current CM of Tamilnadu, is desperately trying to divide India further. After failure of Tamil terrorists in Srilanka, the grand vision of making Tamil Empire [ North Sri Lanka Whole Tamil state], has been evaporated now. Tamil Language and literature's are very rich -appreciated and respected by all over India, but this CM of Tamilnadu, in now trying to cut down one of the big Branches of BANYAN TREE, that represents our Heritage and Civilization. The Tamil culture, is a part and parcel of our glorious Indian civilization, that cannot be separated or piece-mealed. Mr.Karunanidhi [Lord Ram's another name is Karunanidhi], adapted an alien Commie culture, and indoctrinated in marxism. Therefore we do not expect much from him to make some good for our nation. The divide and rule policy, is the hallmark old, "gone with the wind"-British Empire. What this atheist is trying to revive that old British legacy.
The entire Aryan-Dravidian theory is created by British to create divide among us Indians, to break our glorious cultural mosaic. The earth itself is called "Bharat". Every person living in this world is called Bharatiya. We are the descendents of great rulers who ruled this earth righteously. (There is lot of proof on this). Although the British left India physically, and the Aryan-Dravidian theory has been dispelled countless times, some fanatic retards like these still follow the British theory with sincerity much to the disppointment of all Indians. They create only hatred, divide and thereby a conducive infected environment only for them to survive and thrive. We have to have faith in our ancient history, believe it and not follow such retards in belief or action.
Re: There is nothing called Dravidian
by raja har on Jun 26, 2010 02:54 PM
Mr Vast Blur sky,British introduced caste and divided india......u foollllll.......
Sanskrit is the mother of all languages (including English) Tamil is a great language but Telugu is the most ancient language after Sanskrit (check any historian records). Telugu is the most widely used language in entire India after Hindi. (check records) Due to politics played by people for their own interests, truth is always hidden. Each language has its own sweetness, greatness and each language land has its own great people and works. One has to respect each other's language and share good amongst each other. The Tamil Conf is purely rhetoric organized by some fanatics to gain political advantage and mislead people. Unfortunately our great India is full of such fanatic retards. We have to be on guard all the time and know what is actually right and what is actually wrong. (not based on what we see but what we really learn from authentic sources)
Re: DMK Show
by prithvi on Jun 26, 2010 04:01 PM
Don't go for numbers. Sanskrit is not mother of english. French and Latin are the mothers of english. Telugu is not the ancient language. No records can make telugu ancient. Tamil is the most ancient living language which is more than 5000 years old. I don't have to check records as Tamil has already made several milestones. Telugu originated only around 1100 A.D. Telugu derived from apabhramsa along with the influence from sanskrit.
Re: political fanatisams
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 01:11 PM
Oh God. I think you read my lengthy comments so rapidly that you didn't understand me. I am a pure Marathi having basic knowledge Tamil & Sanskrit and good in English-Hindi. Marathi? That's my mother tongue. I entered this debate because I think Aryan-Dravidian theory is BLIND SUPERSTITION. In democracy, Tamils have freedom of Discarding Sanskrit. I am serious that, neither Tamils have right to defame Sanskrit nor shall we insult Tamil. Finally, I am an Indian first, then Hindu, then Marathi and then a Brahman.
Re: political fanatisams
by pkr ramesh on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 AM
Regarding not knowing Hindi by majority of Tamils, I agree with you, Anti-Hindi agitation fall out. DMK when it came to power banned Hindi and brought in two language formula Over period of time one generation came out without learning Hindi. Impact is felt while travelling outside southern belt Tamils forgot Hindi imposition is different from hindi as a language But dont worry all grand children of Dravidian leaders are well versed with spoken Hindi.It is said Mr M Karunnidhi understands hindi but cant write or speak the language
I respect that Tamil has many unique features. But due to DMK Politicians, you have got one more unique feature. ONLY TAMIL HAS TWO DISTINCT STANDARDS. I MEAN Brahman Tamil and STANDARD AS FRAMED BY DMK. Rest all Indian Languages have single standard. Example- Standard Telugu in Visakhapatnam's, Standard Marathi of Pune region, Standard Sanskrit as made by Panini etc. But by taking two distinct standards you are cheating yourself. In Maths 1 meter should strictly be 100cm, But regarding Tamil, it is as if some saying 1M equals 100cm and others saying 1meter equals half kilometer.
1] Remember, no one forced Sanskrit in North India as well. In Maharashtra or North, 90% Brahmans can't understand Bhagvadgita and require its translation. 2] Only 20% Temples in Maharashtra has Brahman priests, rest all are controlled by Non-Brahman. Except Festivals we do not use Sanskrit. THUS I AM SURE, THERE IS NO WAY THAT BRAHMANS FORCED SANSKRIT IN TAMILNADU.
Still Sanskrit is not Dead as said by your Periyaar. If I see dictionaries of Sindhi, Assam, Hindi, Oriya language you will find 20000 words of Sanskrit. This percentage reaches 75% in Marathi and Bengali. Thus, Sanskrit will not die.
Conclusion - 1]Tamils are free to discard Sanskrit, no one will force you. 2] Sanskrit will remain in Other Regions, irrespective of WHATEVER THE DMK LEADER SHOUTS FROM CHENNAI. 3] Tamil Purification movement clearly proves THAT TAMIL SCHOLARS WANTED FREEDOM FROM SANSKRIT WORDS. 4] IT ALSO MEANS THAT SANSKRIT CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN 20% WORDS OF TAMIL. 5] GENETIC RESEARCH PROVES THAT ARYANS WERE INDIANS AND NOT MIDDLE EAST.
