This is usual US nonsense. They dont want India to attack Pak since the resultant chaos in that country will screw their operations in Afghanistan. So basically they are telling us, you continue to bleed in terrorist attacks while we use Pak to drone and bomb Taliban (and their own people too). Americans are very self centered people who will trade lakhs of Indian deaths for one chilled beer for their GI's. While they preach that we should not attack Pak they dont hesitate to instigate us against China.
Re: American propaganda
by Roopal Vaish on Dec 01, 2010 09:48 PM
It sure looks like it from the outside. But the truth is, attacking Pakistan is a dangerous option, and the GOI knows it, as does US. Unlike India or US, Pakistan is not a responsible state noted for the farsightedness of its leaders. And its army is not controlled by its political leaders. They will not think twice about using their nukes, even if it kills off their entire population. Then there are fears that even if they don't use nukes, some terrorist organization might get its hands on Pak nukes and they might use them. Having an unstable, foolish and poor neighbor is India's biggest curse.
Re: Re: American propaganda
by Sameer Bhagwat on Dec 01, 2010 10:22 PM
u r right. The only option in attacking pak is NUKE it first so that it can't stand on it legs back again.
Re: American propaganda
by A Singh on Dec 01, 2010 09:45 PM
dont you think we should be self centered too ?? they are protecting their interest. who is stopping us from following our own ??? have you heard the phrase - " there are no friends or enemy in diplomacy"...
Re: Re: American propaganda
by Pol Bol on Dec 01, 2010 10:02 PM
Strategic issues should be reasoned with a cold mind. Pak army is not crazy - they pretend to be so as to scare us. Have you ever thought, if they are so crazy why dont they give us an ultimatum, say - get out of J&K in 48 hours or we nuke you. They havent although they have had nukes for last 10 years. Reason - they are as worried about nuclear war as us and moreover the so called jihadi generals are busy drinking scotch at night. These chaps are brave and reckless only with the weak.
Re: What is the use of cold start??
by QAD Data on Dec 01, 2010 07:24 PM
Highly unlikely. USA and China both want Pakistan to continue, not only to exist but also to be their bad boy who can be used to carry out mayhem, etc.
As long as it is useful to powerful countries, Pak will remain in existence. Once the oil in the Gulf is finished, the geo politics could change. That time is at least two decades away.
Re: What is the use of cold start??
by Kaka on Dec 01, 2010 08:08 PM
It is on its last legs and it is matter of a few years before it takes its final flight from this world.
Re: Re: What is the use of cold start??
by A Singh on Dec 01, 2010 09:59 PM
total BS...u create a frankeintein and sleep with him..and shout 'save us'...its your creation for the sake of religion...and unless paki mind does not change to accept that there is huge problem on hand..u cannot save urself..ur have to move away from extremism as a national goal... and BTW - India has its own extremists..yes..but they dont go around bombing other countries, hate other communities outside of Indian space...so dont even compare..u guys have messed ur your home, plus messed the whole world...every single terror incident has paki link...now dont start blaming others...
Re: Re: What is the use of cold start??
by R Swaminathan on Dec 01, 2010 09:54 PM
Mr. Yakoob Mir Together would first demand that pak stop of dreaming of snatching kashmir from india.With a secular and democratic ethos of india we cannot allow any act which will shake the foundation of our inclusive polity. First the pakistani mind set has to change to a colloborative mood and not create hatred/disruption to india's polity or progress. Inspite of paki design india with its huge multicultural and historic tradition of allowing space for all diversities will be a superpower economically as well as in terms of parameters of progressive and free state.
Re: Re: What is the use of cold start??
by Kaka on Dec 01, 2010 09:47 PM
Yaqoot Miya, Induced? ha ha. a self created problem of your own which u people are accusing others of creating. Only cowards do that, running away from the reality after creating the monster of terrorism amd not to forget rogue terror companies like Taliban, AQ,LeT and scores of others.
Creating the monster, u have exported the same to the world.
