I have a doubt. If all indian languages are derived from sanskrit, then how linguists categorise one group of languages as Indo-aryan with sanskrit as the root and other group as dravidian with proto-dravidian language as root (to which old tamil is very close)?. ofcourse, britishers divided indians for ruling. But was there a country called India before britishers arrival?. Is caste system and divisions based upon it are invented by christian missionaries?. is there no Hindu-muslim divide and related wars before the arrival of british and christian missionaries. As a tamilian, i don't accept the argument that tamil is the mother of other south indian languages. All the major south indian languages except malayalam are derived from a proto-dravidian tongue spoken before three thousand years. tamil has significant place as it has retained that proto dravidian character from its mother language and maintained it strictly from the onslaught of sanskrit through ages. Moreover, tamil has written literature in a very archaic language on various aspects even before the birth of jesus christ.
Re: I have a doubt.
by krishna on Jun 28, 2010 01:00 AM
go and watch discovery to know more about aryans and dravidians. also learn at least four indian languages thouroughly better learn kannada telugu and malayalam your next door language then talk about tamil supremacy
Re: Indians will rule India in some decades to come.
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 07:43 PM
Pakistani, I feel sorry if Brahui is Dravidian language of Baluchistan, then you have already lost your brothers as they migrated from south towards Sindh region. When we were fighting for freedom from Britishers, YOUR PERIYAAR HAD ARRANGED MEETING WITH JINA. THUS PERIYAAR LEFT THE BRAHUI BROTHERS IN HELL.
Re: Re: Indians will rule India in some decades to come.
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 09:22 PM
enthe thantayute peru parayumbol thanikku entha gunnam? Enthe appade peru Dravida Thailavar anu, ketto pissaseee.. Thaan podado korangee
Re: Indians will rule India in some decades to come.
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 07:36 PM
I pray the God, Periyaar's false theory doesn't end up its followers into UNKNOWN DESERT.
Re: Re: Indians will rule India in some decades to come.
by Avinash on Jun 26, 2010 08:54 PM
@ pak detector M0ne, dinesha, ninte thantayute peru entha?
Re: Re: Re: Indians will rule India in some decades to come.
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 09:19 PM
enthe thantayute peru parayumbol thanikku entha gunnam? Enthe appade peru Dravida Thailavar anu, ketto pissaseee.. Thaan podado korangee
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indians will rule India in some decades to come.
by krishna on Jun 28, 2010 01:04 AM
thamil kaattu mirandi mozhi ennu paranja periyar alle
Re: Re: Tamil Brahmins are losers.
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 09:22 PM
enthe thantayute peru parayumbol thanikku entha gunnam? Enthe appade peru Dravida Thailavar anu, ketto pissaseee.. Thaan podado korangee
IT'S SIMPLE. Take 700 million poor people of India. Tell them, they were enslaved by foreigners known as Aryans and Muslims. Tell them the truth. They want to hear it. Hindutva is only here to create diffusion and division among Indians. Hindutva is the enslavers organisation. Nothing more to add. This will do it.
Re: How to clear off foreign elements in India
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 07:20 PM
Only 6 crore Tamils believe that Aryans came from outside. Rest all 6 BILLION BELIEVE SANSKRIT AS IDENTITY OF INDIA. 29 CRORE IN AMERICA ALONE BELIEVE INDIA AS LAND OF SANSKRIT.
Re: Re: How to clear off foreign elements in India
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 07:21 PM
come out of your 19th century europe-centric dreams paki. The times change. Identity of India is Dravidian, after discovery of Indus valley in 20th century.
Re: Re: Re: How to clear off foreign elements in India
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 07:25 PM
Indus Valley has not mentioned a single proof of Tamil. ALL ARE YOU ASSUMPTIONS.
