If Modern Tamil derived from old Tamil, then Modern Sanskrit is also derived from Old Veda's Sanskrit and THAT IS PURELY INDIAN. Aryan-Dravidian theory is a Blind-Superstition. THERE WAS NO TRIBE LIKE ARYAN. All are Indian. One has said that Sanskrit derived Grammar from Tamil, but that's wrong. Sanskrit and Tamil Grammar are independent, I will MENTION THE DIFFERENCES IN MY NEXT COMMENT.
Tamil Language Primitive and original. Spoken and living language. Of Lemurian-Indian Origin. Scriptural studies exoteric. Inculcation of cosmopolitanism. Admission of all to asceticism. Holding higher education common to all. Encouragement of gifts to all the poor and needy. Love of truth. Laying of emphasis on love, as means of attaining eternal bliss. Having monotheistic Sai-vism and Vaisnavism as religions. Literary description natural.
Sanskrit Language Derivative. Semi-artificial literary dialect. Of Indo-European Origin. Scriptural studies esoteric. Division of society into numerous castes on the basis of birth and parentage. Restriction of asceticism to Brahmins. Restriction of higher education to Sanskritists. Enjoinment on the donors to give only to the Sans-kritists. Love of imposture and plagiarism. Laying of emphasis on knowledge, as means of attaining union with the universal soul. Having a system of sacrifices to minor deities as religion. Literary description imaginary.
Re: Devaneya Pavanar, soul of the future of Dravida Nadu
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 05:49 PM
# Phonological simplicity of Tamil. # Catholicity of Tamil. # Tamulic substratum of the Aryan family of languages. # Morphological purity and primitiveness of Tamil. # The presence of the words ‘amma’ and ‘appa’Mama and papa in almost all great languages in some form or other. # Absence of Nominative case-termination in Tamil. # Separability and significance of all affixes in Tamil. # Absence of morphological gender in Tamil # Absence of arbitrary words in Tamil. # Traceability of Tamil to its very origin. # Logical and natural order of words in Tamil. # Absence of dual number in Tamil. # Originality and natural development of Tamil. # Highest order of the classicality of Tamil.
Re: Re: Devaneya Pavanar, soul of the future of Dravida Nadu
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 05:52 PM
There is no other language in the whole world as Tamil, that has suffered so much damage by natural and human agencies, and has been done so much injustice by malignant foreigners and native dupes. The general belief that all arts and sciences are progressively advancing with the passage of time, is falsified in the case of philology, owing to the fundamental blunder of locating the original home of the Tamilians in the Mediterranean region, and taking Sanskrit, a post-Vedic semi-artificial composite literary dialect, the Indian Esperanto, so to speak, for the prototype of the Indo-European Form of Speech. Westerners do not know as yet, that Tamil is a highly developed classical language of Lemurian origin, and has been, and is being still, suppressed by a systematic and co-ordinated effort by the Sanskritists both in the public and private sectors, ever since the Vedic mendicants migrated to the South, and taking utmost advantage of their superior complexion and the primitive credulity of the ancient Tamil kings, posed themselves as earthly gods (Bhu-suras) and deluded the Tamilians into the belief, that their ancestral language or literary dialect was divine or celestial in origin.
Re: Re: Re: Devaneya Pavanar, soul of the future of Dravida Nadu
by Chandan on Jun 26, 2010 07:16 PM
New dictionary - - - - - - - English = Phoren :) Moron = Pak detector Tamil First, Indian Later = Pak detector. Prabhakar = Pak detector LTTE = Pak detector Looser = pak detector
Re: Devaneya Pavanar, soul of the future of Dravida Nadu
by Ashwin on Jun 26, 2010 10:47 PM
First of all Tamil is not a language. At best it is an advanced dialect without proper alphabets and cant write what you say in Tamil AND say what you write in Tamil. So great is Tamil language. It is waste of time to call Tamil a Language and giving it any importance.
Re: Re: Devaneya Pavanar, soul of the future of Dravida Nadu
by Calspadeaspade on Jun 27, 2010 05:04 AM
Do you know Tamil? You are so stupid to pass such a comment with out knowing anything. You are as fanatical as pak detector.
Tamil culture cannot stand on it's own. It is in the subconscious of Tamil people to look outside for cultural impulses. In ancient times it was Agastya, Salivahana and Mahendra Pallava. In modern times it is M.G.R a keralite, Rajnikanth a Kannadiga, Jayalalitha a Kannadiga etc. who are looked up as heros. Karunanidhi is so proud of his tamil origins. But without the help of Keralite M.G.R. Karunanidhi would have been nowhere. Why is the most popular Tamil cinestar - Rajnikanth - a non-Tamilian? Tamils have never had a culture of their own. That is why they so easily fell for the British rubbish of Aryan Invasion theory. British Empire has collapsed and tamils are still jumping up and down about the so called Aryan Invasion Theory. Tamils should live in the modern world.
Re: Tamil cannot stand on it's own..
by rebel hindu on Jun 26, 2010 04:55 PM
bah.. You keep repeating inanities to the point where you appear to be a clown.
Re: Re: Tamil cannot stand on it's own..
by Michael Angelo on Jun 26, 2010 05:08 PM
I did get you respond to my messages right? So I have indeed struck a chord. Now reply to my message not to me.
Re: Re: Re: Tamil cannot stand on it's own..
by rebel hindu on Jun 26, 2010 05:14 PM
Too generalistic and absurd deductions, followed by patronizing suggestions.. your messages dont merit a response. Your attitude does.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamil cannot stand on it's own..
by Michael Angelo on Jun 26, 2010 05:24 PM
Again you blindly attack me. If you cannot refute my messages accept what I say as true. That is decorum reserved when debating in public forums. To feel upset and start attacking the messanger is totally bereft of civility.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamil cannot stand on it's own..
by indian forever on Jun 26, 2010 05:26 PM
u r afraid of tamilians as u dont have such pride history. u make history for your heirs... do not make gas./....