Everywhere terror attacks have the stamp of Pakis or Paki related training. It is u guys who is responsible for your plight, encouraging religious fanatics like Hafuz Saeed and Masood Azhar, etc, providing them all sorts of help from finance to logistics and later asking them to sow seeds of troubles in not just India but the US and the West..not to forget, Russia, China as well.
Instead of pointing your dirty stained fingers at others, do well to look inside and make out the mess that u guys have created on own.
Re: Re: What is the use of cold start??
by Kaka on Dec 01, 2010 09:46 PM
Yaqoot Miya, Induced? ha ha. a self created problem of your own which u people are accusing others of creating. Only cowards do that, running away from the reality after creating the monster of terrorism amd not to forget rogue terror companies like Taliban, AQ,LeT and scores of others.
Creating the monster, u have exported the same to the world.
Everywhere terror attacks have the stamp of Pakis or Paki related training. It is u guys who is responsible for your plight, encouraging religious fanatics like Hafuz Saeed and Masood Azhar, etc, providing them all sorts of help from finance to logistics and later asking them to sow seeds of troubles in not just India but the US and the West..not to forget, Russia, China as well.
Instead of pointing your dirty stained fingers at others, do well to look inside and make out the mess that u guys have created on own.
It is silly to know the terminology Indian establishment uses;
sometime back they talked about HOT PURSUIT referring to eliminating camps in Azad Kashmir;
now, they are talking about COLD START which can never be implemented.
Now what? LUKE WARM HUG?
Indian army is thorougly demoralised with all the scams taking place by its own top brass at the expense of the soldier.
As it is the officers and soldiers are paid paltry sums in this high inflation economy; contrary to this the Pakistani army gets the best as they call the shots.
Moreover, Pakistanin army is battle hardened by fighting the Taliban in the Pashtun areas which are tough necks.
On the contraray, India is using its army for vacating people from floods, rescuing children fallen into borewells and still dont pay them or give them the respect they deserve.
SOldiers cant fight wars on empty stomachs.
The earlier the Indian army realises this the better.
I was aghast when I saw the paunch of the current IAF Chief; his belt is there to keep the falling paunch in its place.
Re: FIRST-HOT PURSUIT;NOW-COLD START-NEXT WHAT? LUKEWARM HUG?
by Puneet Mahajan on Dec 01, 2010 07:44 PM
Good one mate! Precise assessment of current state of affrirs
Re: Re: FIRST-HOT PURSUIT;NOW-COLD START-NEXT WHAT? LUKEWARM HUG?
by Kapil Sethi on Dec 01, 2010 08:27 PM
Excuse me - With the 6th pay commission the salary of defense people has grown sharply as compared to private sector. Who will talk of the untangible benefits they get? CSD, free alcohol, free housing, free rations over the salary, so many perks etc?
Maybe some sections like BSF are 2nd grade citizens, definately not Air Force & Navy. They are not fighting on empty stomach. The stomach is so full they can no longer fight.
Re: FIRST-HOT PURSUIT;NOW-COLD START-NEXT WHAT? LUKEWARM HUG?
by Kaka on Dec 01, 2010 09:52 PM
Kabeer, your assumption is all wrong, Whoever told u that Indian armed forces personnel are paid poorly or our weapon systems are of poor quality. It is far from that, on other hand it is the other way around. Our forces are well paid and well looked after despite problems which all armies have.
If u say that Pak army is a toughened force, our armed forces are ten times more than that as they also have battled tough insurgencies and came out a winner. This fact is acknowledged by even the mighty US and Russia armed personnel as well.
One thing is very clear, our leaders and top officials are concerned about their post (GADDI) Nation & National interest is secondary matter. Somehow make money, fool the nation. Our so called leaders lacks vision. Most of our leaders are above 75 yrs. After 75 yrs. age, who will have daring to face the brute? It is time pass for our leaders. Pl.do not expect any daredevil action as long as uncle SAM is around. Be relaxed.