Re: @ Tamil Lovers
by SivaSankaran Sarma on Jun 26, 2010 09:47 AM
Sanskrit has arund 30% Dravidian and Munda words. its grammer syntaex adn lexicon is pruely borrwed form Dravidian( Tamil) Languages borrowing words form another language is trivial however borrwoing the grammer lexicon and syntax from another language shows the profiund influence that Dravidian( tamil ) had on Sanksrit. Indo Aryan is the only member of the Indo European languge that has the Dravidian retroflexes. This is th etruth Iam not decryint Tamil or Snakkrit both are great but th etruth has to be told. even in Tamil Nadu and Elam Most major temples have Brahmin priests . Most other temples are largely run by non Brahmin Hindu priests largely from the upper Vellalar caste. Only major rituals are conducted in Sanskirt the rest are in Tamil. Nothin unique happening in Mharhashtra samething happens in tamil Nadu and i suppose in al lthe Indian states.
Re: Re: @ Tamil Lovers
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 10:02 AM
No man, Grammar Syntax of Sanskrit is not from Tamil, its grammar does not match with North Languages as well.
TAMIL WORDS HAVE SINGULAR & PLURAL. ONLY SKT HAS DWI-WACHAN. ONLY SKT HAS PAROKSH FORM OF PAST TENSE. IT'S ONLY SANSKRIT where order of words does not matter, but in Tamil it's SUBJECT-OBJECT-VERB. Similarly Only 20% words, at most, can occur in SKT. However, some words from Telugu seem to have entered.
I CAN SHOW YOU SEVERAL DIFFERENCES OF SANSKRIT GRAMMAR.
Re: Re: @ Tamil Lovers
by Michael Angelo on Jun 26, 2010 11:06 AM
Sanskrit has Zero Tamil words. It is Tamils which has Sanskrit words. When Dasaratha was ruler of Ayodhya TamilNadu was a barren land. Sugri ruled from Kishkinda which is modern day Kannada. Agastya used his magical powers to create the river Kaveri. It was after that civilisation began developing in TN that too under the guidance of the Vedic sage Agastya. Even today one observe how people on the riverbanks of Kaveri like Trichy and Tanjore show much more culture. But Karunanidhi chased away all the cultured people from TN. Now it is same everywhere.
Re: Re: Re: @ Tamil Lovers
by prithvi on Jun 26, 2010 04:14 PM
You are such a useless moron. Agastya brought in only aryan culture and sanskrit to TN ( proof : Renowned book - A wonder that was India by A.L Basham, This is a standard book for all history students even for IAS ). Even thousands of year befrore dhasaratha ruled TN still had fantastic civilisations even before Lemuria phase where Elam was part of Tamil country. The cholas has Fantastic reign during ancient times. The Last sangam meet of Tamil literature happened in Koodal Nagar that is today's then (south) madurai around 300 BC. The previous sangam meet has happened several thousands of years before 300 BC even before the The Great central asian plateau collusion happened which led to the creation of western ghats. Don't give this BS stories of agastiyar had Kaveri river in small vessel ( ur original comment is even worse stating that he brought kaveri to TN). Dravidian culture before the coming of aryans was spread until khurasan (afghanistan). Plz stop the crap and learn history properly before laying out your useless imagination.
Re: Re: @ Tamil Lovers
by Ashwin on Jun 26, 2010 10:58 PM
My dear, Tamil itself does not have any Grammar and you claim Sanskrit has Tamil Grammar. Telugu which is an off shoot of Sanskrit has far better Grammer than Tamil, not to speak of Sanskrit. TAMIL IS NOT A LANGUAGE AT ALL, IN THE FIRST PLACE. THATS WHY TAMILIANS HAVE TO KEEP SHOUTING "TAMIL IS GREATEST & OLDEST LANGUAGE". MAY BE. IT IS ALSO MOST USELESS LANGUAGE.
Re: @ Tamil Lovers
by Chrysanthemum sxaz on Jun 27, 2010 05:21 PM
Regarding genetics: as we go north the color of skin pigment gets lighter. With Kashmiris and pathans being fairest, this does suggest a racial variation and the northern lands do talk of aryan culture that includes afghans and germans and other eoropean races, so genetically indo-aryans are an offshoot of a group/tribe orginating somewhere in the steppes of central asia. The reason why many Hindutva proponents deny tihs is because ths makes their claim as true Indians somewhat tenous, and makes them appear as gate-crashers like the muslims who came later on, but thne the history of this planet is a histroy of migrations and invasions. We must accept history as it is, without remianing in denial.
Re: Tamils
by SivaSankaran Sarma on Jun 26, 2010 08:41 AM
Yes we are Lions and cats but you are a rat and cats love to play with rats and finally kill them . So beware
Re: Re: Tamils
by Magnolia on Jun 26, 2010 10:24 AM
@SivaSankaran Sarma go and eat you idly,sambar,rasam etc and watch rajnikanth's movies, there is only one state in india where the ffilm industry rules ie Tamil Nadu
Re: Re: Re: Tamils
by muralidharan R on Jun 26, 2010 02:16 PM
Sorry, Tamilians cannot distinguish between reality and cinima. They fully believe in cinema, see the influence of MGR over Tamilians. Tamilians used ti by heart each and every dialogue of a MGR movie. But Karunanidhi due to jealousy resented MGR and challenged him
Re: tamil
by SivaSankaran Sarma on Jun 26, 2010 08:21 AM
Fellows/Learn to adress people respectfully understood. there is a strict critrea ot grant classical status to languages. On eof it is it is an original language and has independent classical growth. If these are not meet . Classical language staus should be granted . Even if they uite old and rich . You dont gratn classical languages status jsut becuse someone whinges that tamil was gratned classical status so they hae to be granted or to get votes