Re: Tamil cannot stand on it's own..
by Ashwin on Jun 26, 2010 10:54 PM
You may also note that Karunanidhi himself is not original Tamil but a Telugu fellow. He claims himself Christian but he offers prayers to Vinayaka daily before he starts out. Ask him if this is fact or concocted story. Tamil has nothing of its own. Veera Pandya Katta Bommanna is actually Veera Pandya Katta Brahmanna. Tamilians write & spell him as Bommanna because you cant write Brahmanna. That is Tamil language. Telugus (Andhras) are spread all around in Tamilnadu more than Tamilians but ashamed of calling themselves Telugus. These Telugus are from Andhra living in Coimbatore, Salem, Tirunelvili, Tiruchi, Vellore, Madurai, Tanjavore, North & South Arcot and Tamilians know where all. But these treacherous Andhras call themselves Tamilians just for material benefits. That is Andhra & Tamil.
Re: Tamil cannot stand on it's own..
by indian forever on Jun 26, 2010 05:24 PM
all those peoples u mention, acme to tamils for jobs, Mind it , the tamils had not gone to them for l;ivlihood. Then do not involve sage agasthiya without knowing him.
Kalyanaraman is a well known Hindutva writer. No one is taking him seriously in scientific fields, like any other artificial Pan-Hindu thinking people. Hindutva is synonymous with jokes around the world atleast when it becomes to science. Truth is Sanskrit is completely foreign to India and it should be banned like other North Indian languages of foreign origin like Marathi, Urdu, Bengali etc. Dravidian is the only language to go in India. Sanskrit works should be translated back to Dravidian root languages and then Sanskrit can be thrown away.
Re: Sanskrit is foreign in origin
by Avinash on Jun 26, 2010 04:42 PM
Why Pakis should b0ther about the languages in India? Better get hold of a suciiide be1t and b10w yourself up for getting those seventytwo things withouth0les and twentyeight hair1ess b0ys.
Re: Re: Sanskrit is foreign in origin
by pak detector on Jun 26, 2010 05:02 PM
1. even north indians should be able to write with proper spelling 2. Im a Dravidian from Kerala, not Paki like you Northies
Re: Sanskrit is foreign in origin
by Calspadeaspade on Jun 27, 2010 05:10 AM
Who is no one? Mauy be you. Kalyanaraman is right on the money. Your karuna Nidhi is a telugu guy by name Dakshinamurthy. Found the tamilians like you very gullible and his ilk like Vengayam(EVR), Vaico and Karuna Nidhi are ruling your state. And you call the original tamil Brahmins as strangers to TN?
I think tamil is a classical language of india there is no doubt about it but to play chauvinistic politics around it is completely wrong and strong disservice to this great language of India. I think,as author suggested, instead of wasting money over such conferences efforts should have been taken to take and propagate tamil in the rest of India with out being chauvinistic or nurturing any superiority complex.
What is the difference Between Sanskrit and Tamil? Some Known factors...................
Tamil Language Primitive and original. Spoken and living language. Of Lemurian-Indian Origin. Scriptural studies exoteric. Inculcation of cosmopolitanism. Admission of all to asceticism. Holding higher education common to all. Encouragement of gifts to all the poor and needy. Love of truth. Laying of emphasis on love, as means of attaining eternal bliss. Having monotheistic Sai-vism and Vaisnavism as religions. Literary description natural.
Sanskrit Language Derivative. Semi-artificial literary dialect. Of Indo-European Origin. Scriptural studies esoteric. Division of society into numerous castes on the basis of birth and parentage. Restriction of asceticism to Brahmins. Restriction of higher education to Sanskritists. Enjoinment on the donors to give only to the Sans-kritists. Love of imposture and plagiarism. Laying of emphasis on knowledge, as means of attaining union with the universal soul. Having a system of sacrifices to minor deities as religion. Literary description imaginary.
Dravidian is a language family. It's correct to say that "there is no proof of Tamil script in Indus Civilization", its is correct to say that there is no proof that Dravidian language was not spoken there.
Even in Iran, they accept there was an Elamite kingdom, and that language was an older tongue that existed before the Iranian (aryan) arrived. And even during the conquest by Alexender the great, there were mention of an ancien tongue spoken by the ancient Elamite that was not persian. Historian agree that there is a possibility, that Dravidian may have been the language of the Elamite. They cannot say thet is no proof that Dravidian was not the language. So in India, how can they say that there is no proof that Dravidian was not spoken in the Indus valley. Its sad that the cuurent Indian historian, are pushing politican agenda, and trying to deny the obvious. However, history cannot be push aside. The Aryan exist (Afghanistan called their airline Arya airline, the Persian changed their name to Iranian (Aryian), Arya samaj exist, hariana exist, the list will go on and one. And the same way, Dravidian exist- modern Tamil being descended from old Tamils, just like Malayalam, Kannada, and Telegu may have descended from older dravidian.
Re: Dravidian is a language family
by tamil boy on Jun 26, 2010 03:07 PM
Typo- Is it correct to say "that there is no proof that Dravidian language was not spoken there"?
Re: Re: Dravidian is a language family
by Avinash on Jun 26, 2010 04:45 PM
Talking in the air is not proof!! Sanskrit and Tamil are two distinctive languages and needs to be recognized as such.
I have heard of a language spoken at present in Tamil Nadu and some parts of Afghanistan (I cannot recollect the name now). It is quite possible that people from South India had migrated to North India and then onwards to the West/Central Asia but there are all conjectures.