Re: Re: Re: Re: How to clear off foreign elements in India
by sriram s on Jun 27, 2010 11:00 AM
Maran brother's brohters run TV is humilitating TAMIL on Tamil New years day and they praise Tamil in conference WHAT IS THIS
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to clear off foreign elements in India
by sriram s on Jun 27, 2010 11:01 AM
u have no right to speak about Tamil as your SUN TV,KALAINGAR TV is not promoting Tamil only HIMUL(hINDI ENGLISH TAMIL= HIMUL)
Re: How to clear off foreign elements in India
by R Swaminathan on Jun 26, 2010 08:42 PM
Pak detector Why are you wasting your time in indian site.Handle your pak on the brink of breaking. Your pashtun area is already de-facto ruled by afgans and it will go to them sooner than later Sindh and punjab cannot co-exist under west punjabi domination.Hence it will have to secede and join india.Baluchistan is in any case under revolt and will be a separate country.India should facilitate the above process so that the 'unfinished task of partition'of libaration of the above states into independent countries like bangladesh's liberation should be completed
This is common sense among scholars all across the world of 1 million languages.
Aryans are foreigners. Don't take Hindutva seriously. You are making a joke out of you like Kalyanaraman. All around the world, everyone agrees, that only Dravidian is Indian.
Re: Aryan and Mulsim people are foreigners
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 06:59 PM
The evidence is primarily given by linguistic and racial complexion, as well as Indus valley civilization. Linguistically Aryans have assimilated alot of Dravidian elements. That's why many of their foreign languages have similar traits to the native languages. Then they went everywhere in India and told them, that their derivative and artificial language Sanskrit is a divine language.
Re: Re: Aryan and Mulsim people are foreigners
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 07:12 PM
Fool, Sanskrit has taken 20% of its features from Dravidian. Rest all are its own. And feel good, that SANSKRIT ASSIMILATES ALL, IT HAS ABILITY TO GO ACROSS UNIVERSE. Unlike this, YOUR TAMIL SCHOLARS HAVE ALLERGY OF SANSKRIT, THEY CANNOT ASSIMILATE ANYTHING. RATHER, they waste efforts in TAMIL PURIFICATION MOVEMENT.
Re: Re: Aryan and Mulsim people are foreigners
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 07:02 PM
Dravida Nadu must wake up and stop Sanskrit from spreading further. Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra must take steps to clear their languages of foreign words and propagate native equivalents like Tamils did in Tamil Nadu. This is the only way, we can secure pure Indian culture without foreign elements. This is a matter of pride and justice to our enslaved brothers and sisters in North India.
Re: Re: Re: Aryan and Mulsim people are foreigners
by Chandan on Jun 26, 2010 07:07 PM
Yeah. Foreign element !!! 1st - stop writing in a Phoren Language..... 2nd if u can help stop LTTE to rise again, then it wud be better. 3rd - don;t waste ur time in writing (leaving ur) craps on the net. ur r wasting my counrys time, power, internet resources & wasting loads of spaces from web pages.
Re: Re: Re: Aryan and Mulsim people are foreigners
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 07:08 PM
If adding Sanskrit words makes u impure, then tell Karunanidhi to change his name to some Tamil.
Karuna & Nidhi are Sanskrit words, make a sound test, you will find it's Sanskrit .
Re: Aryan and Mulsim people are foreigners
by commie basher on Jun 28, 2010 06:02 PM
First of all the theory itself is false. Basing assumptions of aryan dravidian admixture is all baseless whimsical fantasies and nothing else.
Re: Aryan and Mulsim people are foreigners
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 07:04 PM
Only 6 crore Tamils believe that Aryans came from outside. Rest all 6 BILLION BELIEVE SANSKRIT AS IDENTITY OF INDIA. 29 CRORE IN AMERICA ALONE BELIEVE INDIA AS LAND OF SANSKRIT.
In Tamil- 1] We can join 2 words as "Ramanum Sitaiyum" - Ram & Sta. In Sanskrit SAMAS is used for it. 2]In Tamil the verb itself becomes negative if we add "Ade", Pokathe is negative of Po.
