it can be noted of recently marathis have become violent and trashed outside people , why is congress government in central quite and not doing anything about it?
There is no doubt that Karnataka has no moral right to stake its claim on Belgaum and karwar because the majority of people in these region speak Marathi and Konkani, which are sister languages, which have common connection with Sanskrit via the script-Devnagari. Kannada is a dravidian language, which was never the language of majority people in this region. If centre feels that language was not the sole criteria, then what were the others? Why were Tamil speaking regions included in Tamil nadu and Bengali speaking regions in West Bengal,etc?
Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by Amit Shah on Jul 17, 2010 09:08 PM
DURING STATES REORGANISING TIME,IF LANGUAGE WAS ALONE THE FACTOR,THEN MUMBAI SHOULD HAVE GONE TO GUJARAT AS GUJARATHI POPULATION WAS MORE THAN MARATHIS IN MAIN BOBMAY.OR AT LEAST MUMBAI SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE UNION TERRITORY.EVEN THE STATES REORGANIZING COMMITTIE RECOMMENDED THE SAME THING.IF MARATHIS CLAIM BELGAUM ,THEN MUMBAI SHOULD BE MADE UNION TERRITORY AS PER THE LANGUAGE FORMULA BEING ADVOCATED BY POLITITIONS OF MAHARASHTRA
Re: Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by Idaho on Jul 17, 2010 09:16 PM
agreed...but Then you go ahead and KIL marathis...KILL???Desai was a disgrace then and now you!!
Re: Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by raj patil on Jul 20, 2010 02:05 AM
Okay...so does apply for Baroda, the Dangs. They shud have been merged with Maha. Kutch shud be made a UT as it is culturally diff from Gujarat. Saurashtra too is diff from mainland Guj. Maharashtrians have always dominated Mumbai. Even today they form almost 45% of the pop. and remember, they were the natives of Mumbai and not migrants like the gujjus.
Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by jain on Jul 17, 2010 09:17 PM
DURING STATES REORGANISING TIME,IF LANGUAGE WAS ALONE THE FACTOR,THEN MUMBAI SHOULD HAVE GONE TO GUJARAT AS GUJARATHI POPULATION WAS MORE THAN MARATHIS IN MAIN BOBMAY.OR AT LEAST MUMBAI SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE UNION TERRITORY.EVEN THE STATES REORGANIZING COMMITTIE RECOMMENDED THE SAME THING.IF MARATHIS CLAIM BELGAUM ,THEN MUMBAI SHOULD BE MADE UNION TERRITORY AS PER THE LANGUAGE FORMULA BEING ADVOCATED BY POLITITIONS OF MAHARASHTRA
Re: Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by Idaho on Jul 17, 2010 09:18 PM
Another one...agreed that Mumbai has more gujju popu...but then you go ahead and KILL marathis..KILL them???Morarji ran back to gujarat with his feet in his a$$..He was gujju too!!!
Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by jain on Jul 17, 2010 09:18 PM
Before Marathis looking at Belgaum,they should look at how they snatched Nagpur from MadhyaPradesh.During British Raj NAGPUR WAS THE CAPITAL CITY OF CENTRAL PROVINCE OF MADHYAPRADESH.Hindi speking people were in majaority and even now also Hindi is largely spoken.Then marathis with their sheer hooliganism and political power were successful in snatching Nagpur from MP and then made it second capital of maharashtra.I think people of Karnataka giving maharashtrians a taste of their own medicine.
Re: Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by Idaho on Jul 17, 2010 09:20 PM
LOL...dont worry just like you lost Mumbai...Karnataka will definitely lose belgaum,nippani etc etc.Only time will tell.
Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 09:10 PM
Marathi speaking towns like nippani and khanapur are agreed to be handed over. if MH doesn't want it, don't blame KA. they want belgaum which is historically kannada region which has lost its majority to marathi last century. also there are adminstrative problems like problems to kannada speaking villages surrounding on 3 other sides. never it is said that language is not criteria. it's said language is criteria along with adminstrative issues, history, geography. Two konkani speaking taluks in karwar were offered to Goa when Goa converted into state from UT. But then Goa govt. rejected due to historical reasons. MH have no claim over Konkani regions.
