I stay in Salt lakke Kolkata and I pledge under oath that a officer of this stature getting killed in an army test shooting range is not only impossible but absurd, I do not know what the "investigation" will disclose but this is just like accidentally triggering an atom bomb, the infact anybody above the rank of a lietenant cornel does not get close to the shooting area or beyond that only the majors and the captains conduct it and shooting immediately stiops when a very high ranking official visits the range. This is murder
Re: Re: I am an ex military man
by auchin pakhi on Jul 07, 2010 05:47 PM
Offcourse, I reiterate shooting immediately stops when somebody above the rank of a major general visits, and they do not come by walking barefoot, they come in their official "APO" cars and the range officer is intimated at least 15 minutes back about the itirenary and visit schedule
Re: I am an ex military man
by shivram adithya on Jul 07, 2010 05:46 PM
You have a point. But I have seen lot of top officials have passion for using fire arms and explosives irrespective of their ranks or job role.
There is a possibility that this could be an accident. Let us wait for the investigation.
Re: Re: I am an ex military man
by Argumentative Indian on Jul 07, 2010 07:26 PM
How many people have you seen, OK fine HEARD OFF, getting shot in the head, using a modern firearm? This is 2010, the guy was not fooling around with a flintlock or even a muzzle loader.
Re: Re: I am an ex military man
by auchin pakhi on Jul 07, 2010 05:54 PM
agreed I have seen numerous such cases but how the bullet hits the head?????, usually the firearm is examined with the barrel parralel to the ground or parpendicular to the ground,
Re: Re: Re: I am an ex military man
by Argumentative Indian on Jul 07, 2010 07:25 PM
Please await the investigation report, going by Indian standards, a detailed 15,000 page report will be ready by the spring of 2075.
Re: Re: Re: I am an ex military man
by christopher christopher on Jul 07, 2010 06:16 PM
In India, always wait for the investigation, wait for the report, wait for the order etc etc, by the time the seriousness will get diluted & the culprit will be shieded & all investigations get sidelined thats all. what is tightlipped ?always delay breeds corruption. our prayers are with the family.
It cannot be an accident because the naval authorities are "tight-lipped". Chances are he was murdered for some reason by one of those who were present in the firing range. The navy must atleast say whether the Admiral was shot by his own weapon, from which direction, whether at point blank range etc. The navy must also detain all present in the range at the time of murder. It is shameful for the navy to describe it as an accident.
Re: Rear Admiral Jamwal
by murarilal on Jul 07, 2010 06:08 PM
definitely a plot by vested interests from within india or outside india. FOR SURE THIS IS NOT AN ACCIDENT.
Very difficult to Understand ! How a professional of the higher stature could be the victim of the certain minor misfire either because of the hollow claim of our proficiency or the overconfidence emanated in careless steppings.
Sorry Indian Navy - Even I am an Ex Army man, and have seen many a firing range and many a firing practice - BUT - NEVER and I repeat NEVER ever is it possible that a Senior Officer can be shot just like that!!! - at every Firing range so many precautions are taken that it is hard even for a bird to be shot !!!! What do you want to tell the NATION that the NAVY is worse trained than even our indisciplined police force?(where selections are made on Political and caste considerations)
Re: FIRING RANGE?!!
by rd on Jul 07, 2010 05:44 PM
Sir, Rather surprised that an ex service man should pass judgement. Im a civilian but with a passion for weaponry. I have a fair understanding of military and civilian arms and ordinance. Trust you will concur that the armed forces today use the Nato 5.56 calibre INSAS rifles, after the 7.62 mm SLR was discontinued almost in full. This prima facie appears to be a case of unfortunate ricochet, which is a very distinct possibility given the kinetic energy of a 5.56 round.
As for our police less said the better. Most constables are equipped with 303 rifles of a vintage that their grandfathers or great grandfathers would have used in either of the world wars . I gather they fire 10 rounds a year. Says so much of our constables being in touch with their weapon, leave alone the ability to Zero their sights given the quality of ammunition that is produced and which ages in various magazines. Well worth counting how many bullets hit any of teh terrorists of teh 9/11 incident
Re: Re: FIRING RANGE?!!
by Anand sodo on Jul 07, 2010 06:37 PM
Maybe your Knowledge of the Arms is better (and Latest) as compared to mine BUT the rules that are followed are better known to me (I also know the rules that are flouted)and I can assure you 'no firing' I repeat 'no firing' can take place with such a senior officer anywhere in or even near the firing range!!! Moreover Such a senior officer is always 'covered'and NO bullet can 'RICOCHET' on to such a senior Officer - even if i have to agree with you - in that case - I must CONFESS - that the Rear Admiral was adamant on committing suicide!!!!which I cannot accept nor digest.
1. It could be a real accident 2. He could have been murdered for one or more of the following reasons: a. Personal rivalry b. He could have been about to expose a scandal in the Navy c. He could have been uniquely skilled and a foreign power would have eliminated him
On the whole, the country has lost an important trained resource, who could have been an asset in a real war.
Re: Various Possibilities?
by Sunit Kumar on Jul 07, 2010 05:30 PM
The point is if GOI really wants to expose it they can, if they dont than it wont be !!
You it is a training centre and naturally ameuters work out there. Safety norms, safe distance range etc were it followed? As a regional commander much care and protocol need to have maintained.