In Sanskrit- 1] All words have DWI WACHAN. Tamil words have only Singular & Plural. 2]In Dravidian & also ENGLISH, non-living OBJECTS are not classified into Male-female- Neuter. In Sanskrit, Marathi all Non-living objects also classified in all 3 types of Gender. 3]Only Sanskrit has "PAROKSH" form of Past Tense, for incidents that happened in your absence. 4]Sanskrit words have 8 cases. English has only 4 of them. North Languages probably lost 2 of them, only Marathi has retained all 8 of them. I did not see ALL 8 IN TAMIL. 5]IN TAMIL FORM OF ORIGINAL WORD IS INTACT, IN SKT IT CHANGES AS PER THE SENTENCE. 6] Dravidian sentences generally follow 'Subject Object Verb" style. In Sanskrit, there is no restriction, a sentence can BE WRITTEN IN ANY ORDER, IT'S MEANING DOES NOT CHANGE, THUS ALL WORLD CALL IT "PERFECT LANGUAGE."
THIS IS ENOUGH TO SHOW THAT SANSKRIT GRAMMAR IS INDEPENDENT OF TAMIL. BOTH LANGUAGES ARE GREAT BUT ARE INDEPENDENT.
Re: Differences in Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 06:46 PM
This is clear, that irrespective of TAMIL BORN DURING ICE-AGE, IT HAS NO EFFECT ON SANSKRIT. IT ALSO JUSTIFIES THAT SANSKRIT IS BORN IN INDIA. I have read that Tolgappiyam suggested how to write Sanskrit words in Tamil, no such reference is mentioned IN PANINI. THUS CERTAINLY MORE THAN 80% WORDS OF SANSKRIT ARE OF ITS OWN. THUS SANSKRIT IS MOTHER FOR AT LEAST 75% INDIAN LANGUAGES.
Re: Differences in Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar
by Sharad on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 PM
Sanskrit is a 'PERFECTED' language. It has greater structure and more features, and therefore is more complex. It is CREATED by the ELITES for the ELITES and there it stayed. Not that I dislike it, I LOVE IT. It has vast amounts of literature and is the singular LARGEST SOURCE of INDIAN CREATIVITY and CULTURE. If you understand language evolution, sophistication is an ACQUIRED and a DEVELOPED trait rather than INITIALLY CREATED trait unless it a newly CREATED LANGUAGE. Older languages will be more basic and will have less structure.
Re: Re: Differences in Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar
by Sharad on Jun 26, 2010 11:56 PM
The credit for the oldest language of the humans, which is JUST THE SOUNDS THEY MADE when they wanted to communicate with each other while hunting the animals in AFRICA, from where the whole of humanity on earth came. Fighting over language is silly because every language is just a NEED FOR HUMANS TO COMMUNICATE.
Re: Differences in Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 06:41 PM
hahaha you know nothing. sanskrit is derivative like poop derivates from ass.
Re: Re: Differences in Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar
by marathi marathi on Jun 26, 2010 06:49 PM
THIS is for you friend & NOT FOR MY TAMIL BROTHERS. Dogs can do nothing but Barking. AND THEY ARE NOT OFFERED DINNER IN KITCHEN. WE JUST THROW A BREAD FOR THEM.
Re: Re: Differences in Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar
by Chandan on Jun 26, 2010 07:14 PM
New dictionary - - - - - - - English = Phoren :) Moron = Pak detector Tamil First, Indian Later = Pak detector. Prabhakaran = Pak detector LTTE = Pak detector Looser = pak detector
180 crores was spent for so called Language discussion and presentation...what did Indians get..what did Tamilains gets..Tsunami tamil victims yet have no home as their own..they are living in miserable living conditions..they are living on the roads with no basic human facilities..yet overlooking these they conduct an Tamil meet spending 180 crores..which surely would have brought out lakhs of Tamil people from below the poverty lines to decent levels of growth and prosperity..How much has this 180 crores loot gone to these dirty politicians is anybodies guess..