Re: Re: Belgaum and Karwar unjustly usurped by karnataka
by Idaho on Jul 17, 2010 09:27 PM
relax siva..as long as it doesnt involve your state and languages, you sit back & enjoy the fight..!
The major malaise in India has been the division on linguistic basis. The greatman who thought of this method and implemented it surely did not know what kind of turmoil he was going to create in just a span of less than 50 years. May be he is rightly called the "Architect of Modern India" for he surely gets the credit of most of the ills (maybe there are some positives also if only one can search) being seen today are from his policies - be it differences between states on language/resources, be it corruption, be it criminals in politics, be it insensitivity of the Government etc.
The suit filed by Union government is correct. When the Mahajan commission (the formation was accepted by both the states) has given the report saying that Belgaum should be part and partial of Karnataka state the opportunistic nature of Maharashtra govt is to be criticised.I also strongly support for the well being if the Marathi people in the Belgaum is to be ensured. Who ever breathes the air in the belgaum are all kannadigas whatever the langauage they speak!
If belgaum has marathi speaking people and need to go to maharastra then will mumbai be part of north india as it has more hindi speaking people, what stupid logic from MH Govt? Karnataka allowed marathi people to come to belgaum they should respect the mud and culture from it rather owning it.
Re: Guru
by raj patil on Jul 20, 2010 02:09 AM
Northies are 22% of the Mum pop. Maha are 45%. Gujaratis 12%. Southies 9% Rest all are from remaining India. How does mum go to north india. and when 80% of MLAs from mum are marathis, ur point is invalid. Pls check ur facts next time.
In Belgaum city,more Marathi speaking people are staying than kannadigas.In whole district there are good number of villages speaking Marathi also.Belgaum was the part of Bombay Presidency .All the claims of Maharashtra are correct.But shrewd Maharashtrians in private prefer to be in Karnataka.Today Belgaum is third important city in Karnataka and gets attention.But if annexed to Maharshtra,it would be eihgth city in advanced Maharashtra Mumbai,Pune,Nasik,Nagpur,Aurangabad,kolhapur,Saaara.As a minority these people draw maximum facilities from Karnataka and want to retain their positio at 3,rather accepting low posaition in Maharshtra.Karnataka is not Pakistan.
Re: Belgaum Issue
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 08:53 PM
in the city marathi speakers may have relative majority, but large no. of kannada speaking villages surround it on 3 sides. marathi majority villages surrounding nippani, khanapur etc are agreed to be handed over to MH. But MH doesn't want to claim them without belgaum.
Time and again Karnataka has been at the receiving end in all disputes concerning Her land, resources like water. First it lost Kasaragod, which was unjustifiably handed over to kerala, despite being fully Kannada region.
This was done almost 50 years ago based on the report of one KM Panicker, a Malayali himself. Since then there have been no major objections by Karnataka to seek claim over Kasaragod. It shows the level of inertia in the politicians of Karnataka.
Going by this, Marathis too should maintain status quo in the border areas. Maharashtra too has got lot of Kannada-speaking areas during state reorganization. Places like Nippani are full of Kannadigas.
Re: Re: Marathis should learn from Kannadigas
by Idaho on Jul 17, 2010 09:08 PM
patil?? please dont give your half-a$$ed comments here..belgaum just like nippani is full of marathi people...Dont understand that why kannadiga guys from belgaum prefer girls from kolhapur??
Re: Re: Re: Marathis should learn from Kannadigas
by S M on Jul 17, 2010 10:34 PM
marrying a girl from Kolhapur does not mean that belgaum should be part of MH.Mr Idaho does not understand Logic because of peeople like him MH has slipped in Industrialisation, till recently bglore did not have a proper airport but all IT bigges are there,...........The argument should also hold true for nagpur and mumbai where marathi speaking people are in minority.
they should allow marathi as second official language in belgaum and kannada as second official language in neighbouring maharashtra districts this will pacify people and make politicians irrelevent.
Re: marathi kannada dispute
by raj patil on Jul 20, 2010 02:12 AM
Kannada isnt needed even in remotest bordering town of Maha. Buddy, it is not needed in many parts of Karnataka. LoL!!! What are u asking for.
Re: marathi kannada dispute
by Shrinivas Bharadwaj on Jul 18, 2010 10:29 AM
Rightly said Mr.Patil...You are the only one to have come out with a practical, well thought out approach towards solving the problem.
