of the America..and then allowed entry 0f fleeing DalaiLama in 1959 much to the ire of the chinese..result was the Chinese aggression of 1962 to punish Indian Expansionist attitude. So,it is oversmartness of the CIA agents at Delhi,who calls themselves as our leaders,is the resultant of today's cold relationship with China and Pakistan. The fact is that the united Russia-China-India-Pakistan can rule the world as the strong power alighment provided our netas and babus stop America's shht eating..America is culturally not close to us then these countries..
Re: Re: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
by venu sense on Oct 17, 2010 06:14 PM
Mr Om Shanti, on the surface ur argument seems to look good but dig a little deeper and serious flaws appear. 1) Why did China lick the boots of americans during the cold war if ur argument of regional and cultural brotherhood is so true? 2) Why do chinese want to undo the damages of history in Tibet but exploit the fault lines left behind by history in Indian subcontinent? 3) Why are chinese widening the wedge between nort and south korea? 4) The entire south east asia was under Indian cultural and military influence;so will the Chinks agree to the same again?? Todays China is a cold blooded draconian state with evil expansion and self preservation as only motive.They care to hoots to regional welfare.
